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	<title>Comments on: MPs&#8217; pay again</title>
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	<description>Conservative Party Member of Parliament for Wokingham</description>
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		<title>By: Provincial John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20993</link>
		<dc:creator>Provincial John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 09:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

When payment of MPs began in 1911, the aim was simple: to stop working men from being unfairly excluded through want of means.  What nobody intended was to create a body of professional politicians living off the public purse, entitled to an upper middle class way of life and the perks of middle management.  Parliament worked at least as well with unpaid MPs serving for the honour of it as it does with the rather part-time members of today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>When payment of MPs began in 1911, the aim was simple: to stop working men from being unfairly excluded through want of means.  What nobody intended was to create a body of professional politicians living off the public purse, entitled to an upper middle class way of life and the perks of middle management.  Parliament worked at least as well with unpaid MPs serving for the honour of it as it does with the rather part-time members of today.</p>
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		<title>By: Abused Taxpayer</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20936</link>
		<dc:creator>Abused Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Before MPs start awarding themselves a new pay and allowances package, there are some clear pre-requisites if a degree of trust and legitimacy is to be restored:
(a) a radical overhaul of the Fees Office - employ some professional accountants and book-keepers and put in place an expenses management regime which is commensurate with the amount of public money being spent. The PAC would be extremely critical of the operation of the Fees Office if it were outsie of Parliament.
(b) create and publish a clear set of rules for MPs expenses and allowances, which are in keeping with the rules enforced by HMRC on any salaried employee (e.g. approx Â£5 allowable for incidental expenses not Â£25, limits on AHCA, etc). This would for example stop the abuse of the system by the Keens - their home is within commuting distance of Parliament, why should they claim AHCA - HMRC would not tolerate this for a non-MP. 
(c) adopt the same procedure as the Scottish Parliament and publish all expense/allowance claims on a publicly available website.
(d) put in place a rigorous disciplinary mechanism - if MPs abuse the system it is fraud - treat it as such. BTW enforcement should be on the basis of spirit and letter of the rules, i.e exploitation of loopholes will not be condoned.
These steps would go along way towards providing a degree of accountability and transparency and starting to restore the trust which has so patently been lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Before MPs start awarding themselves a new pay and allowances package, there are some clear pre-requisites if a degree of trust and legitimacy is to be restored:<br />
(a) a radical overhaul of the Fees Office &#8211; employ some professional accountants and book-keepers and put in place an expenses management regime which is commensurate with the amount of public money being spent. The PAC would be extremely critical of the operation of the Fees Office if it were outsie of Parliament.<br />
(b) create and publish a clear set of rules for MPs expenses and allowances, which are in keeping with the rules enforced by HMRC on any salaried employee (e.g. approx Â£5 allowable for incidental expenses not Â£25, limits on AHCA, etc). This would for example stop the abuse of the system by the Keens &#8211; their home is within commuting distance of Parliament, why should they claim AHCA &#8211; HMRC would not tolerate this for a non-MP.<br />
(c) adopt the same procedure as the Scottish Parliament and publish all expense/allowance claims on a publicly available website.<br />
(d) put in place a rigorous disciplinary mechanism &#8211; if MPs abuse the system it is fraud &#8211; treat it as such. BTW enforcement should be on the basis of spirit and letter of the rules, i.e exploitation of loopholes will not be condoned.<br />
These steps would go along way towards providing a degree of accountability and transparency and starting to restore the trust which has so patently been lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cannon</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20935</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your colleague who has asked for the addresses of judges is being childish and silly.

Just because he objects to the provisino of MP&#039;s addresses, it does not follow that judges should publish theirs.  That is just childish

And it is silly too because judges need to keep their addresses private: there are plenty of angry villains who would like to know where they live.  And judges do not get second houses paid for out of tax-free allowances.  It is because the taxpayer pays for MPs second homes that the details of what is being claimed should be made public.

I would have hoped that all Conserviative MPs would have realised by now that the voters are not happy with MPs obtaining substantial sums of taxpayers money by way of allowances and then trying to cover up the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your colleague who has asked for the addresses of judges is being childish and silly.</p>
<p>Just because he objects to the provisino of MP&#8217;s addresses, it does not follow that judges should publish theirs.  That is just childish</p>
<p>And it is silly too because judges need to keep their addresses private: there are plenty of angry villains who would like to know where they live.  And judges do not get second houses paid for out of tax-free allowances.  It is because the taxpayer pays for MPs second homes that the details of what is being claimed should be made public.</p>
<p>I would have hoped that all Conserviative MPs would have realised by now that the voters are not happy with MPs obtaining substantial sums of taxpayers money by way of allowances and then trying to cover up the details.</p>
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		<title>By: David Eyles</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20928</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 10:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan of England - thank you for that link. I have scanned that list very quickly. Unfortunately, as with everything else I have looked at, the list is incomplete, although it contains some quangos that other lists don&#039;t.

