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	<description>Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/15/forces-housing-revisited/#comment-21298</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my husband has 5 years left to serve in the army, we have 2 children in there last few years at school and would very much like to buy a house and settle down so the children can sit there gcse's without been disturbed again. we are entitled to long service advance of pay, but that is only Â£8500, this amount is just not enough to put down on a mortgage, we need the lsap amount rising to a decent amount to put down on a mortgage.
we dont want to live in the service accomadation as it is  horrible, but we dont have alot of choice. the only time we stand a chance of getting on property ladder is when my husband retires in 5 years time,  a little to late to give the children any chance of stability in there important years of schooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my husband has 5 years left to serve in the army, we have 2 children in there last few years at school and would very much like to buy a house and settle down so the children can sit there gcse&#8217;s without been disturbed again. we are entitled to long service advance of pay, but that is only Â£8500, this amount is just not enough to put down on a mortgage, we need the lsap amount rising to a decent amount to put down on a mortgage.<br />
we dont want to live in the service accomadation as it is  horrible, but we dont have alot of choice. the only time we stand a chance of getting on property ladder is when my husband retires in 5 years time,  a little to late to give the children any chance of stability in there important years of schooling.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/15/forces-housing-revisited/#comment-20779</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Just seen your reply.  Missed it earlier but I have one extra comment:

You said "so soldiers would always come back to the same barracks" but this is not in line with the concept of trickle posting.

Trickle posting is central to the plan post arms plot because where infantry soldiers once experienced different roles as they moved with their unit, they now do so by being moved themselves as their unit stays put.

Therefore, you cannot give soldiers the right to return to the same barracks after an overseas posting because they will be expected to move around to gain that experience the infantry requires.

You may of course argue that soldiers should be allowed to serve where they wish but that is not the system and it would make for a 2-tier infantry where some just stay put whilst others have to move.

This is not conducive to the infantry ethos.  They are all in it together and subject to the same rules, demands and risks.

Again, I commend your efforts but whilst defence provides for married quarters, I feel your time would be better spent on fighting for more (new) money for defence specifically to keep accommodation standards high and brow beating garrisons to make the effort and where new builds take place to make them of a good standard in the first place.

reply: You may need to do as I say to recruit and retain enough soliders. There will be consequential changes to ops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Just seen your reply.  Missed it earlier but I have one extra comment:</p>
<p>You said &#8220;so soldiers would always come back to the same barracks&#8221; but this is not in line with the concept of trickle posting.</p>
<p>Trickle posting is central to the plan post arms plot because where infantry soldiers once experienced different roles as they moved with their unit, they now do so by being moved themselves as their unit stays put.</p>
<p>Therefore, you cannot give soldiers the right to return to the same barracks after an overseas posting because they will be expected to move around to gain that experience the infantry requires.</p>
<p>You may of course argue that soldiers should be allowed to serve where they wish but that is not the system and it would make for a 2-tier infantry where some just stay put whilst others have to move.</p>
<p>This is not conducive to the infantry ethos.  They are all in it together and subject to the same rules, demands and risks.</p>
<p>Again, I commend your efforts but whilst defence provides for married quarters, I feel your time would be better spent on fighting for more (new) money for defence specifically to keep accommodation standards high and brow beating garrisons to make the effort and where new builds take place to make them of a good standard in the first place.</p>
<p>reply: You may need to do as I say to recruit and retain enough soliders. There will be consequential changes to ops.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/15/forces-housing-revisited/#comment-20532</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to me to be an excellent idea. 
Today as I was walking in Lynn past "Connexions", I saw an advert for people to join the Army. Excellent starting salary - Â£12,000 p.a. with opportunities for foreign travel!!!! This is actually less than a minor civil servant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to me to be an excellent idea.<br />
Today as I was walking in Lynn past &#8220;Connexions&#8221;, I saw an advert for people to join the Army. Excellent starting salary - Â£12,000 p.a. with opportunities for foreign travel!!!! This is actually less than a minor civil servant.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew  Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/15/forces-housing-revisited/#comment-20526</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew  Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done John ! As with your transport policy ideas your radical , common sense approach is both morally right &#38; bound to be popular . I do hope that you have told our excellent Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox about your superb ideas for improving  the housing prospects for our armed forces .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done John ! As with your transport policy ideas your radical , common sense approach is both morally right &amp; bound to be popular . I do hope that you have told our excellent Shadow Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox about your superb ideas for improving  the housing prospects for our armed forces .</p>
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		<title>By: ScotsToryB</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/15/forces-housing-revisited/#comment-20525</link>
		<dc:creator>ScotsToryB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps make all forces accommodation transferable condominium. That way they can release or save equity(it could. of course be made compulsory to save) and when they leave they have a lump sum and the property meanwhile is upkept.

