Comments on: Immigration and the freedom of movement http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/ Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:47:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bazman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-14035 Bazman Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:12:10 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-14035 'Today the Leader of the Conservative party has called for some controls on the number of immigrants. He is right to do so.' Great idea Dave! We can't support the world... I have made this point before and even talking in the pub there is not one person with any ideas. How do you stop fit, intelligent 18-30 year olds from more poor circumstances (phrase left out as incorrect - Ed) from coming here? How should they be found and removed? They are here illegally! Should you stop and remove them? Until anyone, never mind a politician, comes up with some firm answers to these questions they are just talking. When a non EEC citizen comes here contrary to popular belief they are entitled to little more than health care. We are civilized? They are not allowed to work and receive no money. Writing as a person with a Russian wife. To get her here I had to go through an interview with British embassy officials in Moscow showing a lot of personal documentation. Letters, bank statements, phone bills etc. After we got the visa the official told us he had a Russian wife and saw himself as a Gatekeeper. He said had interviewed sixteen year old boys telling him they are directors of large companies and 80 year old men who look like they will drop dead on the first night! As well as most in between. Bearing in mind this is already in place. Could anyone tell me how you stop Illegal immigration from places like Russia and its former states. This where most will be coming from in the near future. There is already a lot here, and are by far the fastest growing ethic group. Via my wife I can understand what they are saying at the supermarket checkouts. They are family's. How do you stop Ivan on his own...? ‘Today the Leader of the Conservative party has called for some controls on the number of immigrants. He is right to do so.’
Great idea Dave! We can’t support the world…
I have made this point before and even talking in the pub there is not one person with any ideas.
How do you stop fit, intelligent 18-30 year olds from more poor circumstances (phrase left out as incorrect - Ed) from coming here? How should they be found and removed? They are here illegally! Should you stop and remove them?
Until anyone, never mind a politician, comes up with some firm answers to these questions they are just talking.
When a non EEC citizen comes here contrary to popular belief they are entitled to little more than health care. We are civilized? They are not allowed to work and receive no money. Writing as a person with a Russian wife.
To get her here I had to go through an interview with British embassy officials in Moscow showing a lot of personal documentation. Letters, bank statements, phone bills etc. After we got the visa the official told us he had a Russian wife and saw himself as a Gatekeeper. He said had interviewed sixteen year old boys telling him they are directors of large companies and 80 year old men who look like they will drop dead on the first night! As well as most in between.
Bearing in mind this is already in place. Could anyone tell me how you stop Illegal immigration from places like Russia and its former states. This where most will be coming from in the near future. There is already a lot here, and are by far the fastest growing ethic group. Via my wife I can understand what they are saying at the supermarket checkouts. They are family’s. How do you stop Ivan on his own…?

]]> By: Ralph Musgrave http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-13823 Ralph Musgrave Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:31:38 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-13823 The above claim by Mountjoy that we need immigrants because of the substantial proportion of Brits living on benefits is a common misconception. As far as I can make out from an IPPR study "Britain's Immigrants: An Economic Profile", the proportion of native Brits of working age going out to work is 78% as against 70% for immigrants. The above claim by Mountjoy that we need immigrants because of the substantial proportion of Brits living on benefits is a common misconception. As far as I can make out from an IPPR study “Britain’s Immigrants: An Economic Profile”, the proportion of native Brits of working age going out to work is 78% as against 70% for immigrants.

]]> By: Tony Makara http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5436 Tony Makara Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:51:07 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5436 Steven_L, Indeed, it is very unhealthy that we are not allowed to question foreign cultures. Political correctness is thought control. Insidious self-censorship. I do not like the way that certain cultures regard women as second-class citizens and I don't like the violent practices that come as part of the Voodoo culture. We are a free, open and democratic society. We must speak out against negative aspects of foreign cultures. The left/liberals will try to label us as racists but we must not be deterred. If we believe in humanitarian values we must stand up against those use culture and religion to violate the rights of others. Steven_L, Indeed, it is very unhealthy that we are not allowed to question foreign cultures. Political correctness is thought control. Insidious self-censorship. I do not like the way that certain cultures regard women as second-class citizens and I don’t like the violent practices that come as part of the Voodoo culture. We are a free, open and democratic society. We must speak out against negative aspects of foreign cultures. The left/liberals will try to label us as racists but we must not be deterred. If we believe in humanitarian values we must stand up against those use culture and religion to violate the rights of others.

