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		<title>By: Carsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carsen</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Reply:............If we have a sharp fall in house prices there will be bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes etc. I am surprised you want that.&quot;
I want house prices to fall to represent building costs and provide affordability. Any one at work should be allowed to afford some form of shelter.
If the falls mean that certain factions suffer, then so be it. Myself, and many others, being unable to pay these hyper inflated prices is due to the gross mismanagement for the years the bubble was allowed to inflate. We the people were not protected.
I look forward to a total collapse in house prices. It will serve us right and may we learn the lesson. albeit the hardway.
Using bricks and mortar as an investment is wrong, and we need to take this on board and make it part of our culture for the good of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Reply:&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;If we have a sharp fall in house prices there will be bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes etc. I am surprised you want that.&#8221;<br />
I want house prices to fall to represent building costs and provide affordability. Any one at work should be allowed to afford some form of shelter.<br />
If the falls mean that certain factions suffer, then so be it. Myself, and many others, being unable to pay these hyper inflated prices is due to the gross mismanagement for the years the bubble was allowed to inflate. We the people were not protected.<br />
I look forward to a total collapse in house prices. It will serve us right and may we learn the lesson. albeit the hardway.<br />
Using bricks and mortar as an investment is wrong, and we need to take this on board and make it part of our culture for the good of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 07:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economic mess we and the rest of the West are in needs to be sorted once and for all.  Slight tweaks to the interest rate in either direction will not solve the fundamental underlying problems.

The first step should be to for us to draw up a UK national emergency plan to deal with the following issues:-

Regain control of the money supply from the global merchant bankers.

Start the long and difficult task of returning our currency to the gold standard.

Disentangle the UK from the UN, NATO and the EEC, as these bodies prevent us managing our own country and impinge our civil freedoms.

Stop wasting money on our useless nuclear deterrent, and invest the money saved in building a strong, well equipped &#039;home defense&#039; army and police force capable of upholding our laws.
 
Pull our troops out of Iran and Afghanistan and stop interfering in the politics of other countries, we do not have any right try to impose our brand of â€˜shamocracyâ€™ on all the countries of the world.

Stop the phony &#039;War on Terror&#039; â€“ anyone stirring up an hornets nest deserves to be stung.  As we know from our experiences in Northern Ireland, these matters are only resolved by negotiation, not guns.

Invest significant resource in the quick development of nuclear fusion reactors to meet our long-term need for cheap, clean power.

Stop the high levels of immigration and only invite people who can contribute their skills or wealth to our country to work here.

Bring honesty and integrity back to UK politics and stop the media cartels manipulating the UK public so that they, along with the bankers, become the real arbiters of how our country is run.

Stop treating the UK public like children, who&#039;s every need must  be met by all invasive government.  Most of us are quite capable of looking after ourselves.  Think context, not content when dealing with UK issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economic mess we and the rest of the West are in needs to be sorted once and for all.  Slight tweaks to the interest rate in either direction will not solve the fundamental underlying problems.</p>
<p>The first step should be to for us to draw up a UK national emergency plan to deal with the following issues:-</p>
<p>Regain control of the money supply from the global merchant bankers.</p>
<p>Start the long and difficult task of returning our currency to the gold standard.</p>
<p>Disentangle the UK from the UN, NATO and the EEC, as these bodies prevent us managing our own country and impinge our civil freedoms.</p>
<p>Stop wasting money on our useless nuclear deterrent, and invest the money saved in building a strong, well equipped &#8216;home defense&#8217; army and police force capable of upholding our laws.</p>
<p>Pull our troops out of Iran and Afghanistan and stop interfering in the politics of other countries, we do not have any right try to impose our brand of â€˜shamocracyâ€™ on all the countries of the world.</p>
<p>Stop the phony &#8216;War on Terror&#8217; â€“ anyone stirring up an hornets nest deserves to be stung.  As we know from our experiences in Northern Ireland, these matters are only resolved by negotiation, not guns.</p>
<p>Invest significant resource in the quick development of nuclear fusion reactors to meet our long-term need for cheap, clean power.</p>
<p>Stop the high levels of immigration and only invite people who can contribute their skills or wealth to our country to work here.</p>
<p>Bring honesty and integrity back to UK politics and stop the media cartels manipulating the UK public so that they, along with the bankers, become the real arbiters of how our country is run.</p>
<p>Stop treating the UK public like children, who&#8217;s every need must  be met by all invasive government.  Most of us are quite capable of looking after ourselves.  Think context, not content when dealing with UK issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John
Sorry but I am not getting your argument about nationalising land.  DBC put it better than I (above) and I would add that land planning is THE major issue for any government to sort out.

Land planning law is a mess.  As a ex local councillor, I have seen the results at many Planning and Development committee meetings.  Numerous conflicts between national planning &quot;guidance&quot; diktats and local citizens desires, expressed through their Councillors.  The requirement for PPS 12 Local Development Frameworks, just added insult to injury.

Land owners / Developers all know that making a local planning application is just the stage before you go to appeal to some Inspector in Bristol who will decide the application according to Whitehall rules!  As he does with LDF submissions, his  (Whitehall&#039;s) word is final.  We already have &quot;nationalised land&quot;.

