Comments on: What the government failed to tell us http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/ Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:37:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Miller 2.0 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19776 Miller 2.0 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:28:12 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19776 "The government did not tell us when first elected in 1997 that they would want to damage our liberties in the name of security. " John, you can't really be telling me that if you get into government, you would do things any differently? the last time you lot were in, you were pretty darned authoritarian. “The government did not tell us when first elected in 1997 that they would want to damage our liberties in the name of security. ”

John, you can’t really be telling me that if you get into government, you would do things any differently?

the last time you lot were in, you were pretty darned authoritarian.

]]> By: David Eyles http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19769 David Eyles Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:49:13 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19769 Matthew Reynolds has reminded me that Simon Heffer has also made the point that Labour are not so much incompetent as having deliberately set about destroying so much that is good about this nation. In particular, the formation of the client state and the continual, piecemeal loss of our liberty in order to maintain themselves permanently in power. Its an interesting question and one which can only be looked at by rigorous historical analysis. If Matthew's proposition is correct, then who was the architect of this and how was it disseminated? (Sentence left out -ed) For such widespread destruction of our country to have been the product of deliberate policy by the Labour party, then there must be indicators of the kind I have mentioned. If there are no definite indicators, then it is merely incompetence on a trully epic scale. What an interesting PhD thesis for someone to undertake. Matthew Reynolds has reminded me that Simon Heffer has also made the point that Labour are not so much incompetent as having deliberately set about destroying so much that is good about this nation. In particular, the formation of the client state and the continual, piecemeal loss of our liberty in order to maintain themselves permanently in power.

Its an interesting question and one which can only be looked at by rigorous historical analysis. If Matthew’s proposition is correct, then who was the architect of this and how was it disseminated?
(Sentence left out -ed)
For such widespread destruction of our country to have been the product of deliberate policy by the Labour party, then there must be indicators of the kind I have mentioned. If there are no definite indicators, then it is merely incompetence on a trully epic scale. What an interesting PhD thesis for someone to undertake.

]]> By: mikestallard http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19756 mikestallard Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:01:21 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19756 In with a bang - out with a whimper - and very soon too, I hope. In with a bang - out with a whimper - and very soon too, I hope.

]]> By: d http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19749 d Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:34:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19749 Labour didn't tell us that they wanted to keep more and more of our personal data on computers, accessible by any Tom, Dick or Harriet in public service - or by someone picking up CDs or DVDs in the street. Labour didn't tell us that they had made the client state more and more difficult to unpick by future governments (although one Gordon Brown has probably come to realise that he can't unpick his clever tax band/tax credit nightmare either). They didn't tell us that we would be committed to open-ended wars on doubtful evidence. They didn't tell us that our homes are no longer our castles - but drop in centres for the State's minions. Labour didn't tell us that their local government funding policies would lead to additional charges or increased 'fines' for services that were once included in 'the rates'. Labour didn't tell us that the law abiding subjects would feel threatened by every yob and criminal and unable to do anything about it because of a disinterested police 'service'. Labour didn’t tell us that they wanted to keep more and more of our personal data on computers, accessible by any Tom, Dick or Harriet in public service - or by someone picking up CDs or DVDs in the street.

Labour didn’t tell us that they had made the client state more and more difficult to unpick by future governments (although one Gordon Brown has probably come to realise that he can’t unpick his clever tax band/tax credit nightmare either).

They didn’t tell us that we would be committed to open-ended wars on doubtful evidence.

They didn’t tell us that our homes are no longer our castles - but drop in centres for the State’s minions.

Labour didn’t tell us that their local government funding policies would lead to additional charges or increased ‘fines’ for services that were once included in ‘the rates’.

Labour didn’t tell us that the law abiding subjects would feel threatened by every yob and criminal and unable to do anything about it because of a disinterested police ’service’.

]]> By: Matthew Reynolds http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19740 Matthew Reynolds Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:04:00 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19740 Labour are not incompetent - rather they had dark & sinister motives right from the start . Mass immigartion , welfare dependency and 800,000 more people working for the public sector are Labour's way of creating a client state designed to be left wing in orientation so that Labour keep winning general elections by virtue of the said people relying on the state and so voting for a pro- big government Labour Party . Rather than just bleating about Labour's policies the Tories need to offer a positive alternative . If high taxes & big government are making our economy less competitive while poverty is rising then could it be I wonder that lower taxes and a smaller state sector could be the solution ? Ronald Reagan went for tax cuts rather than redistribution and it worked both in terms of falling poverty rates and a prolonged economic boom . Does one really have to say more ? Labour are not incompetent - rather they had dark & sinister motives right from the start . Mass immigartion , welfare dependency and 800,000 more people working for the public sector are Labour’s way of creating a client state designed to be left wing in orientation so that Labour keep winning general elections by virtue of the said people relying on the state and so voting for a pro- big government Labour Party . Rather than just bleating about Labour’s policies the Tories need to offer a positive alternative . If high taxes & big government are making our economy less competitive while poverty is rising then could it be I wonder that lower taxes and a smaller state sector could be the solution ? Ronald Reagan went for tax cuts rather than redistribution and it worked both in terms of falling poverty rates and a prolonged economic boom . Does one really have to say more ?

