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	<title>Comments on: Labour&#8217;s attack on road traffic has gone too far</title>
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		<title>By: brit rail</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-21032</link>
		<dc:creator>brit rail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-20921</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Beware the anger of a patient man...&quot;
We, the public, have been very patient now and (see above) we are stirring at last.
The truckers on TV were very moving, I thought. People at the end of their tether, actually. 
When 500,000 desperate farmers walked through the streets of London at the beginning of the Blair honeymoon, noone listened.
When, at the end of the Blair era, the EU peaceful protest to parliament was hijacked by the suspiciously organised protest against the runway at Heathrow, nobody listened.
We shall soon see whether anyone is listening now.

Maybe the people who really are are listening are those who want to see how demonstrations, strikes and protests are received by the government, which they seem to see as an ever flowing fount of money. When the government gives in to the truckers, their paymasters, the TU, will be there in force.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Beware the anger of a patient man&#8230;&#8221;<br />
We, the public, have been very patient now and (see above) we are stirring at last.<br />
The truckers on TV were very moving, I thought. People at the end of their tether, actually.<br />
When 500,000 desperate farmers walked through the streets of London at the beginning of the Blair honeymoon, noone listened.<br />
When, at the end of the Blair era, the EU peaceful protest to parliament was hijacked by the suspiciously organised protest against the runway at Heathrow, nobody listened.<br />
We shall soon see whether anyone is listening now.</p>
<p>Maybe the people who really are are listening are those who want to see how demonstrations, strikes and protests are received by the government, which they seem to see as an ever flowing fount of money. When the government gives in to the truckers, their paymasters, the TU, will be there in force&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: William B.</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-20917</link>
		<dc:creator>William B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Redwood

One aspect of the motoring tax-grab which causes me great concern is the lack of clarity over its purpose.  I address this point to you because I have witnessed you to be a politician who states both the perceived benefits and potential detriments of his policy statements.  

Both the Labour and Conservative Parties have sought to justify increases in motoring taxes by saying that it is appropriate to impose a higher burden because driving a motor vehicle causes pollution (the fuel-duty escalator introduced by a Conservative government being a classic example).    

But it is never explained whether, and if so how, this is intended to change behaviour.  The same observation applies to all so-called &quot;green&quot; taxes.  

To be fair to the current Prime Minister one must acknowledge that his only clear policy initiative to date (namely his stated desire to see a massive reduction in the use of plastic carrier bags) included an unequivocal assertion that the cost of bags should become prohibitive so as to limit the number produced.  

If the purpose is to use the tax system to make a significant change to behaviour there should be a clear statement of policy to this effect, including a description of the change which is being sought.  

A stated policy to impose tax at rates designed to discourage the ownership and use of motor cars with engines above a certain size might or might not find favour with the voters, but at least we would know where we stand.  

Similarly with a stated policy to impose tax at rates designed to make flying so expensive that the number of flights into and out of the UK is reduced by a given percentage.  

But as things stand I do not know whether the government wants me to continue driving an average of 1,500 miles a year in my large and comfortable car but to pay more for the privilege, or to sell my car and drive the same 1,500 miles in a small car and pay less in tax.  

Nor do I know whether the government wants to reduce the number of flights although I suspect it does not because those who are most likely to be priced out of air travel would exact a furious revenge through the ballot box.  

One feels compelled to conclude that the purpose of these taxes is simply to raise additional revenue rather than to change behaviour because there is no sign of a Plan B to be implemented once the higher rates of VED are not paid by anyone, the increased use of more fuel-efficient cars reduces the tax paid in fuel duty and those on lower incomes are priced out of their hard-earned once a year foreign holiday.  

If your party is to present any avowedly &quot;green&quot; tax policies at the next election, please do everything you can to ensure that any intended change in behaviour is defined clearly.  

The country is tired of hidden agendas, a big fat dose of honesty would go down a storm.

