Comments on: Labour should remember the Poll Tax and the Peasants’ Revolt http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/ Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:10:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Rose http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-20153 Rose Tue, 06 May 2008 11:49:32 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-20153 Stuart, I thought the uniform business rate came in in the 80s to stop councils like Lambeth bleeding busines to death - or just driving it out. No doubt our cyber-tutor will tell us. Stuart, I thought the uniform business rate came in in the 80s to stop councils like Lambeth bleeding busines to death - or just driving it out. No doubt our cyber-tutor will tell us.

]]> By: Bazman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19917 Bazman Thu, 01 May 2008 17:48:46 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19917 Should have been called 'pool tax'. A tax for not having a swimming pool. Should have been called ‘pool tax’. A tax for not having a swimming pool.

]]> By: niconoclast http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19913 niconoclast Thu, 01 May 2008 16:13:16 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19913 People need to know the tax policies of the opposition NOW -not two weeks before an election! Parties are like brands, we need to be familiar with what they stand for from the get go.Anything else is pure cynicism. 'I don't know what our tax policies are, we haven't decided ' is frankly a risible and pathetic response. What's so difficult about telling us what level you think corporation tax in the UKshould be? Businesses are fleeing abroad to escape as a result of the swingeing tax.And petrol tax is 70%,robbing the poor and the useless tories don't have a clue what they would do about it. Mind blowing... People need to know the tax policies of the opposition NOW -not two weeks before an election! Parties are like brands, we need to be familiar with what they stand for from the get go.Anything else is pure cynicism.

‘I don’t know what our tax policies are, we haven’t decided ‘ is frankly a risible and pathetic response. What’s so difficult about telling us what level you think corporation tax in the UKshould be? Businesses are fleeing abroad to escape as a result of the swingeing tax.And petrol tax is 70%,robbing the poor and the useless tories don’t have a clue what they would do about it. Mind blowing…

]]> By: Stuart Fairney http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19911 Stuart Fairney Thu, 01 May 2008 14:17:50 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19911 One more that occurs to me Uniform Business Rate ~ shift the money up North tax to give to our friends on the fig-leaf justification of a horribly out of date formulation by a minister from the 1974 (!) Labour government. One more that occurs to me

Uniform Business Rate ~ shift the money up North tax to give to our friends on the fig-leaf justification of a horribly out of date formulation by a minister from the 1974 (!) Labour government.

]]> By: Rose http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19908 Rose Thu, 01 May 2008 11:21:39 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19908 A couple more for your consideration: VAT on all building works - "Church repairs tax"; "Home repairs tax"; "historic building repairs tax", "office/shop repairs tax", etc. All expensive and time-consuming PC rules for charities - risk assessment, police checks, equalities legislation, etc. etc. - i.e. tax on all charitable activities, or "Altruism Tax". A couple more for your consideration:
VAT on all building works - “Church repairs tax”; “Home repairs tax”; “historic building repairs tax”, “office/shop repairs tax”, etc.
All expensive and time-consuming PC rules for charities - risk assessment, police checks, equalities legislation, etc. etc. - i.e. tax on all charitable activities, or “Altruism Tax”.

]]> By: Stuart Fairney http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19903 Stuart Fairney Thu, 01 May 2008 09:34:39 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19903 Sacerdote ~ I have never seen a better definition of the national lottery than yours Sacerdote ~ I have never seen a better definition of the national lottery than yours

]]> By: Donitz http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19898 Donitz Thu, 01 May 2008 08:15:48 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19898 Mikestallard, I read your post and was to say the least moved by the goodwill and action that you and your colleagues have taken to improve others lives. Do not let Government prevent this. Mikestallard, I read your post and was to say the least moved by the goodwill and action that you and your colleagues have taken to improve others lives.

Do not let Government prevent this.

]]> By: Thortung http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19875 Thortung Thu, 01 May 2008 02:35:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19875 Assuming the stated "justification" for high fuel taxes is to encourage limited usage, income tax must also surely be designed to discourage working or striving for a higher income. Assuming the stated “justification” for high fuel taxes is to encourage limited usage, income tax must also surely be designed to discourage working or striving for a higher income.