]]> By: John http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19739 John Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:02:38 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19739 Well, wouldn't you have kept quiet about such apalling governance too? Well, wouldn’t you have kept quiet about such apalling governance too?

]]> By: GeoffH http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19737 GeoffH Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:28:51 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19737 They did tell us that they were "the political arm of the British people as a whole", which summed up their arrogance quite neatly. And the danger they posed. (That 'Demon Eyes' poster was quite justified and certainly prophetic). No-one should have been surprised at their tinkering with the constitution, electoral system etc after that - and all designed to maintain a permanent presence in power. One more fiddle - PR with the LibDems - and they'd have achieved the coup d'etat they so earnestly desired. We have one last chance to foil them. They did tell us that they were “the political arm of the British people as a whole”, which summed up their arrogance quite neatly. And the danger they posed. (That ‘Demon Eyes’ poster was quite justified and certainly prophetic).

No-one should have been surprised at their tinkering with the constitution, electoral system etc after that - and all designed to maintain a permanent presence in power.

One more fiddle - PR with the LibDems - and they’d have achieved the coup d’etat they so earnestly desired.

We have one last chance to foil them.

]]> By: Ian Evans http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19735 Ian Evans Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:16:54 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19735 It all sounds like Leonard Cohen lyrics. Equally depressing too! It all sounds like Leonard Cohen lyrics. Equally depressing too!

]]> By: Bazman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19732 Bazman Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:22:51 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19732 Most importantly they did not tell the Conservative voters the value of their house or houses would triple in ten years and how much money they have 'made' would be their main topic of dinner party conversation. Pity. Most importantly they did not tell the Conservative voters the value of their house or houses would triple in ten years and how much money they have ‘made’ would be their main topic of dinner party conversation. Pity.

]]> By: Mark Wadsworth http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19731 Mark Wadsworth Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:09:54 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19731 Excellent list, good additions 1 to 3 below. In fact, it'd probably be quicker listing what they did tell us. I struggle to think of much on that list. Excellent list, good additions 1 to 3 below. In fact, it’d probably be quicker listing what they did tell us. I struggle to think of much on that list.

]]> By: Deborah http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19722 Deborah Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:28:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19722 a) They did not tell us their tax and benefit arrangements would be set up to encourage family breakdown b) They did not tell us they would open our borders and encourage uncontrolled immigration. c) They did not tell us their planning policies would encourage backyard development, replacing traditional houses with dense blocks of flats and concreting over our greenfields - to build extra homes to cater for a) and b). a) They did not tell us their tax and benefit arrangements would be set up to encourage family breakdown
b) They did not tell us they would open our borders and encourage uncontrolled immigration.
c) They did not tell us their planning policies would encourage backyard development, replacing traditional houses with dense blocks of flats and concreting over our greenfields - to build extra homes to cater for a) and b).

]]> By: Tony Makara http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19721 Tony Makara Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:21:54 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19721 The Labour government did not tell us that the poorest people in our society would lose access to NHS dentistry and that their flagship 3.4 Billion, New Deal programme would do nothing to stop youth unemployment increasing by 20%. The Labour government also did not tell us that they were going to sell our gold 'cut-price' and move the goalposts when it came to measuring inflation. The Labour government did not tell us that the poorest people in our society would lose access to NHS dentistry and that their flagship 3.4 Billion, New Deal programme would do nothing to stop youth unemployment increasing by 20%. The Labour government also did not tell us that they were going to sell our gold ‘cut-price’ and move the goalposts when it came to measuring inflation.

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19719 Letters From A Tory Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:01:46 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19719 They also failed to tell us how they would take advantage of the Honours system to give their buddies a nice reward, nor did they tell us they would create such a high tax burden. Actually, there's quite a lot of things they forgot to mention. http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com They also failed to tell us how they would take advantage of the Honours system to give their buddies a nice reward, nor did they tell us they would create such a high tax burden. Actually, there’s quite a lot of things they forgot to mention.

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com

]]> By: tim holden http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/28/what-the-government-failed-to-tell-us/#comment-19718 tim holden Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:36:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1030#comment-19718 They do have an excuse for not telling us what they were doing - they did not know what they were doing. They do have an excuse for not telling us what they were doing - they did not know what they were doing.

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