LVT will not change this on its own; but, it will force owners to think about holding land out of the economy for decades.  It will force planning authorities to think about the land value impact of their decisions and how local tax payers can get a share of it - they are not allowed to at present - the ballot box will tell them if they are getting it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John<br />
Sorry but I am not getting your argument about nationalising land.  DBC put it better than I (above) and I would add that land planning is THE major issue for any government to sort out.</p>
<p>Land planning law is a mess.  As a ex local councillor, I have seen the results at many Planning and Development committee meetings.  Numerous conflicts between national planning &#8220;guidance&#8221; diktats and local citizens desires, expressed through their Councillors.  The requirement for PPS 12 Local Development Frameworks, just added insult to injury.</p>
<p>Land owners / Developers all know that making a local planning application is just the stage before you go to appeal to some Inspector in Bristol who will decide the application according to Whitehall rules!  As he does with LDF submissions, his  (Whitehall&#8217;s) word is final.  We already have &#8220;nationalised land&#8221;.</p>
<p>LVT will not change this on its own; but, it will force owners to think about holding land out of the economy for decades.  It will force planning authorities to think about the land value impact of their decisions and how local tax payers can get a share of it &#8211; they are not allowed to at present &#8211; the ballot box will tell them if they are getting it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My misgivings over replying to &quot;a reply&quot; are overcome by the fairly 
serious misunderstandings that have arisen.
Nobody is talking about nationalising land. Where has this notion come from? Land tax no more nationalises land than corporation tax nationalises business.
Reframed in the terms that were being discussed: the question beomes how does LVT increase the supply of land for development?
The answer would appear to be pretty obvious: people banking land would either have to bring it into use or pay a carry cost for keeping it out of use.
The Royal Town Planning Institute published figures showing that there is enough land locked up in developers&#039; land banks to meet supply targets for new housing in London for six years.They went on to accuse the developers of deliberately restricting supply to keep up prices.
There are hundreds of thousands of empty homes according to the Empty Homes Agency .(There should be an empty land agency).
On a local level , most people know valuable sites which can be collaterlised as loans, that have stood empty for years (or a generation in my town).
And then there is asset stripping by which largish local firms employing hundreds of people with a large turn-over but low profit margin get bought out by  private equity operators who first off sell the factories for conversion into luxury ( i.e.very small) apartments.
The whole post-war asset -stripping farrago derives from the fact that inflated land values are an easier way of making money than providing goods and services. 
LVT provides a means of creating a high wage/ low accommodation cost economy.When the euphoria of Crewe is over, Conservatives must needs  think about their current offer to the public: we can&#039;t get you good wages but we can make sure your house goes up in value. It looks like the banks have called time on that one.

reply: Land Value taxes amount to nationalising land, as the government decides on how the land should be used and prices its accordingly. The owner no longer takes the lead in  determining how to use it. Govwernment can then take people (and businesses) out of house and home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My misgivings over replying to &#8220;a reply&#8221; are overcome by the fairly<br />
serious misunderstandings that have arisen.<br />
Nobody is talking about nationalising land. Where has this notion come from? Land tax no more nationalises land than corporation tax nationalises business.<br />
Reframed in the terms that were being discussed: the question beomes how does LVT increase the supply of land for development?<br />
The answer would appear to be pretty obvious: people banking land would either have to bring it into use or pay a carry cost for keeping it out of use.<br />
The Royal Town Planning Institute published figures showing that there is enough land locked up in developers&#8217; land banks to meet supply targets for new housing in London for six years.They went on to accuse the developers of deliberately restricting supply to keep up prices.<br />
There are hundreds of thousands of empty homes according to the Empty Homes Agency .(There should be an empty land agency).<br />
On a local level , most people know valuable sites which can be collaterlised as loans, that have stood empty for years (or a generation in my town).<br />
And then there is asset stripping by which largish local firms employing hundreds of people with a large turn-over but low profit margin get bought out by  private equity operators who first off sell the factories for conversion into luxury ( i.e.very small) apartments.<br />
The whole post-war asset -stripping farrago derives from the fact that inflated land values are an easier way of making money than providing goods and services.<br />
LVT provides a means of creating a high wage/ low accommodation cost economy.When the euphoria of Crewe is over, Conservatives must needs  think about their current offer to the public: we can&#8217;t get you good wages but we can make sure your house goes up in value. It looks like the banks have called time on that one.</p>
<p>reply: Land Value taxes amount to nationalising land, as the government decides on how the land should be used and prices its accordingly. The owner no longer takes the lead in  determining how to use it. Govwernment can then take people (and businesses) out of house and home.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 06:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be the epilogue for this thread - notice that house and petrol prices still bring in the longest threads!

Land Value Tax - which will start out as a property value tax; if we adopt it - is for me the answer.  It could replace Council tax and inheritance tax, even Business Rates.

The concept of sitting on a plot of land, that was bought for peanuts; watching its value go up because of private and public investment all around it; at no cost to the owner, is unfair to all taxpayers and local council finances.

LVT would put an annual cost on holding this land out of the economy.  As said above, it is relatively easy to get back to the land value - not the development &quot;residual&quot; land value - from the property value. 

Apart from increasing the supply of land into the market, it will reduce its price.  And, it may even cross the mind of the local planning committee that the more land they zone for development, the richer their council becomes.

