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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/02/are-all-mortgages-now-wicked/#comment-18767</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 09:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said APL, let the BBC stand or fall on voluntary subscription.  I&#039;m really not happy being forced to pay for the &quot;genius&quot; of Chris Moyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said APL, let the BBC stand or fall on voluntary subscription.  I&#8217;m really not happy being forced to pay for the &#8220;genius&#8221; of Chris Moyles.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew  Reynolds</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew  Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I never tire of saying moving back to RPI-x as the official inflation target and giving the MPC five years to slash that inflation measure to 2% ( or they all get replaced ) would wring inflation out of the system . The rising interest rates lately are a free market response to the banks wanting money to meet their obligations  &amp; so they need a bigger return on debt and/or to lend less as a result . The Americans are trying to streamline their financial regulation to prevent the sub-prime tradegy happening again - why can we not do the same to prevent another Northern Rock style fiasco ? The FSA should be abolished &amp; its powers given to the Bank of England . Our Central Bank should in the longer term have more independence &amp; a fixed 2% RPI-x inflation target ( a two year one ) . Inflation threatens economic stability &amp; if we want a sound economy it must be beaten off . Equally run-away public spending &amp; a rising PSBR are unsustainable . If the Irish can grow public spending by less than their average GDP growth while having healthy public finances why can&#039;t Britain ? A smaller state , a falling PSBR &amp; low inflation are the keys to lower unemployment &amp; the lasting tax cuts and growth . With Â£123 billion a year wasted on QUANGO&#039;s there must be the scope to cut the public sector &amp; reduce public borrowing ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I never tire of saying moving back to RPI-x as the official inflation target and giving the MPC five years to slash that inflation measure to 2% ( or they all get replaced ) would wring inflation out of the system . The rising interest rates lately are a free market response to the banks wanting money to meet their obligations  &amp; so they need a bigger return on debt and/or to lend less as a result . The Americans are trying to streamline their financial regulation to prevent the sub-prime tradegy happening again &#8211; why can we not do the same to prevent another Northern Rock style fiasco ? The FSA should be abolished &amp; its powers given to the Bank of England . Our Central Bank should in the longer term have more independence &amp; a fixed 2% RPI-x inflation target ( a two year one ) . Inflation threatens economic stability &amp; if we want a sound economy it must be beaten off . Equally run-away public spending &amp; a rising PSBR are unsustainable . If the Irish can grow public spending by less than their average GDP growth while having healthy public finances why can&#8217;t Britain ? A smaller state , a falling PSBR &amp; low inflation are the keys to lower unemployment &amp; the lasting tax cuts and growth . With Â£123 billion a year wasted on QUANGO&#8217;s there must be the scope to cut the public sector &amp; reduce public borrowing ?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Koder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Koder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may interested to know that a market in interest rate insurance has opened up following a clarification of the tax and regulatory rules in the recent Budget. The first products are expected to be available from next month. They will insure the policyholder against rises in their mortgage repayments, effectively the same as a capped mortgage but without the need to remortgage. One sensible decision that the Treasury did actually get round to taking (after much lobbying).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may interested to know that a market in interest rate insurance has opened up following a clarification of the tax and regulatory rules in the recent Budget. The first products are expected to be available from next month. They will insure the policyholder against rises in their mortgage repayments, effectively the same as a capped mortgage but without the need to remortgage. One sensible decision that the Treasury did actually get round to taking (after much lobbying).</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis Irvine: &quot;Regarding your last paragraph - the rising generation donâ€™t own houses. Therefore they want a house price crash.&quot;

Who knows? The Tories might do something sensible like abolishing inheritance tax. It&#039;s a Labour tax anyway originally intended to destroy the aristocracy, it has done that, now it is being turned on the middle class.

Francis Irvine: &quot;Meanwhile, letâ€™s stop it happening again by preventing crazy mortagages. And by building lots of new houses.&quot;

I believe the indigenious population is due to peak around now, and the result is that the population of the UK would go into a natural relitatively gentle decline - if we didn&#039;t have unfettered immigration. In future there would be a housing glut, which naturally would bring the price of houses down.

*OFF TOPIC*
By the way, I was very heartened to hear the tory policy on the BBC, I am in the 11% who think the policy doesn&#039;t go further enough, why can&#039;t you abolish the BBC licence fee and have the BBC stand on its own two feet like SKY by voluntary subscription?Quite possible using digital TV and smart cards, the BBC keeps telling us how wonderful it, it ought to be quite sanguine about the idea of a subscription based audience.