]]> By: Steven_L http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19826 Steven_L Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:03:27 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19826 Tobacco Duty = Too lazy to get on a plane, train or boat tax BBC Licence fee = Jonathon Ross tax Congestion charge fine = forgetful tax Tobacco Duty = Too lazy to get on a plane, train or boat tax
BBC Licence fee = Jonathon Ross tax
Congestion charge fine = forgetful tax

]]> By: John of Enfield http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19824 John of Enfield Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:57:24 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19824 Tax Credits. Your-own-money-back tax. PFI. The off-balance-sheet tax. A tax all the same. Public Sector Final Salary Pensions. A tax on our grandchildren's children. Inheritance Tax - A tax-on-what's-left-after-all-the-other-taxes tax. Tax Credits. Your-own-money-back tax.

PFI. The off-balance-sheet tax. A tax all the same.

Public Sector Final Salary Pensions. A tax on our grandchildren’s children.

Inheritance Tax - A tax-on-what’s-left-after-all-the-other-taxes tax.

]]> By: Mr Leatherhead http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19818 Mr Leatherhead Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:00:08 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19818 One hidden tax which is increasingly being used by Nu Labour is to levy fines on tax funded Public Sector organisations for missing targets or, for cock ups. This is clearly a Recycling (of tax) Tax One hidden tax which is increasingly being used by Nu Labour is to levy fines on tax funded Public Sector organisations for missing targets or, for cock ups.

This is clearly a Recycling (of tax) Tax

]]> By: mikestallard http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19816 mikestallard Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:15:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19816 I am a teacher at two weekly classes where, for free, we teach anyone who cares to turn up. At the moment, we have about 5 volunteer teachers and we get somewhere in the region of 20 students. We also have a lady who gives out free cups of tea. The church picks up the bill. BUT last week a girl of 9 years old came along with her Aunt. So we are all now faced with CRB checks. What do you call that tax? Also, we have people who visit housebound people's homes with the sacrament. They, too, are potential abusers, apparently. So they all have to have a CRB check too. When this was announced in Mass, somebody at the back shouted "Shame!" What do you call that tax? How about a slander tax? PS I really admire the way you speak the truth in parliament from a real business experience. I am just wondering what businesses Mr Brown and his coterie have ever run - between them. I am a teacher at two weekly classes where, for free, we teach anyone who cares to turn up. At the moment, we have about 5 volunteer teachers and we get somewhere in the region of 20 students. We also have a lady who gives out free cups of tea. The church picks up the bill.
BUT last week a girl of 9 years old came along with her Aunt. So we are all now faced with CRB checks.
What do you call that tax?
Also, we have people who visit housebound people’s homes with the sacrament. They, too, are potential abusers, apparently. So they all have to have a CRB check too. When this was announced in Mass, somebody at the back shouted “Shame!”
What do you call that tax?
How about a slander tax?

PS I really admire the way you speak the truth in parliament from a real business experience. I am just wondering what businesses Mr Brown and his coterie have ever run - between them.

]]> By: Sacerdote http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19815 Sacerdote Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:27:57 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19815 National Lottery - Stupidity tax Speed Cameras - Long Distance Tax (because it's only people who don't know the area who get caught by them). National Lottery - Stupidity tax
Speed Cameras - Long Distance Tax (because it’s only people who don’t know the area who get caught by them).

]]> By: David Hannah http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19814 David Hannah Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:14:49 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19814 Cliff, you’re right about the penalties aspect. Surely one of the biggest tax increases has been the increased abundance of speed, nay, safety cameras. Where I live in Ayrshire, my local council constructed a network of average speed cameras at a substantial cost. Due to their nature, these SPECS cameras enforce a far greater level of speed-limit compliance. Dismayed by the lack of revenue this investment generated (literally earning a handful of fines), the council further reduced the speed limit to 50mph (on a four-lane duel carriageway) for no apparent reason (although I think we know the real reason). This has resulted in many motorists choosing to leave the carriageway (myself included) at the new limit zone, and instead diverting through the adjacent country roads and villages at a higher speed. Never mind though; it’s all for road safety don’t-yer-know! What makes this worse though is that we have a Conservative Council! So there we have it. Speed cameras - the journey-time tax! Cliff, you’re right about the penalties aspect. Surely one of the biggest tax increases has been the increased abundance of speed, nay, safety cameras. Where I live in Ayrshire, my local council constructed a network of average speed cameras at a substantial cost. Due to their nature, these SPECS cameras enforce a far greater level of speed-limit compliance. Dismayed by the lack of revenue this investment generated (literally earning a handful of fines), the council further reduced the speed limit to 50mph (on a four-lane duel carriageway) for no apparent reason (although I think we know the real reason).

This has resulted in many motorists choosing to leave the carriageway (myself included) at the new limit zone, and instead diverting through the adjacent country roads and villages at a higher speed. Never mind though; it’s all for road safety don’t-yer-know! What makes this worse though is that we have a Conservative Council!