Reply: Why does nationalising land increase its supply - everything else nationalised reduces supply and raises price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be the epilogue for this thread &#8211; notice that house and petrol prices still bring in the longest threads!</p>
<p>Land Value Tax &#8211; which will start out as a property value tax; if we adopt it &#8211; is for me the answer.  It could replace Council tax and inheritance tax, even Business Rates.</p>
<p>The concept of sitting on a plot of land, that was bought for peanuts; watching its value go up because of private and public investment all around it; at no cost to the owner, is unfair to all taxpayers and local council finances.</p>
<p>LVT would put an annual cost on holding this land out of the economy.  As said above, it is relatively easy to get back to the land value &#8211; not the development &#8220;residual&#8221; land value &#8211; from the property value. </p>
<p>Apart from increasing the supply of land into the market, it will reduce its price.  And, it may even cross the mind of the local planning committee that the more land they zone for development, the richer their council becomes.</p>
<p>Reply: Why does nationalising land increase its supply &#8211; everything else nationalised reduces supply and raises price.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to duck out now - but allow me to say that, I hope, we are all in favour of MUCH lower taxes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to duck out now &#8211; but allow me to say that, I hope, we are all in favour of MUCH lower taxes!</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would n&#039;t want to impugn the motives of Mike Stallard&#039;s father in law (or Mr Stallard himself) but the money that he put it to his house was very much less than what it is now worth.The difference is accounted for by the inflation in the land value , the bricks and mortar having been subject to depreciation ( A rough guide to what the building is worth can be gauged by looking up the ABI [ Association of British Insurers]Insurance re-build calculator which is on the Net. Subtracting this re-build value from the current market value gives you the land value) 
Of course up until 1963 Mr Stallard&#039;s father in law would have paid schedule A on the house i.e. a form of Income Tax proportionate to the rental value of the property.John Redwood analysis of a tax like this is that it would serve to ruin the financial system  In fact, it tended to temper the effect of MIRAS which was still in operation (and still is in the US ) but shortly afterwards the Tory Mods  had a giveaway budget which in the absence of Schedule A and credit controls led house prices to go up 70% in two years, a secondary banking crisis then had to be quietly taken care of , followed by union trouble then ,worst of all, Thatcher. 
A local tax (or rate as they still call it) very similar to Schedule A is valued on the capital value of houses in Northern Ireland and a very effective form of LVT is levied in Harrisburg Pa. which has gone from second most poverty stricken city in the USA to one of the most prosperous. Doubtless Boris Johnson will view this successful raising of revenue and stimulus to business in the USA with the same horror at genuine not socialist radicalism  that grips Mr Redwood.

Reply: I want to live in a country where people are better off and can afford their own homes. That requires lower and fewer taxes, not higher and more taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would n&#8217;t want to impugn the motives of Mike Stallard&#8217;s father in law (or Mr Stallard himself) but the money that he put it to his house was very much less than what it is now worth.The difference is accounted for by the inflation in the land value , the bricks and mortar having been subject to depreciation ( A rough guide to what the building is worth can be gauged by looking up the ABI [ Association of British Insurers]Insurance re-build calculator which is on the Net. Subtracting this re-build value from the current market value gives you the land value)<br />
Of course up until 1963 Mr Stallard&#8217;s father in law would have paid schedule A on the house i.e. a form of Income Tax proportionate to the rental value of the property.John Redwood analysis of a tax like this is that it would serve to ruin the financial system  In fact, it tended to temper the effect of MIRAS which was still in operation (and still is in the US ) but shortly afterwards the Tory Mods  had a giveaway budget which in the absence of Schedule A and credit controls led house prices to go up 70% in two years, a secondary banking crisis then had to be quietly taken care of , followed by union trouble then ,worst of all, Thatcher.<br />
A local tax (or rate as they still call it) very similar to Schedule A is valued on the capital value of houses in Northern Ireland and a very effective form of LVT is levied in Harrisburg Pa. which has gone from second most poverty stricken city in the USA to one of the most prosperous. Doubtless Boris Johnson will view this successful raising of revenue and stimulus to business in the USA with the same horror at genuine not socialist radicalism  that grips Mr Redwood.</p>
<p>Reply: I want to live in a country where people are better off and can afford their own homes. That requires lower and fewer taxes, not higher and more taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 16:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about the strangely bearded Henry George, the Physiocrats,  and the Liberals. Every State in the US, apparently, uses the land tax which is, so they say, better than our council tax (which taxes the improvements people make on their property so that they are discouraged from improving their properties!) My problem with it is this: does an acre - sorry hectaire - of fine Scottish heather equal a hectaire of London concrete?
My father in law worked all his life as a teacher in the state system except for the Second World War when he was in Bomber Command. As the Reply said, he invested his money in property. He spent his salary on that.  Money, after all, reflects value. I am sorry, but I cannot myself see why this is either wrong morally or wrong mathematically. You see, like the Â£20 note, I believe in Adam Smith and the invisible hand.
I am also sure that a land tax would be seen, at least by the present government, as an additional rather than as a stand alone form of taxation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thoroughly enjoyed reading about the strangely bearded Henry George, the Physiocrats,  and the Liberals. Every State in the US, apparently, uses the land tax which is, so they say, better than our council tax (which taxes the improvements people make on their property so that they are discouraged from improving their properties!) My problem with it is this: does an acre &#8211; sorry hectaire &#8211; of fine Scottish heather equal a hectaire of London concrete?<br />
My father in law worked all his life as a teacher in the state system except for the Second World War when he was in Bomber Command. As the Reply said, he invested his money in property. He spent his salary on that.  Money, after all, reflects value. I am sorry, but I cannot myself see why this is either wrong morally or wrong mathematically. You see, like the Â£20 note, I believe in Adam Smith and the invisible hand.<br />
I am also sure that a land tax would be seen, at least by the present government, as an additional rather than as a stand alone form of taxation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 14:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just doesn&#039;t makes sense, does it John? You and your political colleagues (of whatever hue) effectively regard the housing market as the business that is too big to be allowed to fall, so you make policy on the fly to cosset it. 

i.e., &quot;...bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes...&quot;

However, your new-found concern (never evident when you were in power) fools no-one, and look at the consequences: savers lose out (indeed, saving is dicouraged while debt is encouraged), first-time buyers are squeezed out of home ownership in favour of BTL investors, low interest rates cause the economy to inflate in every other area, and for what? So that political parties and financial institutions can coast along on a feel-good factor largely predicated on debt and the illusion of prosperity. At least the ECB is keeping its powder dry.