A little more simple if I may be so bold.

STB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps make all forces accommodation transferable condominium. That way they can release or save equity(it could. of course be made compulsory to save) and when they leave they have a lump sum and the property meanwhile is upkept.</p>
<p>A little more simple if I may be so bold.</p>
<p>STB.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn't many weeks ago that I read in the Western Morning News that the MOD were spending millions by renting private housing for service personnel whilst hundreds of their own houses remained empty and unused.It even reported that the whole accomodation at a motel had been rented by the MOD for returning troops.
Firstly, what a waste of resources and taxpayers money.
Secondly, I am one of many who are forced to pay Council Tax on an empty property (despite working to renovate it). This is used as an  'incentive' to get the property back into occupation considering the 'shortage' of property (although there is no shortage when it comes to the multiple homes MPs happen to have especially former Labour PMs, what is it- 7 at last count)
Does the MOD  have to pay Council Tax on living quarters? If so why isn't the same 'incentive' or penalty used on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t many weeks ago that I read in the Western Morning News that the MOD were spending millions by renting private housing for service personnel whilst hundreds of their own houses remained empty and unused.It even reported that the whole accomodation at a motel had been rented by the MOD for returning troops.<br />
Firstly, what a waste of resources and taxpayers money.<br />
Secondly, I am one of many who are forced to pay Council Tax on an empty property (despite working to renovate it). This is used as an  &#8216;incentive&#8217; to get the property back into occupation considering the &#8217;shortage&#8217; of property (although there is no shortage when it comes to the multiple homes MPs happen to have especially former Labour PMs, what is it- 7 at last count)<br />
Does the MOD  have to pay Council Tax on living quarters? If so why isn&#8217;t the same &#8216;incentive&#8217; or penalty used on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a good idea John.  Far too complicated and it misses the reason why some military housing is poor.

1.  Military housing is not poorly maintained because a soldier does not own it but because the occupant does not own it.  This fact would not change under your proposal.  With trickle posting (the substitute for infantry arms plotting), the occupant of the house will rarely be the owner.  Now that the arms plot has stopped (or is in the final stages of being stopped), a soldier will rarely be sent to the same barracks more than once and it is not feasible for a soldier to be housed in Catterick garrison whilst serving in Tidworth garrison.

2.  Military housing is also poor in many areas because the house itself is so often made of prefabricated material and is the size of the most basic council house of the worst totalitarian design.  You know the ones I mean.  They are dotted around London and they remain in the major military garrisons.

3.  Military housing is also poor because the owner (Defence) simply does not invest enough in the property.  That is down to two things:  first, money as it always is which is easily remedied by reallocating the enormous waste in public spending to defence, and the second reason is down to will.  Defence often tries to keep property up and running but they simply fail on too many occasions because those responsible do not have the motivation to do it well.  Ironically, the ceasing of the arms plot might just have the effect you desire.  Now that all units and regiments are tied to a particular barracks and as they gain a personal and professional attachment to their accommodation you can bet they will begin to focus more effort on improving standards.  It is no coincidence that much of the poor housing went to infantry units that moved location from every 2 to 7 years.

4.  Finally, I agree that soldiers would benefit from investing for the future but why would you propose they invest in property when the value is on the way down and likely to remain stagnant for some time to come?  This seems like a scheme to give undue and potentially damaging encouragement to invest in a particular asset type: property.  If anything, soldiers need to be encouraged to invest wisely in whatever asset class is best at the time for their future prosperity.  And if it is right for them to invest in property, why would you encourage a system where they are encouraged to invest in military property?  Surely it does not matter where they invest and perhaps they would like to buy a house where they think they may retire at the end of their career?

I commend your concern for military personnel and your attempt to improve military accommodation but your plan seems a little misplaced to me.

Yes, accommodation needs to be improved but the owner, defence, needs to do the improving with more finance, a better attitude and better houses built in the first place.  And yes, soldiers need to be encouraged to invest for their future but in a way that does not distort their market leading them to invest in assets that may not be the best for them.