But at least it is a step in the right policy direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis Irvine: &#8220;Regarding your last paragraph &#8211; the rising generation donâ€™t own houses. Therefore they want a house price crash.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who knows? The Tories might do something sensible like abolishing inheritance tax. It&#8217;s a Labour tax anyway originally intended to destroy the aristocracy, it has done that, now it is being turned on the middle class.</p>
<p>Francis Irvine: &#8220;Meanwhile, letâ€™s stop it happening again by preventing crazy mortagages. And by building lots of new houses.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the indigenious population is due to peak around now, and the result is that the population of the UK would go into a natural relitatively gentle decline &#8211; if we didn&#8217;t have unfettered immigration. In future there would be a housing glut, which naturally would bring the price of houses down.</p>
<p>*OFF TOPIC*<br />
By the way, I was very heartened to hear the tory policy on the BBC, I am in the 11% who think the policy doesn&#8217;t go further enough, why can&#8217;t you abolish the BBC licence fee and have the BBC stand on its own two feet like SKY by voluntary subscription?Quite possible using digital TV and smart cards, the BBC keeps telling us how wonderful it, it ought to be quite sanguine about the idea of a subscription based audience.</p>
<p>But at least it is a step in the right policy direction.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with using Northern Rock as the lender to  &#039;key workers&#039; or those on low incomes, with affordable rates of interest. Use it as a tool for helping those who cannot obtain  100% mortgages or afford the ever increasing intest rates charged by the big banks and building societies.I certainly would have no objection to helping the rising generation get on the housing ladder in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with using Northern Rock as the lender to  &#8216;key workers&#8217; or those on low incomes, with affordable rates of interest. Use it as a tool for helping those who cannot obtain  100% mortgages or afford the ever increasing intest rates charged by the big banks and building societies.I certainly would have no objection to helping the rising generation get on the housing ladder in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly think a good many commentators remember fondly the days when mortgages werenâ€™t widely available and people had to go â€œcap in handâ€ for a council house.  This reminds me of Trotsky when he observed. &#039;&#039;The old principle, &#039;Who does not work shall not eat,&#039; has been replaced by a new one: &#039;Who does not obey shall not eat.&#039; &#039;&#039; 

Delete food for accommodation and you start to see the agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly think a good many commentators remember fondly the days when mortgages werenâ€™t widely available and people had to go â€œcap in handâ€ for a council house.  This reminds me of Trotsky when he observed. &#8221;The old principle, &#8216;Who does not work shall not eat,&#8217; has been replaced by a new one: &#8216;Who does not obey shall not eat.&#8217; &#8221; </p>
<p>Delete food for accommodation and you start to see the agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Irving</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Average loan-to-salary ratios have shot up from about 2.5 times salary in the last few decades, to 3.5 times salary in the noughties (roughly, from CML figures). As a result house prices have gone up way beyond increase in cost due to lack of physical property.

The consequence of what John is saying seems to be that young people buying houses should borrow many many times their salary. They should take a huge risk, so if they lose their job or interest rates soar up, they can no longer afford their house and it has to be repossessed.

And everyone has to do this - even if you are risk averse, you have no choice, as house prices have increased now *assuming* people are borrowing crazy, unaffordable, risky amounts.

It&#039;s not puritanism saying people shouldn&#039;t be forced to borrow excessive amounts, it&#039;s just sensible financial management. You&#039;re basically asking everyone to gamble that the economy will never go wrong, which is crazy. And you&#039;re asking them to do it for no reason - as no more people can buy houses when mortgages are permissive, since that very permission increases prices making houses unaffordable.

Regarding your last paragraph - the rising generation don&#039;t own houses. Therefore they want a house price crash. And it&#039;s Labour&#039;s boom-and-bust housing policies which, tragically for many, are going to give them it.