For instance, look up www.foodfrombritain.com, click onto Regional food producers and then &quot;regions&quot; and then watch the names of 17 other mini quangos spring up like asparagus in May. The regional governments and local authorities are all sources of these additional  quangos. EU funding to the regions also produces more. There seems to be no end to it.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan of England &#8211; thank you for that link. I have scanned that list very quickly. Unfortunately, as with everything else I have looked at, the list is incomplete, although it contains some quangos that other lists don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>For instance, look up <a href="http://www.foodfrombritain.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.foodfrombritain.com</a>, click onto Regional food producers and then &#8220;regions&#8221; and then watch the names of 17 other mini quangos spring up like asparagus in May. The regional governments and local authorities are all sources of these additional  quangos. EU funding to the regions also produces more. There seems to be no end to it&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20920</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the power of parliament leeches away into Europe, so the excessive pay of MPs becomes more and more ridiculous.
We, the ordinary people, want you to be one of us - not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the power of parliament leeches away into Europe, so the excessive pay of MPs becomes more and more ridiculous.<br />
We, the ordinary people, want you to be one of us &#8211; not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Law</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20916</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole system would be much more transparent if:

1/ Any property purchased by an MP which enables her/him to carry out her/his parliamentary duties should be handed back to the state once that MP is no longer in office (that is if the MP has been claiming expenses against the mortgage payments etc. for that property). The property could then either be sold and the money be used to purchase another property for the next MP for that constituency should they need one, or the property could be handed over to the new MP.

2/ A nett financial asset limit should be set with regards to those MPs who do wish to claim for payments against second properties. In my view, if a MP has a assets portfolio above Â£3 million he or she has the means to buy or rent a decent second property without the assistance of the state.

However, should an MP be in such a position and they do purchase a property in their constituency or London and they find that, once they end their tenure as a MP, the value of the property has fallen, they should be compensated for the loss. This would not apply to those who already owned such property prior to becoming an MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole system would be much more transparent if:</p>
<p>1/ Any property purchased by an MP which enables her/him to carry out her/his parliamentary duties should be handed back to the state once that MP is no longer in office (that is if the MP has been claiming expenses against the mortgage payments etc. for that property). The property could then either be sold and the money be used to purchase another property for the next MP for that constituency should they need one, or the property could be handed over to the new MP.</p>
<p>2/ A nett financial asset limit should be set with regards to those MPs who do wish to claim for payments against second properties. In my view, if a MP has a assets portfolio above Â£3 million he or she has the means to buy or rent a decent second property without the assistance of the state.</p>
<p>However, should an MP be in such a position and they do purchase a property in their constituency or London and they find that, once they end their tenure as a MP, the value of the property has fallen, they should be compensated for the loss. This would not apply to those who already owned such property prior to becoming an MP.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanofEngland</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20910</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanofEngland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are allegedly 1132 &quot;agencies&quot;, committees, boards and councils spending your hard earned money on a monumental pile of reports, studies, papers and consultation documents, a vast array of which never see the real light of day. The Taxpayers Alliance, independent campaigners for lower taxes, revealed the ugly truth about Britainâ€™s â€œhidden stateâ€ this week, pointing out that even the Government finds it too large and diverse to manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are allegedly 1132 &#8220;agencies&#8221;, committees, boards and councils spending your hard earned money on a monumental pile of reports, studies, papers and consultation documents, a vast array of which never see the real light of day. The Taxpayers Alliance, independent campaigners for lower taxes, revealed the ugly truth about Britainâ€™s â€œhidden stateâ€ this week, pointing out that even the Government finds it too large and diverse to manage.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanofEngland</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20906</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanofEngland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://quangos.ercouncil.org/search/