Watch the economy fly when a house can be bought for Â£50,000 again -- you will never see so much spending (of real money). Get interest rates up and people will only borrow what they can afford; thankfully, it looks like the banks will force this issue through self-interest, by only lending to secure borrowers / those with deposits.

I don&#039;t think we can expect a reasoned response from the politician here but it is encouraging to see so much common sense from individual people. If only economic policy had the same, we might see our individual and societal propensity for greed also reigned in.

However, I think we all remember what the Conservatives said of society in their last term in office.

I wonder if Vince Cable has a blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just doesn&#8217;t makes sense, does it John? You and your political colleagues (of whatever hue) effectively regard the housing market as the business that is too big to be allowed to fall, so you make policy on the fly to cosset it. </p>
<p>i.e., &#8220;&#8230;bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>However, your new-found concern (never evident when you were in power) fools no-one, and look at the consequences: savers lose out (indeed, saving is dicouraged while debt is encouraged), first-time buyers are squeezed out of home ownership in favour of BTL investors, low interest rates cause the economy to inflate in every other area, and for what? So that political parties and financial institutions can coast along on a feel-good factor largely predicated on debt and the illusion of prosperity. At least the ECB is keeping its powder dry.</p>
<p>Watch the economy fly when a house can be bought for Â£50,000 again &#8212; you will never see so much spending (of real money). Get interest rates up and people will only borrow what they can afford; thankfully, it looks like the banks will force this issue through self-interest, by only lending to secure borrowers / those with deposits.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can expect a reasoned response from the politician here but it is encouraging to see so much common sense from individual people. If only economic policy had the same, we might see our individual and societal propensity for greed also reigned in.</p>
<p>However, I think we all remember what the Conservatives said of society in their last term in office.</p>
<p>I wonder if Vince Cable has a blog?</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/17/why-has-the-government-and-the-bank-of-england-failed-us-on-inflation/#comment-20658</link>
		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 10:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Stallard is in error if he thinks he is living off the capital his in-laws invested in their house . 
Most of the increased capital value of the house is  the result of public/ private action improving the area and inflation from the Gov&#039;s efforts to stimulate the economy being diverted into the property market where it puts up the price of  land.
Until the community reclaims the land values which they, not the owner-occupiers ,have created, house prices will continue to go up and down like boats in a harbour being lifted by underlying forces beyond their control. 
John Redwood calls for stability in the housing market but this is not possible when houses sit on land which goes up in value more quickly than the national rate of inflation which is produced by variations in the ratio of prices and incomes and measured by the customary  indices.
If John Redwood really seeks house price stability he needs to strip the land value off the price of the house by a Land Value Tax to stop houses teetering on an economic inflatable.
As this would be risky for the Conservatives on their own, they need to join in All-Party action in the Commons (as for instance Dave Wetzel&#039;s APPG on LVT) and rid the country of the scourge of house price inflation.

Reply: This old scheme (originaloly proposed by henry George) would create economic chaos. the whole banking system is based on land and property values and people have paid good money to buy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Stallard is in error if he thinks he is living off the capital his in-laws invested in their house .<br />
Most of the increased capital value of the house is  the result of public/ private action improving the area and inflation from the Gov&#8217;s efforts to stimulate the economy being diverted into the property market where it puts up the price of  land.<br />
Until the community reclaims the land values which they, not the owner-occupiers ,have created, house prices will continue to go up and down like boats in a harbour being lifted by underlying forces beyond their control.<br />
John Redwood calls for stability in the housing market but this is not possible when houses sit on land which goes up in value more quickly than the national rate of inflation which is produced by variations in the ratio of prices and incomes and measured by the customary  indices.<br />
If John Redwood really seeks house price stability he needs to strip the land value off the price of the house by a Land Value Tax to stop houses teetering on an economic inflatable.<br />
As this would be risky for the Conservatives on their own, they need to join in All-Party action in the Commons (as for instance Dave Wetzel&#8217;s APPG on LVT) and rid the country of the scourge of house price inflation.</p>
<p>Reply: This old scheme (originaloly proposed by henry George) would create economic chaos. the whole banking system is based on land and property values and people have paid good money to buy them.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before it gets nasty.....
I am living off the money which my in laws saved for us by investing all they had in their house. I think, looking round, that a lot of people have their capital tied up in houses. So they don&#039;t want a fall in the price of houses.
Other people want to get onto the housing ladder. The lad next door has a steady girl friend and would like to go and live with her and start a family. But no, he has to stay at home with Mum and Dad breathing down his neck. He wants a fall in house prices.
Another friend wants to move to another house. She doesn&#039;t much care what the prices are because she sells up her old house and buys a new one with the cash (except, of course, she cannot get a mortgage at the moment.)
So, isn&#039;t this a case of swings and roundabouts?
Renting? Fantastic. I did it for a long time. We were evicted three times in all. Twice when I changed jobs (house came with the job) and once because my landlord wanted to sell the house. When it works, of course, it is lovely. But you aren&#039;t your own master.
And as for the Labour swindle of Council housing - I hate that. It makes citizens into patients/clients/suspects/losers. 
So, what&#039;s the answer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before it gets nasty&#8230;..<br />
I am living off the money which my in laws saved for us by investing all they had in their house. I think, looking round, that a lot of people have their capital tied up in houses. So they don&#8217;t want a fall in the price of houses.<br />
Other people want to get onto the housing ladder. The lad next door has a steady girl friend and would like to go and live with her and start a family. But no, he has to stay at home with Mum and Dad breathing down his neck. He wants a fall in house prices.<br />
Another friend wants to move to another house. She doesn&#8217;t much care what the prices are because she sells up her old house and buys a new one with the cash (except, of course, she cannot get a mortgage at the moment.)<br />
So, isn&#8217;t this a case of swings and roundabouts?<br />
Renting? Fantastic. I did it for a long time. We were evicted three times in all. Twice when I changed jobs (house came with the job) and once because my landlord wanted to sell the house. When it works, of course, it is lovely. But you aren&#8217;t your own master.<br />
And as for the Labour swindle of Council housing &#8211; I hate that. It makes citizens into patients/clients/suspects/losers.<br />
So, what&#8217;s the answer?</p>
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		<title>By: David Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote: &quot;It is unrealistic to suppose real house prices are going to fall as much as you want, without huge damage to the economy. You are the unrealistic one. I care about people, and their mortgages and commitments. Clearly you do not&quot;.

