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	<description>Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-22585</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worry with Darwinism as a guiding philosophy, we will see either human rights extended to animals or animal rights extended to humanity. Either way i cant support it.
We should concentrate on our differences as well.

On climate change the debate may be settled at the IPCC but i am not sure if it was ever open in the first place.

Politics is more stagecraft than science, they refer to themselves as actors on the stage not scientists in the lab</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worry with Darwinism as a guiding philosophy, we will see either human rights extended to animals or animal rights extended to humanity. Either way i cant support it.<br />
We should concentrate on our differences as well.</p>
<p>On climate change the debate may be settled at the IPCC but i am not sure if it was ever open in the first place.</p>
<p>Politics is more stagecraft than science, they refer to themselves as actors on the stage not scientists in the lab</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10760</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Redwood, MP for Wokingham, a town i am well versed with and frequented before you ever became their MP,  Mr. Congdon was shitting his pants on news night, can you please have the decency to advise what his vested interest is in Northern Rock? 

You would do your supporters and constituents more justice by attacking the reckless policy of Gordon Brown when he was chancellor for fueling unsustainable house price inflation and making our country to most indebted country on earth through the credit binge with recklessly low interest rates and high public borrowing, fueling a credit frenzy which will all end in tears for us all for decades to come?

Why do the conservatives not highlight this madness? One can only assume that David Camarons fine party have mewed and brought numerous BTL properties and are also afraid that if the Titanic (UKPLC) hits the iceberg soon, then they have much to lose?

The British banking system is insolvent and Britain is a lost power, in the next few years with peak oil and Gas upon us, the old empire would have truly sailed into the sunset for the very last time, never to return again, i just hope that a tory government does not have to control the unruly masses, and that it happens on Crash Gordon's watch.

Psmith67@gmail.com


Reply: If you read previous pieces on this site you will see I have frequently criticised the former Chancellor for keeping interest rates too low and going on a public sector borrowing binge in recent years. I have commented on Mr Congdon's shareholding in Northern Rock, which he should have mentioned on TV. I leaned of that after posting my first blog comment on the Newsnight exchanges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Redwood, MP for Wokingham, a town i am well versed with and frequented before you ever became their MP,  Mr. Congdon was shitting his pants on news night, can you please have the decency to advise what his vested interest is in Northern Rock? </p>
<p>You would do your supporters and constituents more justice by attacking the reckless policy of Gordon Brown when he was chancellor for fueling unsustainable house price inflation and making our country to most indebted country on earth through the credit binge with recklessly low interest rates and high public borrowing, fueling a credit frenzy which will all end in tears for us all for decades to come?</p>
<p>Why do the conservatives not highlight this madness? One can only assume that David Camarons fine party have mewed and brought numerous BTL properties and are also afraid that if the Titanic (UKPLC) hits the iceberg soon, then they have much to lose?</p>
<p>The British banking system is insolvent and Britain is a lost power, in the next few years with peak oil and Gas upon us, the old empire would have truly sailed into the sunset for the very last time, never to return again, i just hope that a tory government does not have to control the unruly masses, and that it happens on Crash Gordon&#8217;s watch.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:Psmith67@gmail.com">Psmith67@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Reply: If you read previous pieces on this site you will see I have frequently criticised the former Chancellor for keeping interest rates too low and going on a public sector borrowing binge in recent years. I have commented on Mr Congdon&#8217;s shareholding in Northern Rock, which he should have mentioned on TV. I leaned of that after posting my first blog comment on the Newsnight exchanges.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Windisch</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10287</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Windisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points on science. 

They dont research either supporting climate change or against it. The research is to learn more about whats happening. 

Mankind and Monkeys have a common ancestor, were not descended from monkeys. 