Every quango in the UK is listed here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://quangos.ercouncil.org/search/" rel="nofollow">http://quangos.ercouncil.org/search/</a></p>
<p>Every quango in the UK is listed here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: AlanofEngland</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20905</link>
		<dc:creator>AlanofEngland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many Quangos were there in each year since 1998?
Year # of Quangos 
2006  524  
2005  546  
2004  518  
2003  517  
2002  555  
2001  526  
2000  537  
1999  563  
1998  692  

http://quangos.ercouncil.org/faq/answer,0,1,0,0,0_quangos_economic_research_council.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many Quangos were there in each year since 1998?<br />
Year # of Quangos<br />
2006  524<br />
2005  546<br />
2004  518<br />
2003  517<br />
2002  555<br />
2001  526<br />
2000  537<br />
1999  563<br />
1998  692  </p>
<p><a href="http://quangos.ercouncil.org/faq/answer,0,1,0,0,0_quangos_economic_research_council.html" rel="nofollow">http://quangos.ercouncil.org/faq/answer,0,1,0,0,0_quangos_economic_research_council.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Drew Belobaba</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20904</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Belobaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I note with approval that members of the General Court of New Hampshire - the state legislature are paid $100 per year, and get a few persk such as free travel on toll roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I note with approval that members of the General Court of New Hampshire &#8211; the state legislature are paid $100 per year, and get a few persk such as free travel on toll roads.</p>
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		<title>By: lucysharp</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20903</link>
		<dc:creator>lucysharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil service and judicial expenses payments are subject to published rules, are required to be authorised before being incurred, have to be submitted on proper claim forms with receipts and have also to be countersigned by a budget manager. All claims have to be submitted within a month and are kept for seven years; they are also subject to internal audit. Frankly I am astonished at the sloppy way in which MPs&#039; claims are processed and recorded. I do not really blame MPs for this; it seems obvious that the expenses system is just a way of paying the rate for the job. Would it not be better for us all to accept that if we want MPs to carry out their duties properly we will just have to pay them a sensible amount of money, even if that means a salary of Â£100k? I cannot believe that someone of your integrity and common sense is really seeking to defend the current system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil service and judicial expenses payments are subject to published rules, are required to be authorised before being incurred, have to be submitted on proper claim forms with receipts and have also to be countersigned by a budget manager. All claims have to be submitted within a month and are kept for seven years; they are also subject to internal audit. Frankly I am astonished at the sloppy way in which MPs&#8217; claims are processed and recorded. I do not really blame MPs for this; it seems obvious that the expenses system is just a way of paying the rate for the job. Would it not be better for us all to accept that if we want MPs to carry out their duties properly we will just have to pay them a sensible amount of money, even if that means a salary of Â£100k? I cannot believe that someone of your integrity and common sense is really seeking to defend the current system.</p>
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		<title>By: David Eyles</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20901</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely yes to the details of quangos and local authority Chief Executives. But first we need to track down all the quangos. 

There will be a growing debate about this over on the Taxpayers&#039; Alliance as time goes on, because we do not know just how many there really are. I do not think anyone in the government knows how many there are. And if they do, they won&#039;t tell us until it is dragged out of them.

Government funding - its called &quot;sponsorship&quot; in Treasury papers - is reaching all sorts of nooks and crannies of our lives and businesses. Quangos arise directly from government departments; indirectly from bigger quangos; indirectly from EU funding and indirectly from joint funding from departments and local authorities. Funding also reaches charities and quasi regulatory organisations, e.g. the Soil Association, which receives about one third of its total income from the taxpayer.

All of these have committees overseeing them, and they too receive money from the taxpayer.

I would like to see total funding as well as senior staff&#039;s pay and pension rights. I would also like to see just how far into our lives these unelected, unaccountable organisations get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely yes to the details of quangos and local authority Chief Executives. But first we need to track down all the quangos. </p>
<p>There will be a growing debate about this over on the Taxpayers&#8217; Alliance as time goes on, because we do not know just how many there really are. I do not think anyone in the government knows how many there are. And if they do, they won&#8217;t tell us until it is dragged out of them.</p>
<p>Government funding &#8211; its called &#8220;sponsorship&#8221; in Treasury papers &#8211; is reaching all sorts of nooks and crannies of our lives and businesses. Quangos arise directly from government departments; indirectly from bigger quangos; indirectly from EU funding and indirectly from joint funding from departments and local authorities. Funding also reaches charities and quasi regulatory organisations, e.g. the Soil Association, which receives about one third of its total income from the taxpayer.</p>
<p>All of these have committees overseeing them, and they too receive money from the taxpayer.</p>
<p>I would like to see total funding as well as senior staff&#8217;s pay and pension rights. I would also like to see just how far into our lives these unelected, unaccountable organisations get.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20899</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The amount spent on MP salaries is merely a drop in the bucket of the Â£550 billion government spends. I could wish reporting on such things showed more numeracy - I suspect you do to.

Still the expenses can be a bit of a racket &amp; I am not convinced the Lords is worth the money &amp; whoever ran the contracts for Portcullis House should be strung up.