On the contrary John; I care considerably about my home and its people. I am simply incensed at the blithe responses of those empowered to govern. These are substantive issues: let&#039;s have a substantive response from you on them. 

You assert that falling house prices will result in &quot;...huge damage to the economy&quot;, yet this is baseless. If you bought a house to live in, it&#039;s current value is irrelevant and there is no reason to move when that value drops. What if you owe more on the mortgage than the house is worth (the dreaded negative equity)? The same can be said of all purchases (ask anyone who owns a car). It is a mistake to mould financial policy to bail out those who bought houses for other reasons -- a disgraceful state of affairs from the US that, like all things, is now being mimicked in the UK. Keeping interest rates low to sustain house prices puts the cost (or burden) of individual home ownership on the public purse. We heard no noise from these people when prices were going up and profits into pockets and remortgages, yet now the music is stopping it seems everyone else has to cover their mistakes -- the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of loss. If I were one of those who has made a bad financial call (it does not matter if I was badly advised -- I was the one who ultimately made the decision), it seems I can cry foul and put the burden onto someone else -- i.e., the lender (with a knock-on effect for everyone else the lender deals with, and the economy generally). Astonishingly, it is only because enough people bought homes they couldn&#039;t afford with money they didn&#039;t have that the taxpayer is expected to respond. In the context of free hand outs, we never hear about the renter who can&#039;t afford to get on the housing ladder, for whom falling house prices down to a reasonable multiple of income are a good thing. Where are the billions for them? Cash and tax gifts to bring these people up to the affordability level would soon cause the pips to squeak. One hundred billion pounds of &#039;liquidity&#039; to ease jitters in the financial world? How about the same sum spent on reinstating the housing stock that your party scattered to the market winds?

Think about things this way: how would it be if I had a preferential arrangement with the exchequer to buy up all the bread or milk and then sell it back to you at my price? Would you regard that as a morally acceptable situation for a government to put its people in? This is what throwing tax dodges and money at the private BTL investor (and the banks) has done.

Your thesis is flawed John. Britain does not grind to a halt when house prices are low, anymore than any of us are truly prosperous when they are high: making fixed rate mortgages the norm would consign boom and bust housing cycles to history. Re-read James Caffery&#039;s comment above about the BTL investor laughing in the face of government and the public to see the true losers in this. 

Yours is the politics of self-interest and discursive sops to those who vote you in and pay your wages. You don&#039;t engage; you just evade. A genuinely sorry state of affairs.

