Comments on: River deltas and the power of the sea. http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/ Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham Sun, 07 Sep 2008 08:06:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: JR Woodman http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20725 JR Woodman Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:34 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20725 John (11th May) is correct. Those sabre toothed tigers and 'elephants' (which we call 'mammoths') referred to by John Redwood, lived when it was much colder and the ice sheets extended over the land in the northern hemisphere. That's why the sea level dropped, mike stallard (11th May): the ice builds up on the land. And when it melts off the land it runs into the sea, raising the sea level. On the other hand ice which is floating on water as it forms or melts neither raises or lowers the sea level. These are facts which are well known even to primary school children. In answer to the question about why there have been warmer climates in the past. There have always been fluctuations in climate, no one denies that. However it is a fact that the CO2 level in the atmosphere has risen dramatically since 1800. Before that time, whether the climate was warm or cold, CO2 levels were very stable. That increase in greenhouse gasses, which has been produced by man's activities since the advent of the industrial revolution, is what is creating MMGW. How dare people who obviously know nothing about the science -- and based on absolutely no evidence -- rubbish the work of the scientists who spend their lives researching the impact of climate change? More unbiased information can be found if you Google, 'Met Office Climate change'. Or do you think the Met Office is a left-wing conspiracy? Please get real. By the way; I pay higher-rate tax, run a business and vote Conservative; so don't think I'm a lefty! John (11th May) is correct. Those sabre toothed tigers and ‘elephants’ (which we call ‘mammoths’) referred to by John Redwood, lived when it was much colder and the ice sheets extended over the land in the northern hemisphere. That’s why the sea level dropped, mike stallard (11th May): the ice builds up on the land. And when it melts off the land it runs into the sea, raising the sea level. On the other hand ice which is floating on water as it forms or melts neither raises or lowers the sea level. These are facts which are well known even to primary school children.

In answer to the question about why there have been warmer climates in the past. There have always been fluctuations in climate, no one denies that. However it is a fact that the CO2 level in the atmosphere has risen dramatically since 1800. Before that time, whether the climate was warm or cold, CO2 levels were very stable. That increase in greenhouse gasses, which has been produced by man’s activities since the advent of the industrial revolution, is what is creating MMGW.

How dare people who obviously know nothing about the science — and based on absolutely no evidence — rubbish the work of the scientists who spend their lives researching the impact of climate change?

More unbiased information can be found if you Google, ‘Met Office Climate change’. Or do you think the Met Office is a left-wing conspiracy? Please get real.

By the way; I pay higher-rate tax, run a business and vote Conservative; so don’t think I’m a lefty!

]]> By: mike stallard http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20360 mike stallard Sun, 11 May 2008 17:38:22 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20360 Please will someone explain this phemonenon? If you freeze, say, water in the fridge, the ice expands and blows the top off the bottle. If the ice mnelts in the ice caps, however, the sea level RISES. Why? Please will someone explain this phemonenon?
If you freeze, say, water in the fridge, the ice expands and blows the top off the bottle.
If the ice mnelts in the ice caps, however, the sea level RISES.
Why?

]]> By: John http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20336 John Sun, 11 May 2008 08:46:32 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20336 Err ... sea levels were much lower at that time because it was ---colder--- then, so much water being locked in ice sheets at northern (and not all that northern) lattitudes. Perhaps Mr Redwood has not heard about the ice age(s). The last one ended not all that many millenia ago. Britain's vertical position is still adjusting to the loss of that weight of ice, rising on one side in particular (and it's not the side next to the Channel). And the last ice age was preceded by others. So sure, the warming in the last 10,000 years is nothing to do with what humans do; but to pooh-pooh anything that happens now as "Wasn't me, guv', honest!" is highly irresponsible. Err … sea levels were much lower at that time because it was —colder— then, so much water being locked in ice sheets at northern (and not all that northern) lattitudes. Perhaps Mr Redwood has not heard about the ice age(s). The last one ended not all that many millenia ago. Britain’s vertical position is still adjusting to the loss of that weight of ice, rising on one side in particular (and it’s not the side next to the Channel).

And the last ice age was preceded by others.

So sure, the warming in the last 10,000 years is nothing to do with what humans do; but to pooh-pooh anything that happens now as “Wasn’t me, guv’, honest!” is highly irresponsible.

]]> By: Hullabaloo http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20211 Hullabaloo Wed, 07 May 2008 15:39:28 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20211 Just as most people tired of `charidee`concerts,singles and benefit gigs in the nineties and contracted `charity fatigue`. It seems as if everyone is now thoroughly sick of being beaten with the green stick! If we don`t tell `em they`ll keep doing it! Just as most people tired of `charidee`concerts,singles and benefit gigs in the nineties and contracted `charity fatigue`.
It seems as if everyone is now thoroughly sick of being beaten with the green stick!
If we don`t tell `em they`ll keep doing it!