Im sorry Bobo died, but the idea of the UK or the USA being focused on solar power is laughable. We're focused on fossil fuel, and should be going to renewables. I think solar hot water is now cheap enough to be viable for homes even in Brtain, Solar Photo Voltaics is still quite expensive. Are you sure Bobo died from water intoxication, apparently that occurs when people dont urinate enough. Seems an odd way for a dog to die. See www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points on science. </p>
<p>They dont research either supporting climate change or against it. The research is to learn more about whats happening. </p>
<p>Mankind and Monkeys have a common ancestor, were not descended from monkeys. </p>
<p>Im sorry Bobo died, but the idea of the UK or the USA being focused on solar power is laughable. We&#8217;re focused on fossil fuel, and should be going to renewables. I think solar hot water is now cheap enough to be viable for homes even in Brtain, Solar Photo Voltaics is still quite expensive. Are you sure Bobo died from water intoxication, apparently that occurs when people dont urinate enough. Seems an odd way for a dog to die. See <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10133</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Redwood, on evolution please don't fall crashing into the argument from disbelief.  Your final para on evolution leaves out the crucial word: yet. Science hasn't yet worked out how life spontaneously arose from  inanimate precursors, just as in 1857 it hadn't (yet) worked out the theory of evolution by natural selection (although the work was there in Darwin's note books).   In the 1600s, a lot hadn't (yet) been observed, hypotheses suggested nor data analysed, but elements were still radioactive and DNA still made us and made us what we are.

there is no 'magic' in life, science just hasn't got all the causes and all the answers: yet.  But I'd keep an eye on Craig Venter's work in the next few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Redwood, on evolution please don&#8217;t fall crashing into the argument from disbelief.  Your final para on evolution leaves out the crucial word: yet. Science hasn&#8217;t yet worked out how life spontaneously arose from  inanimate precursors, just as in 1857 it hadn&#8217;t (yet) worked out the theory of evolution by natural selection (although the work was there in Darwin&#8217;s note books).   In the 1600s, a lot hadn&#8217;t (yet) been observed, hypotheses suggested nor data analysed, but elements were still radioactive and DNA still made us and made us what we are.</p>
<p>there is no &#8216;magic&#8217; in life, science just hasn&#8217;t got all the causes and all the answers: yet.  But I&#8217;d keep an eye on Craig Venter&#8217;s work in the next few months.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10110</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 22:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1970's The Greens were the nutters, but now the ones who don't belive are. Who apart from George cannot be against energy conservation. Less than </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1970&#8217;s The Greens were the nutters, but now the ones who don&#8217;t belive are. Who apart from George cannot be against energy conservation. Less than</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany Montano</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10098</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany Montano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived off solar energy for over seven years now.  I wrote Exposed; the Solar Energy Con which is available at Amazon.com.  This is written from a woman's perspective and is an accurate representation of what it is like to live off the utility grid.  My point is that if you can read it and still support solar you need your head examined.

The country is so focused on solar energy that any one who doesn't support turning the world into a solar array is an anarchist.  I fear that by the time our country wakes up it will be too late.

http://www.rockinblues.com/House/solarenergy.htm

On June 26th 2006 my dog BooBoo died from water intoxication because living on solar energy I was unable to keep him cool.  When I began to crunch the numbers I documented the fraud that the environmentalists have perpetrated on the American public.  I challenge you to read the information I have put together for you.  After you read this, make up your mind for yourself and I urge you to write your legislators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived off solar energy for over seven years now.  I wrote Exposed; the Solar Energy Con which is available at Amazon.com.  This is written from a woman&#8217;s perspective and is an accurate representation of what it is like to live off the utility grid.  My point is that if you can read it and still support solar you need your head examined.</p>
<p>The country is so focused on solar energy that any one who doesn&#8217;t support turning the world into a solar array is an anarchist.  I fear that by the time our country wakes up it will be too late.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rockinblues.com/House/solarenergy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockinblues.com/House/solarenergy.htm</a></p>
<p>On June 26th 2006 my dog BooBoo died from water intoxication because living on solar energy I was unable to keep him cool.  When I began to crunch the numbers I documented the fraud that the environmentalists have perpetrated on the American public.  I challenge you to read the information I have put together for you.  After you read this, make up your mind for yourself and I urge you to write your legislators.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10067</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I studied physics at university and I find the direction that science is moving in very worrying. Our university science departments are continually declining as students choose less rigorous courses. This will lead to ever more people the government can 'blind with science'. 

Scientists are very keen to apply their favourite 'double blind' testing to anything they disagree with. However, this certainly doesn't apply to their own consensus conclusion forming.

Take the consensus on climate change and use the analogy that it's a defendant in a criminal court case. This means the case will have been brought because a majority of police believe it's guilty. Peer review would mean a jury of police, rather than lay people, would decide if the case was made or not. We would not allow this sort of travesty in our legal system, but many people seem perfectly happy that it's increasingly the set-up for science. 