So there we have it. Speed cameras - the journey-time tax!

]]> By: Derek W. Buxton http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19810 Derek W. Buxton Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:53:44 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19810 One word sums up most of the taxes, especially the recent ones, THEFT. One point on the "poll tax", this in fact made sense because, as now, councils had become rapacious and the rates had become untenable. You lost the fight, one that you should have won, because the local council aided by Labour and the BBC cheated. The idea was correct, many more people paying so smaller take per person, but that did not happen. The Councils cheated and increased the payment to almost the same per person as the previous amount for the house. The socialist propaganda machine, the BBC was in full flow and then councils did not attempt to get the money of the "refusenicks" so we all had to pay more. No politician to my knowledge ever attacked what was clearly happening so now we get another bad system, but guess what, now you go straight to jail if you do not pay. That is "socialism" writ large, but again no politician will fight. That is why I am not, regretably, able to vote for your party, well that and the deafening silence on the EU. One word sums up most of the taxes, especially the recent ones, THEFT.
One point on the “poll tax”, this in fact made sense because, as now, councils had become rapacious and the rates had become untenable. You lost the fight, one that you should have won, because the local council aided by Labour and the BBC cheated. The idea was correct, many more people paying so smaller take per person, but that did not happen. The Councils cheated and increased the payment to almost the same per person as the previous amount for the house. The socialist propaganda machine, the BBC was in full flow and then councils did not attempt to get the money of the “refusenicks” so we all had to pay more. No politician to my knowledge ever attacked what was clearly happening so now we get another bad system, but guess what, now you go straight to jail if you do not pay. That is “socialism” writ large, but again no politician will fight.
That is why I am not, regretably, able to vote for your party, well that and the deafening silence on the EU.

]]> By: Cliff http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19809 Cliff Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:48:36 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19809 The other "tax" many forget about is the use of the criminal justice system to raise tax, although they call them fines or penalties. The victim surcharge comes to mind. The number of new offences under this government, each with a fine attached of course, has rocketed. Quangos and agencies, each with the power to issue fines, add to the "tax" burden as business pass these fines on to customers. The TV license, getting people to fund a government biased broadcaster. The government effectively forcing companies to take on what one considers to be the government's job. I think of the new money laundering legislation and the extra responsibilities put on banks, employers, accountants etc etc in relation to checking identities as examples. The government has clearly forced business to take on many of the duties one expects the state to perform. All these extra costs will have to be paid for and business will eventually pass them on to customers. The other “tax” many forget about is the use of the criminal justice system to raise tax, although they call them fines or penalties. The victim surcharge comes to mind. The number of new offences under this government, each with a fine attached of course, has rocketed.
Quangos and agencies, each with the power to issue fines, add to the “tax” burden as business pass these fines on to customers.
The TV license, getting people to fund a government biased broadcaster.
The government effectively forcing companies to take on what one considers to be the government’s job. I think of the new money laundering legislation and the extra responsibilities put on banks, employers, accountants etc etc in relation to checking identities as examples. The government has clearly forced business to take on many of the duties one expects the state to perform. All these extra costs will have to be paid for and business will eventually pass them on to customers.

]]> By: APL http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19808 APL Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:40:45 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19808 Capital gains tax - success tax Tax on savings interest - dare I say it, a prudence tax Fuel excise tax - economic activity tax VAT on fuel excise tax - tax on tax tax Capital gains tax - success tax
Tax on savings interest - dare I say it, a prudence tax

Fuel excise tax - economic activity tax
VAT on fuel excise tax - tax on tax tax

]]> By: Donitz http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19806 Donitz Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:58:21 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19806 My particular favourite is Employers NI contribution. As mentioned above, its an "Employment Tax". Lets tax people that create jobs!!! Other suggestions: National Lottery - Benefit Claimant Tax My particular favourite is Employers NI contribution.

As mentioned above, its an “Employment Tax”.
Lets tax people that create jobs!!!

Other suggestions:

National Lottery - Benefit Claimant Tax

]]> By: Acorn http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19805 Acorn Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:08:43 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19805 What was it that Reagan said?. If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidies it. The remaining taxes that HMRC admit to collecting:- Petroleum Revenue Tax - Substitute For More Fuel Duty Tax Tobacco Duty - Nasty Habit Tax Betting & Gaming Duty - I Have a Dream Tax Customs Duty - Should Have Holidayed in Britain Tax Air Passenger Duty - Substitute Aviation Fuel Tax Landfill Tax - Greenhouse Gas Tax Aggregates Tax - Building Buildings Tax See:- http://www.customsandrevenue.eu/stats/tax_receipts/table1-2.pdf BTW. Your comments in parliament yesterday - Finance Bill - concerning the Leaseholder buy-out stamp duty, were spot on. Only man can make life this complicated. It has been a problem for years; it involves parts of previous Acts that were never enacted because they would not work; and, nobody knows how to fix it. What was it that Reagan said?. If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidies it.