]]> By: Steven_L http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5433 Steven_L Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:31:31 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5433 The immigration debate, I was wondering when the Tories would venture back into this particular jungle. I can't help wondering whether it was some sort of cunning plan of Camerons, to keep cuddling huskies and hoodies until Labour was confident it could muscle in on another bit of what is seen as traditional Tory territory. Result - now that Brown has taken a public stance he can't smear the Tories as racist, but beware his grass-roots minions and mouthpieces will. Of course there has to be a limit to inward migration and population growth, it's about the only no-brainer in social politics. The biggest losers from high levels of inward migration are the poorest, often recent migrants themselves. I also think we have to ditch this idea that we are not allowed to criticise foreign cultures. In terms of the common values of mainstream British society, we are importing a lot of dodgy practices. These range from minor irritations such as Eastern Europeans who like to eat course fish and mallards to abominations from the third-world such as honour killings. Surely without a common set of values British civilisation becomes weak and fractures - hence all this talk of a broken society during these uber-liberal 'anything goes' times of ours. The immigration debate, I was wondering when the Tories would venture back into this particular jungle. I can’t help wondering whether it was some sort of cunning plan of Camerons, to keep cuddling huskies and hoodies until Labour was confident it could muscle in on another bit of what is seen as traditional Tory territory. Result - now that Brown has taken a public stance he can’t smear the Tories as racist, but beware his grass-roots minions and mouthpieces will.

Of course there has to be a limit to inward migration and population growth, it’s about the only no-brainer in social politics. The biggest losers from high levels of inward migration are the poorest, often recent migrants themselves.

I also think we have to ditch this idea that we are not allowed to criticise foreign cultures. In terms of the common values of mainstream British society, we are importing a lot of dodgy practices. These range from minor irritations such as Eastern Europeans who like to eat course fish and mallards to abominations from the third-world such as honour killings.

Surely without a common set of values British civilisation becomes weak and fractures - hence all this talk of a broken society during these uber-liberal ‘anything goes’ times of ours.

]]> By: a-tracy http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5417 a-tracy Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:49:43 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5417 " Ken Livingstone has gone partially in the direction of a discount for regular tube users - more likely to be citizens - and higher prices for occasional users - more likely to be tourists through his Tube card " Yes, but there is a downside to this attitude to occassional visitors and that is we'll stop coming! We only visit London once per year to take our children to the museums and theatres which are inconveniently all sited in the one location in the UK which is the most expensive to enjoy. We get charged to park our vehicle ” Ken Livingstone has gone partially in the direction of a discount for regular tube users - more likely to be citizens - and higher prices for occasional users - more likely to be tourists through his Tube card ”

Yes, but there is a downside to this attitude to occassional visitors and that is we’ll stop coming! We only visit London once per year to take our children to the museums and theatres which are inconveniently all sited in the one location in the UK which is the most expensive to enjoy. We get charged to park our vehicle

]]> By: Mountjoy http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5413 Mountjoy Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:47:01 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5413 Another aspect is that Labour's tax and benefits system has disincentivised local people (whether white British, or from families that came to the UK as immigrants in the past) from taking jobs because they believe they are better off on benefits. To meet these apparent labour market shortages, employers have been forced to recruit people from Eastern Europe (such as Latvia) and elsewhere in the world. The Government really does need to make work pay - and tax cuts (or fairer Tax Credits) for people on low incomes would perhaps be a good start. Another aspect is that Labour’s tax and benefits system has disincentivised local people (whether white British, or from families that came to the UK as immigrants in the past) from taking jobs because they believe they are better off on benefits. To meet these apparent labour market shortages, employers have been forced to recruit people from Eastern Europe (such as Latvia) and elsewhere in the world. The Government really does need to make work pay - and tax cuts (or fairer Tax Credits) for people on low incomes would perhaps be a good start.

]]> By: Tony Makara http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5409 Tony Makara Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:48:01 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/08/30/immigration-and-the-freedom-of-movement/#comment-5409 Immigration needs to be about quality rather than quantity. We must stop people coming into our country who lack skills, who have a criminal record and who don't speak English. As John correctly says it suits Labour's agenda to have mass imigration. Over the last ten years two and ahalf million immigrants have entered our country. That is equal to half the population of Scotland. This is not acceptable, particularly at a time when we can't find work for the 5.4 million jobless in Britain. When an immigrant comes into Britain he/she either works or is on benefit. If he/she is working than means one of our own unemployed lose out on getting that job. If they are on benefit that means the taxpayer has to support them. Both ways we, as a nation, lose out. I'd like to see immigration linked to unemployment figures, when unemployment is high, and 5.4 million is very high, then we should impose severe quotas on the number of immigrants who can enter. Immigration needs to be about quality rather than quantity. We must stop people coming into our country who lack skills, who have a criminal record and who don’t speak English. As John correctly says it suits Labour’s agenda to have mass imigration. Over the last ten years two and ahalf million immigrants have entered our country. That is equal to half the population of Scotland. This is not acceptable, particularly at a time when we can’t find work for the 5.4 million jobless in Britain. When an immigrant comes into Britain he/she either works or is on benefit. If he/she is working than means one of our own unemployed lose out on getting that job. If they are on benefit that means the taxpayer has to support them. Both ways we, as a nation, lose out. I’d like to see immigration linked to unemployment figures, when unemployment is high, and 5.4 million is very high, then we should impose severe quotas on the number of immigrants who can enter.

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