Your point about increases in the present economic climate is well made. I would have no objection to MPs being well rewarded by a bonus when the economy grows above 2.5% - 33% of salary for each 1% of extra growth for that year would concentrate minds wonderfully.

(But then I stood for the 9% Growth Party)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount spent on MP salaries is merely a drop in the bucket of the Â£550 billion government spends. I could wish reporting on such things showed more numeracy &#8211; I suspect you do to.</p>
<p>Still the expenses can be a bit of a racket &amp; I am not convinced the Lords is worth the money &amp; whoever ran the contracts for Portcullis House should be strung up.</p>
<p>Your point about increases in the present economic climate is well made. I would have no objection to MPs being well rewarded by a bonus when the economy grows above 2.5% &#8211; 33% of salary for each 1% of extra growth for that year would concentrate minds wonderfully.</p>
<p>(But then I stood for the 9% Growth Party)</p>
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		<title>By: John Lewis</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20897</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the previous comment is entirely misconceived. 

Our homeware is competitively priced and rumours that MPs are are given preferential treatment by our accounts department to gild their SW1 flats with exotic, designer-label marble extravagance are wide of the mark.

Successful, hard-working professionals should enjoy the fruits of their labours. They require domestic tranquility and aesthetic harmony to grapple with the ever more pressing issues that impinge of the lives of the ordinary folk to whose well-being they are dedicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the previous comment is entirely misconceived. </p>
<p>Our homeware is competitively priced and rumours that MPs are are given preferential treatment by our accounts department to gild their SW1 flats with exotic, designer-label marble extravagance are wide of the mark.</p>
<p>Successful, hard-working professionals should enjoy the fruits of their labours. They require domestic tranquility and aesthetic harmony to grapple with the ever more pressing issues that impinge of the lives of the ordinary folk to whose well-being they are dedicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Defamatory Vileness</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20896</link>
		<dc:creator>Defamatory Vileness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being an MP is a voluntary activity - it used to be called &quot;public service&quot;. 

Why should MPs get paid excessively generous allowances simply for doing their job when everyone else has to juggle their budget to make ends meet?

What&#039;s more, MPs can vote themselves any allowance or emolument they like - a privilege denied to the rest of us.

[I thought Maggie had abolished closed shops in the 1980s - apparently not.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being an MP is a voluntary activity &#8211; it used to be called &#8220;public service&#8221;. </p>
<p>Why should MPs get paid excessively generous allowances simply for doing their job when everyone else has to juggle their budget to make ends meet?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, MPs can vote themselves any allowance or emolument they like &#8211; a privilege denied to the rest of us.</p>
<p>[I thought Maggie had abolished closed shops in the 1980s - apparently not.]</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20892</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, to keep inflation down (Sarcasm) the MP&#039;s pay should be fixed at 2.9% per year over the next three years. Then again, I suppose when their income is at stake, most Labour MPs will vote in favour of a large rise. One rule for them, another for the rest of us. When the people want a large pay rise, we are being greedy and putting the stability of the economy at risk (sic) but, when the MPs vote on their own pay, stability goes out of the window.

My own view is that MPs are not paid enough for the job some of them do but, where does one fix the rate? Should it be fixed on a productivity basis so that those that put in the hours reap the rewards and those that do very little once elected earn less? Sounds a good idea to me but, how do we measure the productivity level?

It seems the main concern of the public is the  level of expenses claimed and what those expenses can be claimed for.

In my opinion, each constituency should have an office with flat above owned by the people which the MP can use if he does not live locally.
In Westminster we could have a large hostel type building for MPs to use when staying in London.

Second homes funded by the taxpayer and then the MP keeping the profits on the second home when sold is obscene in my view.

I think the level of MPs salaries should be raised to reflect the role they perform  but, being an MP should these days be regarded as a full time job, which it is, and  MPs should not have to rely on creative expenses claims to get a realistic income.

John, most of my criticisms above do not apply to you as, being a Wokingham resident, I know that we get very good value for money from yourself.