Reply: I do not evade. I give clear answers, some of which you disagree with. If we have a sharp fall in house prices there will be bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes etc. I am surprised you want that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote: &#8220;It is unrealistic to suppose real house prices are going to fall as much as you want, without huge damage to the economy. You are the unrealistic one. I care about people, and their mortgages and commitments. Clearly you do not&#8221;.</p>
<p>On the contrary John; I care considerably about my home and its people. I am simply incensed at the blithe responses of those empowered to govern. These are substantive issues: let&#8217;s have a substantive response from you on them. </p>
<p>You assert that falling house prices will result in &#8220;&#8230;huge damage to the economy&#8221;, yet this is baseless. If you bought a house to live in, it&#8217;s current value is irrelevant and there is no reason to move when that value drops. What if you owe more on the mortgage than the house is worth (the dreaded negative equity)? The same can be said of all purchases (ask anyone who owns a car). It is a mistake to mould financial policy to bail out those who bought houses for other reasons &#8212; a disgraceful state of affairs from the US that, like all things, is now being mimicked in the UK. Keeping interest rates low to sustain house prices puts the cost (or burden) of individual home ownership on the public purse. We heard no noise from these people when prices were going up and profits into pockets and remortgages, yet now the music is stopping it seems everyone else has to cover their mistakes &#8212; the privatisation of profit and the socialisation of loss. If I were one of those who has made a bad financial call (it does not matter if I was badly advised &#8212; I was the one who ultimately made the decision), it seems I can cry foul and put the burden onto someone else &#8212; i.e., the lender (with a knock-on effect for everyone else the lender deals with, and the economy generally). Astonishingly, it is only because enough people bought homes they couldn&#8217;t afford with money they didn&#8217;t have that the taxpayer is expected to respond. In the context of free hand outs, we never hear about the renter who can&#8217;t afford to get on the housing ladder, for whom falling house prices down to a reasonable multiple of income are a good thing. Where are the billions for them? Cash and tax gifts to bring these people up to the affordability level would soon cause the pips to squeak. One hundred billion pounds of &#8216;liquidity&#8217; to ease jitters in the financial world? How about the same sum spent on reinstating the housing stock that your party scattered to the market winds?</p>
<p>Think about things this way: how would it be if I had a preferential arrangement with the exchequer to buy up all the bread or milk and then sell it back to you at my price? Would you regard that as a morally acceptable situation for a government to put its people in? This is what throwing tax dodges and money at the private BTL investor (and the banks) has done.</p>
<p>Your thesis is flawed John. Britain does not grind to a halt when house prices are low, anymore than any of us are truly prosperous when they are high: making fixed rate mortgages the norm would consign boom and bust housing cycles to history. Re-read James Caffery&#8217;s comment above about the BTL investor laughing in the face of government and the public to see the true losers in this. </p>
<p>Yours is the politics of self-interest and discursive sops to those who vote you in and pay your wages. You don&#8217;t engage; you just evade. A genuinely sorry state of affairs.</p>
<p>Reply: I do not evade. I give clear answers, some of which you disagree with. If we have a sharp fall in house prices there will be bankruptcies in the housebuilding and related industries and services, job losses, reduction in the number of new homes etc. I am surprised you want that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 17:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Mr Redwood, I am truly disappointed with your responses to the issues I and others have raised on this page about inflation. In all honesty, I wonder why you maintain a blog -- or indeed that you have any influence in affairs of government with simplistic answers such as these:

Quote: &quot;Houses do need to become more affordable - that is best achieved by a period of no house price growth so wages can catch up&quot;. 

Indeed? So you are content to wait a century for that to happen, house prices having risen 300% in the last decade while wages have only risen ~ 30% in the same period?

Responses such as this confirm what I have only dared to suspect previously -- that people like me could probably govern better than people like you. The quack and the charletan are alive and well in the world of politics. No wonder people don&#039;t vote any more.

Reply: It is unrealistic to suppose real house prices are going to fall as much as you want, without huge damage to the economy. You are the unrealistic one. I care about people, and their mortgages and commitments. Clearly you do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Mr Redwood, I am truly disappointed with your responses to the issues I and others have raised on this page about inflation. In all honesty, I wonder why you maintain a blog &#8212; or indeed that you have any influence in affairs of government with simplistic answers such as these:</p>
<p>Quote: &#8220;Houses do need to become more affordable &#8211; that is best achieved by a period of no house price growth so wages can catch up&#8221;. </p>
<p>Indeed? So you are content to wait a century for that to happen, house prices having risen 300% in the last decade while wages have only risen ~ 30% in the same period?</p>
<p>Responses such as this confirm what I have only dared to suspect previously &#8212; that people like me could probably govern better than people like you. The quack and the charletan are alive and well in the world of politics. No wonder people don&#8217;t vote any more.</p>
<p>Reply: It is unrealistic to suppose real house prices are going to fall as much as you want, without huge damage to the economy. You are the unrealistic one. I care about people, and their mortgages and commitments. Clearly you do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Anthony says the GDP deflator has tracked the CPI/RPI quite closely, so if inflation has been overstated by (say) 1-2% every year then basically we&#039;ve had zero growth for years now, and are GDP is overstated by tens of percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Anthony says the GDP deflator has tracked the CPI/RPI quite closely, so if inflation has been overstated by (say) 1-2% every year then basically we&#8217;ve had zero growth for years now, and are GDP is overstated by tens of percent.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob is wrong to suggest the Conservatives were not pointing these things out, we just didn&#039;t get a hearing because the media was star-struck by New Labour.

We did point out that the &quot;independence&quot; of the Bank and creation of the FSA and the split of responsibilities was potentially dangerous. We did highlight the shift to 2% CPI from 2.5% RPIx was actually a loosening of the inflation regime. We have highlighted every year since 2001 the fact that Brown and now Darling, have missed their budget targets and had to borrow more and more and more.

Vince Cable may have got some prominence for a good joke over Northern Rock, but I don&#039;t recall him making much impact when Kennedy was in charge of the LDs? Right up to 2005 all they could do then was bleat about Iraq!

In truth, the economy is like a ball in the middle of a big ring, attached to it by three big pieces of elastic: interest rates, exchange rates and Government spending and borrowing. If the Government is profligate and over-spends and over-borrows, the exchange rate and interest rates will take the strain. That is clearly happening now and the root cause of the problem is excessive growth in Government spending. 