Given the cases of Prof Roy Meadow and Dr David Southall, I think there's a good argument that the theories and opinions of doctors and scientists should be treated with a great deal more scepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied physics at university and I find the direction that science is moving in very worrying. Our university science departments are continually declining as students choose less rigorous courses. This will lead to ever more people the government can &#8216;blind with science&#8217;. </p>
<p>Scientists are very keen to apply their favourite &#8216;double blind&#8217; testing to anything they disagree with. However, this certainly doesn&#8217;t apply to their own consensus conclusion forming.</p>
<p>Take the consensus on climate change and use the analogy that it&#8217;s a defendant in a criminal court case. This means the case will have been brought because a majority of police believe it&#8217;s guilty. Peer review would mean a jury of police, rather than lay people, would decide if the case was made or not. We would not allow this sort of travesty in our legal system, but many people seem perfectly happy that it&#8217;s increasingly the set-up for science. </p>
<p>Given the cases of Prof Roy Meadow and Dr David Southall, I think there&#8217;s a good argument that the theories and opinions of doctors and scientists should be treated with a great deal more scepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven_L</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10062</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven_L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know, is if the scientific study on intelligence is racist, does this mean the government backed 'Equalities Review' is also racist by the same definition.

The race relations industry play exactly the same game.  They carve the population up into racial groups and study their achievements in education and the workplace.  Except the try to explain differences with political theories, not scientific ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know, is if the scientific study on intelligence is racist, does this mean the government backed &#8216;Equalities Review&#8217; is also racist by the same definition.</p>
<p>The race relations industry play exactly the same game.  They carve the population up into racial groups and study their achievements in education and the workplace.  Except the try to explain differences with political theories, not scientific ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Makara</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10052</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Makara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The major problem with science is that it can only quantify what can be measured empirically. So scientists attempt to cover any discrepancies with conjecture. Much of the argument about climate change rests on such conjecture. Much like the ancient debates about the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin, or the theories of Einstein and Freud, the question of climate change is not one that cannot be proven one way or the other.

On the subject of inoculation I did not have my son inoculated against whooping cough when he was recommended for inoculation as an infant. At the time there were several scare stories about inoculation and the danger of brain damage and I aired on the side of caution. At the age of eleven my son caught whooping cough and had to spend five months off school, unfortunately this coincided with his SATs. My son went through a very traumatic illness which included waking several times each night and retching violently. Fortunately my son made a full recovery, was able to catch up on his studies and is now at university. However it was nontheless a very traumatic period in our lives which I wouldn't want anyone else to experience. So the question of inoculation is one that certainly needs to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The major problem with science is that it can only quantify what can be measured empirically. So scientists attempt to cover any discrepancies with conjecture. Much of the argument about climate change rests on such conjecture. Much like the ancient debates about the number of angels that could dance on the head of a pin, or the theories of Einstein and Freud, the question of climate change is not one that cannot be proven one way or the other.</p>
<p>On the subject of inoculation I did not have my son inoculated against whooping cough when he was recommended for inoculation as an infant. At the time there were several scare stories about inoculation and the danger of brain damage and I aired on the side of caution. At the age of eleven my son caught whooping cough and had to spend five months off school, unfortunately this coincided with his SATs. My son went through a very traumatic illness which included waking several times each night and retching violently. Fortunately my son made a full recovery, was able to catch up on his studies and is now at university. However it was nontheless a very traumatic period in our lives which I wouldn&#8217;t want anyone else to experience. So the question of inoculation is one that certainly needs to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tomkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/10/28/politically-correct-and-intolerant-science/#comment-10047</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Tomkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have put your finger on the problem when you write "Today it is worrying that those in government and the establishment who claim to believe most strongly in science often now seem to be intolerant of sceptical discussion, questioning or alternative theories themselves." The people to whom you refer, particularly politicians, have hijacked "science" to promote their own agendas and will brook no opposition. Time and again government ministers use the word "science" as a shorthand way of saying therefore there can be no opposition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have put your finger on the problem when you write &#8220;Today it is worrying that those in government and the establishment who claim to believe most strongly in science often now seem to be intolerant of sceptical discussion, questioning or alternative theories themselves.&#8221; The people to whom you refer, particularly politicians, have hijacked &#8220;science&#8221; to promote their own agendas and will brook no opposition. Time and again government ministers use the word &#8220;science&#8221; as a shorthand way of saying therefore there can be no opposition</p>
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