Reply: You make some good points. My proposal offers soldiers an option, related to married quarters especially where the quality of the underlying house is often better. In most years buying a house is a good way to help save, but I agree that this year is not a good year. it will take time for the government to set the scheme up. I have linked the proposal to a home barracks approach, so soldiers would always come back to the same barracks, and their wives and children or husbands and children could stay there whilst they undertook tours of duty abroad if they wished.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a good idea John.  Far too complicated and it misses the reason why some military housing is poor.</p>
<p>1.  Military housing is not poorly maintained because a soldier does not own it but because the occupant does not own it.  This fact would not change under your proposal.  With trickle posting (the substitute for infantry arms plotting), the occupant of the house will rarely be the owner.  Now that the arms plot has stopped (or is in the final stages of being stopped), a soldier will rarely be sent to the same barracks more than once and it is not feasible for a soldier to be housed in Catterick garrison whilst serving in Tidworth garrison.</p>
<p>2.  Military housing is also poor in many areas because the house itself is so often made of prefabricated material and is the size of the most basic council house of the worst totalitarian design.  You know the ones I mean.  They are dotted around London and they remain in the major military garrisons.</p>
<p>3.  Military housing is also poor because the owner (Defence) simply does not invest enough in the property.  That is down to two things:  first, money as it always is which is easily remedied by reallocating the enormous waste in public spending to defence, and the second reason is down to will.  Defence often tries to keep property up and running but they simply fail on too many occasions because those responsible do not have the motivation to do it well.  Ironically, the ceasing of the arms plot might just have the effect you desire.  Now that all units and regiments are tied to a particular barracks and as they gain a personal and professional attachment to their accommodation you can bet they will begin to focus more effort on improving standards.  It is no coincidence that much of the poor housing went to infantry units that moved location from every 2 to 7 years.</p>
<p>4.  Finally, I agree that soldiers would benefit from investing for the future but why would you propose they invest in property when the value is on the way down and likely to remain stagnant for some time to come?  This seems like a scheme to give undue and potentially damaging encouragement to invest in a particular asset type: property.  If anything, soldiers need to be encouraged to invest wisely in whatever asset class is best at the time for their future prosperity.  And if it is right for them to invest in property, why would you encourage a system where they are encouraged to invest in military property?  Surely it does not matter where they invest and perhaps they would like to buy a house where they think they may retire at the end of their career?</p>
<p>I commend your concern for military personnel and your attempt to improve military accommodation but your plan seems a little misplaced to me.</p>
<p>Yes, accommodation needs to be improved but the owner, defence, needs to do the improving with more finance, a better attitude and better houses built in the first place.  And yes, soldiers need to be encouraged to invest for their future but in a way that does not distort their market leading them to invest in assets that may not be the best for them.</p>
<p>Reply: You make some good points. My proposal offers soldiers an option, related to married quarters especially where the quality of the underlying house is often better. In most years buying a house is a good way to help save, but I agree that this year is not a good year. it will take time for the government to set the scheme up. I have linked the proposal to a home barracks approach, so soldiers would always come back to the same barracks, and their wives and children or husbands and children could stay there whilst they undertook tours of duty abroad if they wished.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 09:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done.  How would it work for bachelors?  They are vulnerable to destitution after their service, one of the many distressing things about life under New Labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done.  How would it work for bachelors?  They are vulnerable to destitution after their service, one of the many distressing things about life under New Labour.</p>
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		<title>By: lucysharp</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 09:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you for championing the cause of the armed services, but I think the scheme you have proposed might be too complicated. When a unit moves there can be hundreds of families changing quarters at the same time, to be replaced by others from the incoming unit. The administration of tenancies and possible sales in those circumstances would be very time-consuming and expensive. I would prefer to see the money that they presently pay as rent for their quarters given back to them on leaving or, better still, for them not to have to pay it in the first place. While on the subject of service life, a recent report also suggested that the Pay As You Dine system is not working as well as it might. While it was hoped that it would be an improvement on the former system, it seems that it has resulted in poorer quality meals and hungrier soldiers (sailors, airpersons etc.). Would it be so unthinkable for three free square meals a day to be provided by the cookhouse as part of the terms and conditions of service? We ask an enormous amount of men and women who join up. The least we can do is feed and house them as part of the deal. 

I should add that I am not anything to do with the armed forces, just someone who has been shocked at the attitude of this government and who hopes that the conservatives will do better by them.

Reply&#124;: yes, the meal arrangements also need improving. Please see comment above on housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for championing the cause of the armed services, but I think the scheme you have proposed might be too complicated. When a unit moves there can be hundreds of families changing quarters at the same time, to be replaced by others from the incoming unit. The administration of tenancies and possible sales in those circumstances would be very time-consuming and expensive. I would prefer to see the money that they presently pay as rent for their quarters given back to them on leaving or, better still, for them not to have to pay it in the first place. While on the subject of service life, a recent report also suggested that the Pay As You Dine system is not working as well as it might. While it was hoped that it would be an improvement on the former system, it seems that it has resulted in poorer quality meals and hungrier soldiers (sailors, airpersons etc.). Would it be so unthinkable for three free square meals a day to be provided by the cookhouse as part of the terms and conditions of service? We ask an enormous amount of men and women who join up. The least we can do is feed and house them as part of the deal. </p>
<p>I should add that I am not anything to do with the armed forces, just someone who has been shocked at the attitude of this government and who hopes that the conservatives will do better by them.</p>
<p>Reply|: yes, the meal arrangements also need improving. Please see comment above on housing.</p>
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