I recently listened to a radio programme, I think about 1968, and the Civil Service going on strike because they had not had a pay rise for 2 years. Imagine what would happen if we tried that now? The sad truth is, we need a cash freeze, ie a real terms cut, in Government spending, to force efficiencies into the big spending departments. Boris Johnson has shown the way with his slashing of the PR budget to pay for uniformed officers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob is wrong to suggest the Conservatives were not pointing these things out, we just didn&#8217;t get a hearing because the media was star-struck by New Labour.</p>
<p>We did point out that the &#8220;independence&#8221; of the Bank and creation of the FSA and the split of responsibilities was potentially dangerous. We did highlight the shift to 2% CPI from 2.5% RPIx was actually a loosening of the inflation regime. We have highlighted every year since 2001 the fact that Brown and now Darling, have missed their budget targets and had to borrow more and more and more.</p>
<p>Vince Cable may have got some prominence for a good joke over Northern Rock, but I don&#8217;t recall him making much impact when Kennedy was in charge of the LDs? Right up to 2005 all they could do then was bleat about Iraq!</p>
<p>In truth, the economy is like a ball in the middle of a big ring, attached to it by three big pieces of elastic: interest rates, exchange rates and Government spending and borrowing. If the Government is profligate and over-spends and over-borrows, the exchange rate and interest rates will take the strain. That is clearly happening now and the root cause of the problem is excessive growth in Government spending. </p>
<p>I recently listened to a radio programme, I think about 1968, and the Civil Service going on strike because they had not had a pay rise for 2 years. Imagine what would happen if we tried that now? The sad truth is, we need a cash freeze, ie a real terms cut, in Government spending, to force efficiencies into the big spending departments. Boris Johnson has shown the way with his slashing of the PR budget to pay for uniformed officers.</p>
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		<title>By: David Belchamber</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Belchamber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 10:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a huge amount to agree with in your article and one minor correction, I think. The para beginning &quot;The change to the RPI...&quot;, should read (I believe) &quot;The change from the RPI...&quot;

I agree with others here that the conservatives must accept some criticism over the years for letting Brown get away with so much, especially with constantly trumpeting his &quot;fake facts&quot; about inflation, interest rates and the level of unemployment, so that many people believe him to have been a superb chancellor.

I would also have liked us to have been stronger on regulating irresponsible lenders over the years. I know we believe in letting the markets dictate but lenders should not have been allowed to lend to people way beyond their ability to repay.

Properties are now seen to be much more of an investment than a roof over our heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge amount to agree with in your article and one minor correction, I think. The para beginning &#8220;The change to the RPI&#8230;&#8221;, should read (I believe) &#8220;The change from the RPI&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree with others here that the conservatives must accept some criticism over the years for letting Brown get away with so much, especially with constantly trumpeting his &#8220;fake facts&#8221; about inflation, interest rates and the level of unemployment, so that many people believe him to have been a superb chancellor.</p>
<p>I would also have liked us to have been stronger on regulating irresponsible lenders over the years. I know we believe in letting the markets dictate but lenders should not have been allowed to lend to people way beyond their ability to repay.</p>
<p>Properties are now seen to be much more of an investment than a roof over our heads.</p>
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		<title>By: James Caffery</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Caffery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 10:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Page is absolutely right. It is madness to encourage BTL in a country whose housing supply is so restricted. A friend of mine is a BTL landlord who has been able to acquire 60 properties over the last ten years. He literally laughs at how easy the government has made it for him to get &quot;money for nothing&quot;. It is perfectly sensible to want a country that is a &quot;property owning democracy&quot;, but it is insane to make it easy for those who already own property to expand their share of the finite supply. If you have millions of would-be first time buyers locked out of the market, you have a generation who feels alienated, stakeless and betrayed, while the greedy prosper at their expense. It is no wonder so many young Britons are emigrating. (I left the country several years ago and have no intention of returning while the UK remains a place where speculators prosper while those doing real wealth-generating work are financial suckers.)

Reply: Like you I prefer owning to renting, so I would myself give any  incentives to owner occupiers rather than to landlords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Page is absolutely right. It is madness to encourage BTL in a country whose housing supply is so restricted. A friend of mine is a BTL landlord who has been able to acquire 60 properties over the last ten years. He literally laughs at how easy the government has made it for him to get &#8220;money for nothing&#8221;. It is perfectly sensible to want a country that is a &#8220;property owning democracy&#8221;, but it is insane to make it easy for those who already own property to expand their share of the finite supply. If you have millions of would-be first time buyers locked out of the market, you have a generation who feels alienated, stakeless and betrayed, while the greedy prosper at their expense. It is no wonder so many young Britons are emigrating. (I left the country several years ago and have no intention of returning while the UK remains a place where speculators prosper while those doing real wealth-generating work are financial suckers.)</p>
<p>Reply: Like you I prefer owning to renting, so I would myself give any  incentives to owner occupiers rather than to landlords.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Christiansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Christiansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 09:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at all the comments and replies, it seems to me that you are suggesting that it would be a good thing if house prices simply stopped growing, and wages caught up.  I see a few problems:

1) with the huge increase in prices since 2000, I&#039;ll have retired and passed on long before my wages catch up with house prices. 

2) given the stagnation in non-home equity gains-based income for normal people over the last 5 years or so, how do you propose to keep the economy going, and therefore grow wages, without house prices rising?  Sounds to me like you want your cake to have and eat.

3) Every article I read says that wage inflation is the worst possible kind.  With every banker, politician, and CEO doing everything they can to keep wage increases at a minimum, how do you propose to discover this &#039;wage growth&#039; that we&#039;ll need to catch up to house prices?

Regarding interest rates, keeping rates high tries to avoid the toothpaste effect, and I think Mervyn&#039;s got it right.  We had a bubble in house prices, and nobody can deny that.  We&#039;re going to have to feel the pain - the question is how much pain do the banks share?

