Comments on: Bali idiocy. Mud slinging will not stop the carbon. http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/ Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:17:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: apl http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15170 apl Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:14:32 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15170 Bazman: Bazman:

]]> By: schober http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15073 schober Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:53:31 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15073 interesting to note that the un wont tolerate non believers http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20071213.DC09846&show_article=1 Skeptical Scientists Kicked Off UN Press Schedule in Bali ... Again Dec 13 08:09 AM US/Eastern Lone Voice of Dissent Censored by United Nations CHICAGO, Dec. 13 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- For the second time this week, the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) was kicked off the press schedule for the United Nations' climate conference in Bali, Indonesia..................more rather like the eu turning the cameras off in the eu parliament when the sceptics protested about the lack of referenda on the "lisbon treaty"/constitution ??? is there a conection i wonder interesting to note that the un wont tolerate non believers
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20071213.DC09846&show_article=1
Skeptical Scientists Kicked Off UN Press Schedule in Bali … Again
Dec 13 08:09 AM US/Eastern
Lone Voice of Dissent Censored by United Nations
CHICAGO, Dec. 13 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — For the second time this week, the International Climate Science Coalition (ICSC) was kicked off the press schedule for the United Nations’ climate conference in Bali, Indonesia………………more

rather like the eu turning the cameras off in the eu parliament when the sceptics protested about the lack of referenda on the “lisbon treaty”/constitution ??? is there a conection i wonder

]]> By: Mike H http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15070 Mike H Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:38:47 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15070 JR - "They do not yet control every pensioner's thermostat and every family's oven. Until they do so they cannot guarantee to deliver a given figure by a given date". This government, ably assisted by the EU, already seeks to interfere and control wherever it can. I wonder how long it will be before there's an EU proposal for 'the harmonisation of the domestic environment' that requires that the control of room and oven temperature be externally regulated by an appropriate and competent authority to be established in each member state? Best keep such suggestions to yourself, John, lest the Euro-wonks in Brussels are listening. JR - “They do not yet control every pensioner’s thermostat and every family’s oven. Until they do so they cannot guarantee to deliver a given figure by a given date”.

This government, ably assisted by the EU, already seeks to interfere and control wherever it can. I wonder how long it will be before there’s an EU proposal for ‘the harmonisation of the domestic environment’ that requires that the control of room and oven temperature be externally regulated by an appropriate and competent authority to be established in each member state?

Best keep such suggestions to yourself, John, lest the Euro-wonks in Brussels are listening.

]]> By: Bazman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15069 Bazman Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:47:43 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15069 This all sounds like the banning of the pint. Or the massive cost of changing all pint glasses to show a line. The medical reasons are false. Modern bulbs do not flicker. I take it you would like all tungsten bulbs to be plastic coated as they often shatter, and have an electrician change them. It is true they do contain mercury and cost more energy/money to produce, but the total energy and cost saving is much more than a traditional tungsten bulb and is set to get greater. In the future LED (Light Emitting Diodes) May provide the solution and might require their own small and separate power supply from the grid. Like broadband is now. Progress ain't easy. This is a serious and real way to save electricity and money. Not to mention the environment at this moment in time. Easy too! This all sounds like the banning of the pint. Or the massive cost of changing all pint glasses to show a line. The medical reasons are false. Modern bulbs do not flicker. I take it you would like all tungsten bulbs to be plastic coated as they often shatter, and have an electrician change them.
It is true they do contain mercury and cost more energy/money to produce, but the total energy and cost saving is much more than a traditional tungsten bulb and is set to get greater.
In the future LED (Light Emitting Diodes) May provide the solution and might require their own small and separate power supply from the grid. Like broadband is now. Progress ain’t easy.
This is a serious and real way to save electricity and money. Not to mention the environment at this moment in time. Easy too!

]]> By: APL http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15060 APL Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:14:07 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15060 Bazman: "Banning the incandescent light bulb would be a start." Flourescent lights are implicated with migrane fits and seizures. In actual fact they are dangeous. In any case, incandescent bulbs wil be banned, because the new aristocracy in Brussels are already on the bandwagon: http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/07/867&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en What this implies is that every fitting in every house in the country is going to have to be changed at ridiculous expence because of an unsubstantiated claim - the impact on the environment. By the way, just recently, they have banned instruments that include mercury, on grounds of health and safety. Never once had the urge to eat a thermometer - but you never know, better safe than sorry. What they don't tell you, or are too stupid to know themselves, is that flourescent lighting includes significant amounts of mercury in the manufacturing process. Eurocrats, bless. Bazman: “Banning the incandescent light bulb would be a start.”

Flourescent lights are implicated with migrane fits and seizures. In actual fact they are dangeous.