The remaining taxes that HMRC admit to collecting:-

Petroleum Revenue Tax - Substitute For More Fuel Duty Tax
Tobacco Duty - Nasty Habit Tax
Betting & Gaming Duty - I Have a Dream Tax
Customs Duty - Should Have Holidayed in Britain Tax
Air Passenger Duty - Substitute Aviation Fuel Tax
Landfill Tax - Greenhouse Gas Tax
Aggregates Tax - Building Buildings Tax

See:- http://www.customsandrevenue.eu/stats/tax_receipts/table1-2.pdf

BTW. Your comments in parliament yesterday - Finance Bill - concerning the Leaseholder buy-out stamp duty, were spot on. Only man can make life this complicated. It has been a problem for years; it involves parts of previous Acts that were never enacted because they would not work; and, nobody knows how to fix it.

]]> By: Rose http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19804 Rose Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:56:30 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19804 And tax on singing together or just playing the piano - Live Entertainments Licenses And tax on singing together or just playing the piano - Live Entertainments Licenses

]]> By: niconoclast http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19803 niconoclast Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:48:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19803 As petrol tax is 70% under Labour what would it be under yhe Conservatives.Please try and answer as you had some difficulty last time re corporation tax when I enquired. Reply: I do not know, as this has not yet been decided. Conservatives are probably two years away from government, electorate willing. My view is we need to cancel the next petrol tax increase, and reduce motoring taxes by the amount of the excess of revenue over budget from this source. As petrol tax is 70% under Labour what would it be under yhe Conservatives.Please try and answer as you had some difficulty last time re corporation tax when I enquired.

Reply: I do not know, as this has not yet been decided. Conservatives are probably two years away from government, electorate willing. My view is we need to cancel the next petrol tax increase, and reduce motoring taxes by the amount of the excess of revenue over budget from this source.

]]> By: Martin C http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19801 Martin C Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:24:19 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19801 Here's a few more: BBC License fee = Telly tax Paying fares on Bendy Buses = Honesty tax Insurance Premium tax = Prudence tax Here’s a few more:

BBC License fee = Telly tax
Paying fares on Bendy Buses = Honesty tax
Insurance Premium tax = Prudence tax

]]> By: Tony Makara http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19799 Tony Makara Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:09:06 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19799 The English, rather like their American cousins have a healthy dislike for taxation. Reading the article sent my mind spinning back to an old movie called 'The sword and the rose' in which king Henry VIII played brilliantly by James Robertson Justice is trying to raise revenue to pay for a wedding between Mary Tudor played by the delicious Glynis Johns and king Louis XII of France. The artfully loyal Duke of Buckingham played by Michael Gough is given charge of raising the money through a tax by Henry's decree, The good duke knowing the English attitude all too well replies by saying "Ask them to pay more...they will squeal like pigs!" To which Henry replies "If they object lock the blighters in the tower!" The English, rather like their American cousins have a healthy dislike for taxation. Reading the article sent my mind spinning back to an old movie called ‘The sword and the rose’ in which king Henry VIII played brilliantly by James Robertson Justice is trying to raise revenue to pay for a wedding between Mary Tudor played by the delicious Glynis Johns and king Louis XII of France. The artfully loyal Duke of Buckingham played by Michael Gough is given charge of raising the money through a tax by Henry’s decree, The good duke knowing the English attitude all too well replies by saying “Ask them to pay more…they will squeal like pigs!” To which Henry replies “If they object lock the blighters in the tower!”

]]> By: David Hannah http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19797 David Hannah Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:59:58 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19797 Don't forget; Inheritance Tax = Death Tax Don’t forget; Inheritance Tax = Death Tax

]]> By: Letters From A Tory http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/04/30/labour-should-remember-the-poll-tax-and-the-peasants-revolt/#comment-19795 Letters From A Tory Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:48:07 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1036#comment-19795 Impossible to disagree with your analysis. Labour are taxing anything that moves, talks or creates money. http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com Impossible to disagree with your analysis. Labour are taxing anything that moves, talks or creates money.

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com

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