Reply: I welcome wage growth, which should be similar to productivity growth in the economy - it used to be around 2.5% real per annum, and may now only be around 1.5%. The Economic Policy Review looked at how we could lift the real growth rate, which would also lift real wages. I want people to earn more, not less, in a low inflaitonary environment so they can buy something with the extra wages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at all the comments and replies, it seems to me that you are suggesting that it would be a good thing if house prices simply stopped growing, and wages caught up.  I see a few problems:</p>
<p>1) with the huge increase in prices since 2000, I&#8217;ll have retired and passed on long before my wages catch up with house prices. </p>
<p>2) given the stagnation in non-home equity gains-based income for normal people over the last 5 years or so, how do you propose to keep the economy going, and therefore grow wages, without house prices rising?  Sounds to me like you want your cake to have and eat.</p>
<p>3) Every article I read says that wage inflation is the worst possible kind.  With every banker, politician, and CEO doing everything they can to keep wage increases at a minimum, how do you propose to discover this &#8216;wage growth&#8217; that we&#8217;ll need to catch up to house prices?</p>
<p>Regarding interest rates, keeping rates high tries to avoid the toothpaste effect, and I think Mervyn&#8217;s got it right.  We had a bubble in house prices, and nobody can deny that.  We&#8217;re going to have to feel the pain &#8211; the question is how much pain do the banks share?</p>
<p>Reply: I welcome wage growth, which should be similar to productivity growth in the economy &#8211; it used to be around 2.5% real per annum, and may now only be around 1.5%. The Economic Policy Review looked at how we could lift the real growth rate, which would also lift real wages. I want people to earn more, not less, in a low inflaitonary environment so they can buy something with the extra wages.</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 09:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can remember a (Waterfront?) conference at, of all places ,Centrepoint (which only Dave Wetzel of the Labour Land Campaign mentioned was  symbolic of an age-old problem of property being built for passive investment and not for active use) when a left-wing trouble-maker asked the platform ensemble whether they agreed that  house prices were inflating at an entirely different rate to the rest of the economy and ,if so , what they would do about it .While most of the other party representatives agreed and spoke of Land Value Tax (Dave Wetzel&#039;s big idea), John Redwood said that he did n&#039;t think house prices were too high to start with so would n&#039;t look to do anything about them ( Otherwise imagine the headlines in Wokingham:&quot; Local house prices too high&quot; says Redwood.)
The fact is that it appears that wheels are coming loose on the property-owning democracy bandwagon which is only &quot;what most  of us want&quot;(see reply above) because in the early Sixties  the Tories got rid of the tax (schedule A ) which took money out of owner-occupiers&#039; income in proportion to the rental value of the house.
.Before that people were fairly happy renting (and no bad thing since Prof Andrew Oswald demonstrates a clear correlation between high rates of owner-occupation and unemployment).The industrial prosperity of this country was built on renting as people could move to where there was work. Now they can&#039;t: in London high house prices work better than the old South African pass laws in keeping out the working-poor from prosperous areas.
 Think of the mobility of labour which would have been possible had the country continued with its public-provision of housing and this had been allowed to continue into the age of the Net.
Property owning democracy has brought immobilism. The Conservative offer remains: You may not get decent wages out of us but your house will make more in a year than you do. 
Meanwhile Dave Wetzel has lost his job on the board of TFL for political reasons. With scant sympathy from John Redwood .

Reply: That was a Conference before the latest sharp rise in house prices and I stand by what I said then. I also made clear my opposition to the CPI switch and the lower interest rates that led to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can remember a (Waterfront?) conference at, of all places ,Centrepoint (which only Dave Wetzel of the Labour Land Campaign mentioned was  symbolic of an age-old problem of property being built for passive investment and not for active use) when a left-wing trouble-maker asked the platform ensemble whether they agreed that  house prices were inflating at an entirely different rate to the rest of the economy and ,if so , what they would do about it .While most of the other party representatives agreed and spoke of Land Value Tax (Dave Wetzel&#8217;s big idea), John Redwood said that he did n&#8217;t think house prices were too high to start with so would n&#8217;t look to do anything about them ( Otherwise imagine the headlines in Wokingham:&#8221; Local house prices too high&#8221; says Redwood.)<br />
The fact is that it appears that wheels are coming loose on the property-owning democracy bandwagon which is only &#8220;what most  of us want&#8221;(see reply above) because in the early Sixties  the Tories got rid of the tax (schedule A ) which took money out of owner-occupiers&#8217; income in proportion to the rental value of the house.<br />
.Before that people were fairly happy renting (and no bad thing since Prof Andrew Oswald demonstrates a clear correlation between high rates of owner-occupation and unemployment).The industrial prosperity of this country was built on renting as people could move to where there was work. Now they can&#8217;t: in London high house prices work better than the old South African pass laws in keeping out the working-poor from prosperous areas.<br />
 Think of the mobility of labour which would have been possible had the country continued with its public-provision of housing and this had been allowed to continue into the age of the Net.<br />
Property owning democracy has brought immobilism. The Conservative offer remains: You may not get decent wages out of us but your house will make more in a year than you do.<br />
Meanwhile Dave Wetzel has lost his job on the board of TFL for political reasons. With scant sympathy from John Redwood .</p>
<p>Reply: That was a Conference before the latest sharp rise in house prices and I stand by what I said then. I also made clear my opposition to the CPI switch and the lower interest rates that led to.</p>
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