]]> By: archduke http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20183 archduke Wed, 07 May 2008 08:35:52 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20183 regarding time team - anyone else notice the fact that they were digging up bones of animals from much warmer climes - such as lions, elephants, hippos... and that these animals existed in forested areas that are now at the bottom of the north sea. hang on - dont the global warmists remind us of "rising sea levels" - but how come the sea levels were LOWER back then , and yet the climate was warmer... regarding time team - anyone else notice the fact that they were digging up bones of animals from much warmer climes - such as lions, elephants, hippos… and that these animals existed in forested areas that are now at the bottom of the north sea.

hang on - dont the global warmists remind us of “rising sea levels” - but how come the sea levels were LOWER back then , and yet the climate was warmer…

]]> By: mikestallard http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20171 mikestallard Tue, 06 May 2008 17:03:20 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20171 In "Flood" there were certain very typical BBC conventions: 1. The Police Commissioner was, of course, a woman. 2. The Army chappies were idiots who obstructed her on sexist grounds. 3. The good Cop who collected the hero and heroine at the end was black. 4. The person who killed himself because he couldn't take the heat (meteorologist) was, of course, a white, middle aged man. 5. Marriage was quaintly seen as sort of having an affair. This meant that the family input was sketchy and, although the plot seemed to turn on it, it was very hard to follow. But what super animation and what excellent, convincing acting! In “Flood” there were certain very typical BBC conventions:
1. The Police Commissioner was, of course, a woman.
2. The Army chappies were idiots who obstructed her on sexist grounds.
3. The good Cop who collected the hero and heroine at the end was black.
4. The person who killed himself because he couldn’t take the heat (meteorologist) was, of course, a white, middle aged man.
5. Marriage was quaintly seen as sort of having an affair. This meant that the family input was sketchy and, although the plot seemed to turn on it, it was very hard to follow.

But what super animation and what excellent, convincing acting!

]]> By: APL http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20169 APL Tue, 06 May 2008 16:57:57 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20169 David Morris: "Perhaps you might yet convince your party leader, and hopefully next PM, to start asking similar questions before spouting on about more and more “Green” taxation." Unfortunately, not only is Cameron a greenie. He is in thrall to Zak Goldsmith who is, also a bit of an anthropomorphic global warming fanatic. Adam: "i saw five minutes of that flood disaster show and decided it was rubbish." Yes, I agree, it was utter tosh. It is all part of the 'scared to death' zietgeist, which the government is not above exploiting to push through their nasty little ID cards and population surveillance programme. Just to make us safe, you understand. What they omit to tell us is, if there are terrorists cells operating in our cities, it was the government that let them in with their lax border controls. This is after all an island, it isn't rocket science to protect the borders. But of course that function is now a European 'competence'. A misnomer if ever there were one. David Morris: “Perhaps you might yet convince your party leader, and hopefully next PM, to start asking similar questions before spouting on about more and more “Green” taxation.”

Unfortunately, not only is Cameron a greenie. He is in thrall to Zak Goldsmith who is, also a bit of an anthropomorphic global warming fanatic.

Adam: “i saw five minutes of that flood disaster show and decided it was rubbish.”

Yes, I agree, it was utter tosh. It is all part of the ’scared to death’ zietgeist, which the government is not above exploiting to push through their nasty little ID cards and population surveillance programme. Just to make us safe, you understand.

What they omit to tell us is, if there are terrorists cells operating in our cities, it was the government that let them in with their lax border controls. This is after all an island, it isn’t rocket science to protect the borders.

But of course that function is now a European ‘competence’. A misnomer if ever there were one.

]]> By: adam http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20162 adam Tue, 06 May 2008 15:31:14 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20162 i saw five minutes of that flood disaster show and decided it was rubbish. It had that short guy in it who pops up everywhere, despite being a terrible actor. He was doing his 'grave concern' facial expression, which is his only one. Like in acting, there are a lot of average television execs who produce poor television. 'Long way down' was ruined by these types and their artificial formulaic. A GW ref. is just another tick in their formula box. i saw five minutes of that flood disaster show and decided it was rubbish.
It had that short guy in it who pops up everywhere, despite being a terrible actor. He was doing his ‘grave concern’ facial expression, which is his only one.
Like in acting, there are a lot of average television execs who produce poor television.
‘Long way down’ was ruined by these types and their artificial formulaic.
A GW ref. is just another tick in their formula box.