In any case, incandescent bulbs wil be banned, because the new aristocracy in Brussels are already on the bandwagon:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/07/867&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

What this implies is that every fitting in every house in the country is going to have to be changed at ridiculous expence because of an unsubstantiated claim - the impact on the environment.

By the way, just recently, they have banned instruments that include mercury, on grounds of health and safety. Never once had the urge to eat a thermometer - but you never know, better safe than sorry.

What they don’t tell you, or are too stupid to know themselves, is that flourescent lighting includes significant amounts of mercury in the manufacturing process.

Eurocrats, bless.

]]> By: schober http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15058 schober Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:04:27 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15058 1) the idea the earthis warming is only a hypothesis 2) that co2 is responsible os also a hypothesis both are based on poor evidence and there is a surprising ammount of contrary evidence a perusal of the links ofn this page should give some pause for thought http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050 even the data is wrong only 13% of us climate stations pass muster; the remaining 87% read too high!!! http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/ushcn-national-weather-station-quality-plot/ http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/ to base economic policy on two doubtful hypothese which use bad data is the height of madness!!! 1) the idea the earthis warming is only a hypothesis
2) that co2 is responsible os also a hypothesis

both are based on poor evidence and there is a surprising ammount of contrary evidence
a perusal of the links ofn this page should give some pause for thought
http://z4.invisionfree.com/Popular_Technology/index.php?showtopic=2050
even the data is wrong only 13% of us climate stations pass muster; the remaining 87% read too high!!!
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/ushcn-national-weather-station-quality-plot/
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/

to base economic policy on two doubtful hypothese which use bad data is the height of madness!!!

]]> By: Bazman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15054 Bazman Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:10:46 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15054 Banning the incandescent light bulb would be a start. http://www.banthebulb.org/?gclid=COjX5er3p5ACFQ7UlAodhioFHA http://www.banthebulb.co.uk/ There is no excuse now for using the old fashioned ones as there is so many types of fluorescent ones available. If you are not willing to do this, then what will you do? You will not pay more for electricity and will not save any. Technology might improve but you won't like that light source either! The progress of lighting is a mark of progress by man in a way. Banning the incandescent light bulb would be a start.

http://www.banthebulb.org/?gclid=COjX5er3p5ACFQ7UlAodhioFHA

http://www.banthebulb.co.uk/

There is no excuse now for using the old fashioned ones as there is so many types of fluorescent ones available.
If you are not willing to do this, then what will you do? You will not pay more for electricity and will not save any. Technology might improve but you won’t like that light source either!
The progress of lighting is a mark of progress by man in a way.

]]> By: Neil Craig http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15052 Neil Craig Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:01:14 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15052 Saw the BBC news last night. They said, as a statement of fact, that "global warming is happening". Since it is a matter of fact that temperatures have declined since 1998 & this year is set to be lower again that statement is simply untrue. It is bad enough for the BBC to show a bias in how they report facts but deliberate censorship & lying is beyond the pale, yet is clearly the standard at which the BBC aim. Saw the BBC news last night. They said, as a statement of fact, that “global warming is happening”.
Since it is a matter of fact that temperatures have declined since 1998 & this year is set to be lower again that statement is simply untrue.

It is bad enough for the BBC to show a bias in how they report facts but deliberate censorship & lying is beyond the pale, yet is clearly the standard at which the BBC aim.

]]> By: Roger Thornhill http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15041 Roger Thornhill Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:41:08 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15041 I am against any form of extra-territorial system with compulsory fines and targets. The EU "landfill tax" is an example of this. BTW, I do *NOT* consider the EU as part of our territory - it is a foreign entity. I am against any form of extra-territorial system with compulsory fines and targets. The EU “landfill tax” is an example of this. BTW, I do *NOT* consider the EU as part of our territory - it is a foreign entity.

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15035 Letters From A Tory Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:51:15 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15035 The EU has to take the lead on this. There is no point politely asking the USA and China to jump on the climate change bandwagon - you have to get them incentives to do so and introduce enormous disincentives for them not doing so. http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/attempts-to-address-climate-change-stutter-as-usual/ The EU has to take the lead on this. There is no point politely asking the USA and China to jump on the climate change bandwagon - you have to get them incentives to do so and introduce enormous disincentives for them not doing so.

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/attempts-to-address-climate-change-stutter-as-usual/

]]> By: Stuart Fairney http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15033 Stuart Fairney Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:41:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2007/12/14/bali-idiocy-mud-slinging-will-not-stop-the-carbon/#comment-15033 Al Gore - Over-indulged loser, why on earth does anyone take him seriously? Al Gore - Over-indulged loser, why on earth does anyone take him seriously?

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