Reply: I agree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Redwood</p>
<p>One aspect of the motoring tax-grab which causes me great concern is the lack of clarity over its purpose.  I address this point to you because I have witnessed you to be a politician who states both the perceived benefits and potential detriments of his policy statements.  </p>
<p>Both the Labour and Conservative Parties have sought to justify increases in motoring taxes by saying that it is appropriate to impose a higher burden because driving a motor vehicle causes pollution (the fuel-duty escalator introduced by a Conservative government being a classic example).    </p>
<p>But it is never explained whether, and if so how, this is intended to change behaviour.  The same observation applies to all so-called &#8220;green&#8221; taxes.  </p>
<p>To be fair to the current Prime Minister one must acknowledge that his only clear policy initiative to date (namely his stated desire to see a massive reduction in the use of plastic carrier bags) included an unequivocal assertion that the cost of bags should become prohibitive so as to limit the number produced.  </p>
<p>If the purpose is to use the tax system to make a significant change to behaviour there should be a clear statement of policy to this effect, including a description of the change which is being sought.  </p>
<p>A stated policy to impose tax at rates designed to discourage the ownership and use of motor cars with engines above a certain size might or might not find favour with the voters, but at least we would know where we stand.  </p>
<p>Similarly with a stated policy to impose tax at rates designed to make flying so expensive that the number of flights into and out of the UK is reduced by a given percentage.  </p>
<p>But as things stand I do not know whether the government wants me to continue driving an average of 1,500 miles a year in my large and comfortable car but to pay more for the privilege, or to sell my car and drive the same 1,500 miles in a small car and pay less in tax.  </p>
<p>Nor do I know whether the government wants to reduce the number of flights although I suspect it does not because those who are most likely to be priced out of air travel would exact a furious revenge through the ballot box.  </p>
<p>One feels compelled to conclude that the purpose of these taxes is simply to raise additional revenue rather than to change behaviour because there is no sign of a Plan B to be implemented once the higher rates of VED are not paid by anyone, the increased use of more fuel-efficient cars reduces the tax paid in fuel duty and those on lower incomes are priced out of their hard-earned once a year foreign holiday.  </p>
<p>If your party is to present any avowedly &#8220;green&#8221; tax policies at the next election, please do everything you can to ensure that any intended change in behaviour is defined clearly.  </p>
<p>The country is tired of hidden agendas, a big fat dose of honesty would go down a storm.</p>
<p>Reply: I agree</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan M. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan M. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing Labour is likely to do, knowing that a general election defeat is looming, is to force through road-pricing. This is something that out-of-touch Labour MPs are committed to, and which will hammer hard-working people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing Labour is likely to do, knowing that a general election defeat is looming, is to force through road-pricing. This is something that out-of-touch Labour MPs are committed to, and which will hammer hard-working people.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir, you must realise that the British government could not introduce a &#039;Brit Disc&#039; because applying extra tax to foreign lorries would violate EU law.

The British government cannot even bring in a law requiring left hand drive foreign lorries to have blind spot mirrors, because this is an EU &#039;competence&#039;. Hence the carnage these barely trained and incompetent truckers cause on our roads is set to continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir, you must realise that the British government could not introduce a &#8216;Brit Disc&#8217; because applying extra tax to foreign lorries would violate EU law.</p>
<p>The British government cannot even bring in a law requiring left hand drive foreign lorries to have blind spot mirrors, because this is an EU &#8216;competence&#8217;. Hence the carnage these barely trained and incompetent truckers cause on our roads is set to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew  Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-20886</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew  Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They ought to do an audit of state owned assets &amp; sell off enough in 2009-10 to fund not only axing the VED hikes but ending VED full stop . This would axe a complex form of taxation while easing the burden on people for whom the car is essential . Pensioners with a sick spouse who needs to take them to hospital or the Doctors regularly cannot not be expected to be punished for using a necessity . That is mad &amp; unfair . 

Haulage firms need a fuel duty rebate of 20p a litre , the 2p hike should go &amp; road fuel duties should get a 12p a litre reduction . The 2p hike being axed &amp; the duty cut can be funded from the VAT windfall owing to the higher oil price . The haulage firm refund can be met I think by cutting the ever pointless New Deal that has wasted funds while economic inactivity rockets . Falling transport costs might help get inflation down without higher interest rates thus helping the UK back to prosperity by keeping the food &amp; morgages from getting any dearer . Don&#039;t forget lower taxes + smaller government = Eire style prosperity !