]]> By: John http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20161 John Tue, 06 May 2008 14:28:44 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20161 Last night I watched the ITV 'disaster drama' Flood. Shock horror, violent storm, starts off up in Scotland and ends up causing tidal surge up the Thames. Thames Barrier fails to halt surge, London is flooded.Obviously filmed pre-Boris but what amused me was no Prime Minister to be seen. Deputy Prime Minister (played by David Suchet) takes control. Given Gordon Brown's reputation as a ditherer, perhaps the writer had this in mind. Thank God it was only a tv drama. Last night I watched the ITV ‘disaster drama’ Flood. Shock horror, violent storm, starts off up in Scotland and ends up causing tidal surge up the Thames. Thames Barrier fails to halt surge, London is flooded.Obviously filmed pre-Boris but what amused me was no Prime Minister to be seen. Deputy Prime Minister (played by David Suchet) takes control.
Given Gordon Brown’s reputation as a ditherer, perhaps the writer had this in mind.
Thank God it was only a tv drama.

]]> By: Tony Lamb http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20158 Tony Lamb Tue, 06 May 2008 13:50:06 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20158 My heart always sinks when watching these documentaries - 'here comes the global warming sermon'. In this case, there was so much padding I turned over after 15 minutes so missed it. My heart always sinks when watching these documentaries - ‘here comes the global warming sermon’. In this case, there was so much padding I turned over after 15 minutes so missed it.

]]> By: David morris http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20156 David morris Tue, 06 May 2008 13:04:10 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20156 Whenever I come across MMGW evangelists on various forums I ask them the same very simple question. So what caused the climate to be much warmer in past history? To date, like the good arch Leftie Robinson is, they simply ignore the question and point to "scientific concensus". Perhaps you might yet convince your party leader, and hopefully next PM, to start asking similar questions before spouting on about more and more "Green" taxation. Whenever I come across MMGW evangelists on various forums I ask them the same very simple question. So what caused the climate to be much warmer in past history? To date, like the good arch Leftie Robinson is, they simply ignore the question and point to “scientific concensus”.

Perhaps you might yet convince your party leader, and hopefully next PM, to start asking similar questions before spouting on about more and more “Green” taxation.

]]> By: Freeborn John http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20154 Freeborn John Tue, 06 May 2008 12:07:21 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20154 There should indeed be much more action on practical measures to prevent flooding and less empty talk about tweaks to the tax system. The Thames flood relief channel has, in my opinion, been an unqualified (if little heralded) success. Prior to its opening in 2001 there was flooding in many years along the non-tidal stretches of the Thames between Oxford and Windsor, but since its opening the situation has dramatically improved. I am quite sure that the heavy rains last summer that led to the floods in Gloucestershire and Yorkshire would also have caused flooding in the South East had the Thames channel not been in place. Similar flood relief channels should be built to protect communities living along the Severn and other rivers. Reply: I am going hoarse pressing the government to do just this. There should indeed be much more action on practical measures to prevent flooding and less empty talk about tweaks to the tax system. The Thames flood relief channel has, in my opinion, been an unqualified (if little heralded) success. Prior to its opening in 2001 there was flooding in many years along the non-tidal stretches of the Thames between Oxford and Windsor, but since its opening the situation has dramatically improved. I am quite sure that the heavy rains last summer that led to the floods in Gloucestershire and Yorkshire would also have caused flooding in the South East had the Thames channel not been in place. Similar flood relief channels should be built to protect communities living along the Severn and other rivers.

Reply: I am going hoarse pressing the government to do just this.

]]> By: Derek http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20152 Derek Tue, 06 May 2008 11:38:46 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20152 Apart from being an incorrigible old lefty, my main dislike for Tony Robinson and his Time Team programme is that it completely disabuses you of the idea that archaeology is anything like Indiana Jones. All the better if it was as Tony would be left with insufficient time and energy to pontificate on climate change mumbo jumbo. Mainstream television presents climate change as fact when the science is equivocal at best. It amuses me the lengths television goes to in obscuring brand names, of products during programmes, lest credibility be lent to the brand. Alas, no such censorship extends to climate change. Apart from being an incorrigible old lefty, my main dislike for Tony Robinson and his Time Team programme is that it completely disabuses you of the idea that archaeology is anything like Indiana Jones. All the better if it was as Tony would be left with insufficient time and energy to pontificate on climate change mumbo jumbo. Mainstream television presents climate change as fact when the science is equivocal at best.

It amuses me the lengths television goes to in obscuring brand names, of products during programmes, lest credibility be lent to the brand. Alas, no such censorship extends to climate change.

]]> By: Rose http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20149 Rose Tue, 06 May 2008 10:44:13 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20149 And now that the Cold War is over, they always have to jam their own programmes with electronic noise. And now that the Cold War is over, they always have to jam their own programmes with electronic noise.

]]> By: Stuart Fairney http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/06/river-deltas-and-the-power-of-the-sea/#comment-20142 Stuart Fairney Tue, 06 May 2008 07:57:29 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1054#comment-20142 Well said indeed, these TV global warming pieces rather put me in mind of some of Leni Riefenstahl's offerings, and I regard them as equally invalid. Well said indeed, these TV global warming pieces rather put me in mind of some of Leni Riefenstahl’s offerings, and I regard them as equally invalid.

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