Whether there are wide spread frauds or dodgy expenses claims being perpentrated or not is not really the question, it is the perception that these things take place that causes the harm and I feel that MPs expenses claims should come under the same rules put on ordinary people by the HMRC namely, no receipt no allowance and only allowable items accepted that are directly brought about as a consequense of carrying out the role of MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, to keep inflation down (Sarcasm) the MP&#8217;s pay should be fixed at 2.9% per year over the next three years. Then again, I suppose when their income is at stake, most Labour MPs will vote in favour of a large rise. One rule for them, another for the rest of us. When the people want a large pay rise, we are being greedy and putting the stability of the economy at risk (sic) but, when the MPs vote on their own pay, stability goes out of the window.</p>
<p>My own view is that MPs are not paid enough for the job some of them do but, where does one fix the rate? Should it be fixed on a productivity basis so that those that put in the hours reap the rewards and those that do very little once elected earn less? Sounds a good idea to me but, how do we measure the productivity level?</p>
<p>It seems the main concern of the public is the  level of expenses claimed and what those expenses can be claimed for.</p>
<p>In my opinion, each constituency should have an office with flat above owned by the people which the MP can use if he does not live locally.<br />
In Westminster we could have a large hostel type building for MPs to use when staying in London.</p>
<p>Second homes funded by the taxpayer and then the MP keeping the profits on the second home when sold is obscene in my view.</p>
<p>I think the level of MPs salaries should be raised to reflect the role they perform  but, being an MP should these days be regarded as a full time job, which it is, and  MPs should not have to rely on creative expenses claims to get a realistic income.</p>
<p>John, most of my criticisms above do not apply to you as, being a Wokingham resident, I know that we get very good value for money from yourself.</p>
<p>Whether there are wide spread frauds or dodgy expenses claims being perpentrated or not is not really the question, it is the perception that these things take place that causes the harm and I feel that MPs expenses claims should come under the same rules put on ordinary people by the HMRC namely, no receipt no allowance and only allowable items accepted that are directly brought about as a consequense of carrying out the role of MP.</p>
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		<title>By: backofanenvelope</title>
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		<dc:creator>backofanenvelope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 11:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Widening the scope will just enable MPs to vanish in the general uproar.

Why not set an example - publish your expense details on this blog.

In fact, why doesn&#039;t the Tory party publish all MPs accounts now - why wait to be forced to comply?

You MPs should be leading not running for cover.

reply: My expense details are published on theyworkforyou.com and I have just sent a commenbt round to my constituents about what I do in my newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Widening the scope will just enable MPs to vanish in the general uproar.</p>
<p>Why not set an example &#8211; publish your expense details on this blog.</p>
<p>In fact, why doesn&#8217;t the Tory party publish all MPs accounts now &#8211; why wait to be forced to comply?</p>
<p>You MPs should be leading not running for cover.</p>
<p>reply: My expense details are published on theyworkforyou.com and I have just sent a commenbt round to my constituents about what I do in my newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20889</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 10:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might like to consider this, from www.jamesbarlow.co.uk/shockpower

25 May, 2008 - 16:27 â€” james 
Total Budget for Bristol City Council&#039;s Chief Executive

The total annual cost of the Office of the Chief Executive of Bristol City Council is Â£14,650,000 pounds. Using my ready reckoning rule, this is equivalent to a minimum of Â£76.03 added to every council tax bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might like to consider this, from <a href="http://www.jamesbarlow.co.uk/shockpower" rel="nofollow">http://www.jamesbarlow.co.uk/shockpower</a></p>
<p>25 May, 2008 &#8211; 16:27 â€” james<br />
Total Budget for Bristol City Council&#8217;s Chief Executive</p>
<p>The total annual cost of the Office of the Chief Executive of Bristol City Council is Â£14,650,000 pounds. Using my ready reckoning rule, this is equivalent to a minimum of Â£76.03 added to every council tax bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Whale</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20888</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Whale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 10:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with the system that allows everyone to have the same tax system and the same expense allowances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with the system that allows everyone to have the same tax system and the same expense allowances.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/05/27/mps-pay-again/#comment-20887</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 09:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m now investigating a holiday home. I can then declare that as my principle residence. Now, clearly I&#039;ll need a place near work for when I&#039;m there. Since the alowances have been approved by the Inland Revenue, they are kosher, so I do forsee any problems in claiming 27K a year housing allowance. All tax free of course.

This is a great way of extracting profits out of a company if you have one.

What do you think my chances of success are?

Will I get my local MP to support me if the IR object?

Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m now investigating a holiday home. I can then declare that as my principle residence. Now, clearly I&#8217;ll need a place near work for when I&#8217;m there. Since the alowances have been approved by the Inland Revenue, they are kosher, so I do forsee any problems in claiming 27K a year housing allowance. All tax free of course.</p>
<p>This is a great way of extracting profits out of a company if you have one.</p>
<p>What do you think my chances of success are?</p>
<p>Will I get my local MP to support me if the IR object?</p>
<p>Nick</p>
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