Higher taxes have not curbed emmissions or congestion related problems . The client state is funded by a lie - motorists pay for their carbon footprint many times over while these green taxes are not really green as they have not helped the environment . Rather they raise money in a regressive &amp; inflationary manner - I thought that Labour wanted fair taxes and lower inflation ? Adding to transport costs when people struggle to meet the bills to help fund Â£100 billion a year in QUANGO&#039;s that are undemocratic &amp; wasteful is just wrong pure &amp; simple . If Denis MacShane wants cuts in public sector waste &amp; taxes might I suggest motoring tax cuts in response to the SOS from Labour MP&#039;s in rural marginal seats ? They have to hold those to give Gordon Brown a majority in 2010 - so for Labour it is either embracing John Redwood&#039;s economic wisdom or ceasing to be both a government and an effective political force ! As Denis MacShane said in his Daily Telegraph article : &#039; Watch this space ! &#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ought to do an audit of state owned assets &amp; sell off enough in 2009-10 to fund not only axing the VED hikes but ending VED full stop . This would axe a complex form of taxation while easing the burden on people for whom the car is essential . Pensioners with a sick spouse who needs to take them to hospital or the Doctors regularly cannot not be expected to be punished for using a necessity . That is mad &amp; unfair . </p>
<p>Haulage firms need a fuel duty rebate of 20p a litre , the 2p hike should go &amp; road fuel duties should get a 12p a litre reduction . The 2p hike being axed &amp; the duty cut can be funded from the VAT windfall owing to the higher oil price . The haulage firm refund can be met I think by cutting the ever pointless New Deal that has wasted funds while economic inactivity rockets . Falling transport costs might help get inflation down without higher interest rates thus helping the UK back to prosperity by keeping the food &amp; morgages from getting any dearer . Don&#8217;t forget lower taxes + smaller government = Eire style prosperity !</p>
<p>Higher taxes have not curbed emmissions or congestion related problems . The client state is funded by a lie &#8211; motorists pay for their carbon footprint many times over while these green taxes are not really green as they have not helped the environment . Rather they raise money in a regressive &amp; inflationary manner &#8211; I thought that Labour wanted fair taxes and lower inflation ? Adding to transport costs when people struggle to meet the bills to help fund Â£100 billion a year in QUANGO&#8217;s that are undemocratic &amp; wasteful is just wrong pure &amp; simple . If Denis MacShane wants cuts in public sector waste &amp; taxes might I suggest motoring tax cuts in response to the SOS from Labour MP&#8217;s in rural marginal seats ? They have to hold those to give Gordon Brown a majority in 2010 &#8211; so for Labour it is either embracing John Redwood&#8217;s economic wisdom or ceasing to be both a government and an effective political force ! As Denis MacShane said in his Daily Telegraph article : &#8216; Watch this space ! &#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-20878</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s telling that Harriet Harman (on the Today program) listed &quot;increasing the global supply of oil&quot; as being the prime way of lowering fuel prices. Clearly the labour party are so addicted to tax that it hasn&#039;t even occurred to them to lower the duty and fire a few thousand consultants.

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p.s. just finished re-reading my signed copy of &quot;Popular Capitalism&quot; - Just as true today as it was when it was written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s telling that Harriet Harman (on the Today program) listed &#8220;increasing the global supply of oil&#8221; as being the prime way of lowering fuel prices. Clearly the labour party are so addicted to tax that it hasn&#8217;t even occurred to them to lower the duty and fire a few thousand consultants.</p>
<p>-=-=-</p>
<p>p.s. just finished re-reading my signed copy of &#8220;Popular Capitalism&#8221; &#8211; Just as true today as it was when it was written.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Doll</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/labours-attack-on-road-traffic-has-gone-too-far/#comment-20874</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Doll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hutton&#039;s answer on Radio 5 this morning was  - if you don&#039;t like it, SELL YOUR CAR! A deluge of vitriolic texts and emails followed. They have totally lost touch with the electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hutton&#8217;s answer on Radio 5 this morning was  &#8211; if you don&#8217;t like it, SELL YOUR CAR! A deluge of vitriolic texts and emails followed. They have totally lost touch with the electorate.</p>
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