Meanwhile, let&#039;s stop it happening again by preventing crazy mortagages. And by building lots of new houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Average loan-to-salary ratios have shot up from about 2.5 times salary in the last few decades, to 3.5 times salary in the noughties (roughly, from CML figures). As a result house prices have gone up way beyond increase in cost due to lack of physical property.</p>
<p>The consequence of what John is saying seems to be that young people buying houses should borrow many many times their salary. They should take a huge risk, so if they lose their job or interest rates soar up, they can no longer afford their house and it has to be repossessed.</p>
<p>And everyone has to do this &#8211; even if you are risk averse, you have no choice, as house prices have increased now *assuming* people are borrowing crazy, unaffordable, risky amounts.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not puritanism saying people shouldn&#8217;t be forced to borrow excessive amounts, it&#8217;s just sensible financial management. You&#8217;re basically asking everyone to gamble that the economy will never go wrong, which is crazy. And you&#8217;re asking them to do it for no reason &#8211; as no more people can buy houses when mortgages are permissive, since that very permission increases prices making houses unaffordable.</p>
<p>Regarding your last paragraph &#8211; the rising generation don&#8217;t own houses. Therefore they want a house price crash. And it&#8217;s Labour&#8217;s boom-and-bust housing policies which, tragically for many, are going to give them it.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, let&#8217;s stop it happening again by preventing crazy mortagages. And by building lots of new houses.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This self satisfied and complacent government has just two reactions to its own mismanagement.
With education, pensions, the Lisbon Treaty and inflation, it just fiddles the figures and hopes nobody is going to notice.
With the Northern Rock fiasco and mortgages and public transport and drinking in the street and (misconduct by Labour individuals-ed) or clearing out the House of Lords to make room for more useless politicians, it sneers.
Mortgages are moving from not being noticed to being sneered at.
And as ever (prisons? railways?) nothing will be attempted at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This self satisfied and complacent government has just two reactions to its own mismanagement.<br />
With education, pensions, the Lisbon Treaty and inflation, it just fiddles the figures and hopes nobody is going to notice.<br />
With the Northern Rock fiasco and mortgages and public transport and drinking in the street and (misconduct by Labour individuals-ed) or clearing out the House of Lords to make room for more useless politicians, it sneers.<br />
Mortgages are moving from not being noticed to being sneered at.<br />
And as ever (prisons? railways?) nothing will be attempted at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Builders should be allowed to build more homes. This would depress prices but that is not intrinsicly a bad thing.

Most of the cost of housing is because of the regulations preventing building, or making it more expensive. It is a monopolistic price not a cost based one. All the lending institutions have known this for years &amp; profited thereby so I have little sympathy for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Builders should be allowed to build more homes. This would depress prices but that is not intrinsicly a bad thing.</p>
<p>Most of the cost of housing is because of the regulations preventing building, or making it more expensive. It is a monopolistic price not a cost based one. All the lending institutions have known this for years &amp; profited thereby so I have little sympathy for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Makara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Makara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 10:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the Bank of England had to set lower rates in the run up to the 2005 election than if they had kept the old target, and did mean more credit was extended&quot;

Absolutely true, once again a case of the Labour government putting its own political interests ahead of the economic health of the nation. I resent the way the government has also consciously encouraged people to get into debt through cheap credit in order to fuel consumer spending and make it appear that we have a healthy economy. It has all been an obscene confidence trick played on the people of our country. At the last election Labour&#039;s much repeated mantra at every interview was &quot;The economy is good&quot;, during the next election the Conservative party should return the serve with the slogan &quot;The economy is bad&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the Bank of England had to set lower rates in the run up to the 2005 election than if they had kept the old target, and did mean more credit was extended&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely true, once again a case of the Labour government putting its own political interests ahead of the economic health of the nation. I resent the way the government has also consciously encouraged people to get into debt through cheap credit in order to fuel consumer spending and make it appear that we have a healthy economy. It has all been an obscene confidence trick played on the people of our country. At the last election Labour&#8217;s much repeated mantra at every interview was &#8220;The economy is good&#8221;, during the next election the Conservative party should return the serve with the slogan &#8220;The economy is bad&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tim holden</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim holden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire Blair period was characterised by easily available credit. That credit was not cheap, and banks profited significantly during that time. The collapse that we now experience is what happens when a pyramid scheme falls apart: anger, acrimony, and moralising.

Banks should not be compensated for the losses they now incur. Nationalisation actually entrenches and endorses the pyramid process. The current loss of confidence, by definition, exposes the previous phenomenon for what it was: literally a confidence trick.

Our hapless government has been the last and biggest sucker to fall for that scam, an easy victim of its own propensity to deceive.  

And the public, in debt, rather sadly wandering through the Labour park so heavily populated with park-keepers now realises it has trodden in something - and the public is examining the sole of its shoe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Blair period was characterised by easily available credit. That credit was not cheap, and banks profited significantly during that time. The collapse that we now experience is what happens when a pyramid scheme falls apart: anger, acrimony, and moralising.</p>
<p>Banks should not be compensated for the losses they now incur. Nationalisation actually entrenches and endorses the pyramid process. The current loss of confidence, by definition, exposes the previous phenomenon for what it was: literally a confidence trick.</p>
<p>Our hapless government has been the last and biggest sucker to fall for that scam, an easy victim of its own propensity to deceive.  </p>
<p>And the public, in debt, rather sadly wandering through the Labour park so heavily populated with park-keepers now realises it has trodden in something &#8211; and the public is examining the sole of its shoe.</p>
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