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		<title>By: STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/12/david-davis-what-a-stand/#comment-22271</link>
		<dc:creator>STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..well now, there was no chance TAKEN was there in effect with our Mr Davis, I REALLY WANTED TO BELIEVE, but we knew it, he knew it, CAMERON KNEW IT!...So have changed my mind about him as I said I possibly would, a big cherade that&#039;s really seen what I didn&#039;t want to see and that is, the man along with the rest is as transparent as my grandsons&#039; paper planes.
Again I say to you John and I know it&#039;s wasted, but here goes, why can&#039;t we have a contract between the people and the gov&#039;t, is it because the gov&#039;t is run by big businessmen and the NEW ORDER that everyone is talking about is now really here AND PEOPLE ARE NOW LOOKED AT AS BEING A NUMBER, it&#039;s arrived and will be &#039;full blown&#039; when Tories get back in?...the right wing antics of labour have cost us heavily in taxing everything and this weekend we see that women&#039;s bra&#039;s now have a tax on them?...keep up John?...Enter Tory, well Labour&#039;s left us with a massive hole and sorry but it&#039;ll be hard for a while whilst we get these...No John, I won&#039;t go along with that old line at all. I would rather you said, what you thought wasn&#039;t going to happen, now has, we&#039;ll tax you even more, you will sell your houses to the money men that run the EU and Central gov&#039;t and you will rent them...your car will be no longer, for you will use public transport and all &#039;EXTRA&#039; taxes we want from you will be taken at sourse, we will assess how much you need to live on so you don&#039;t waste any more food, your medical attendtion will be via clinics on a conveyor belt system, children will no longer just appear, you will go on drugs to stop pregnances and you can then apply to come off them for a child we will sanction when we feel the population needs topping up, this way we keep the world in order, called THE NEW WORLD ORDER!...and not one person is responsible for this John, we all are, for we have gone along with it till it got to this state, the EU carried it along effortlessly, the name EU was just an adjective....what&#039;s next John?..anarchy, but we have a special force to contend with that now don&#039;t we, 600 Police in London a few months ago was mustered to sort out drug pushers/sellers, prostitutes, murderers etc, all with combat outfits on, but when you want a copper yourself, you get a reference number instead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..well now, there was no chance TAKEN was there in effect with our Mr Davis, I REALLY WANTED TO BELIEVE, but we knew it, he knew it, CAMERON KNEW IT!&#8230;So have changed my mind about him as I said I possibly would, a big cherade that&#8217;s really seen what I didn&#8217;t want to see and that is, the man along with the rest is as transparent as my grandsons&#8217; paper planes.<br />
Again I say to you John and I know it&#8217;s wasted, but here goes, why can&#8217;t we have a contract between the people and the gov&#8217;t, is it because the gov&#8217;t is run by big businessmen and the NEW ORDER that everyone is talking about is now really here AND PEOPLE ARE NOW LOOKED AT AS BEING A NUMBER, it&#8217;s arrived and will be &#8216;full blown&#8217; when Tories get back in?&#8230;the right wing antics of labour have cost us heavily in taxing everything and this weekend we see that women&#8217;s bra&#8217;s now have a tax on them?&#8230;keep up John?&#8230;Enter Tory, well Labour&#8217;s left us with a massive hole and sorry but it&#8217;ll be hard for a while whilst we get these&#8230;No John, I won&#8217;t go along with that old line at all. I would rather you said, what you thought wasn&#8217;t going to happen, now has, we&#8217;ll tax you even more, you will sell your houses to the money men that run the EU and Central gov&#8217;t and you will rent them&#8230;your car will be no longer, for you will use public transport and all &#8216;EXTRA&#8217; taxes we want from you will be taken at sourse, we will assess how much you need to live on so you don&#8217;t waste any more food, your medical attendtion will be via clinics on a conveyor belt system, children will no longer just appear, you will go on drugs to stop pregnances and you can then apply to come off them for a child we will sanction when we feel the population needs topping up, this way we keep the world in order, called THE NEW WORLD ORDER!&#8230;and not one person is responsible for this John, we all are, for we have gone along with it till it got to this state, the EU carried it along effortlessly, the name EU was just an adjective&#8230;.what&#8217;s next John?..anarchy, but we have a special force to contend with that now don&#8217;t we, 600 Police in London a few months ago was mustered to sort out drug pushers/sellers, prostitutes, murderers etc, all with combat outfits on, but when you want a copper yourself, you get a reference number instead!</p>
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		<title>By: August 8, 1974 v. July 9, 2008 - CommonDreams.org</title>
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		<dc:creator>August 8, 1974 v. July 9, 2008 - CommonDreams.org</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] and the rule of law &#8212; modeled after the still-growing and increasingly potent left-right coalition that has spontaneously arisen in Britain to fight against their Establishment&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ref my comment awaiting moderation 07Jul 2008 at 10:43 am
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The erosion of our laws started when the last  Conservative government enacted a law that made it possible to confiscate 
the financial assets of people who could not prove that those assets were acquired legally. Assumption of  innocence was  no longer a pillar of the law. The same adminstration looked on and did nothing when demonstrators, witnessed by police and public, advocated the murder of Salman Rushdie.  
The rot did not start with this odious New Labour control freaks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The erosion of our laws started when the last  Conservative government enacted a law that made it possible to confiscate<br />
the financial assets of people who could not prove that those assets were acquired legally. Assumption of  innocence was  no longer a pillar of the law. The same adminstration looked on and did nothing when demonstrators, witnessed by police and public, advocated the murder of Salman Rushdie.<br />
The rot did not start with this odious New Labour control freaks!</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up unil recentlu I was going to vote Conservative but given the attitude displayed to David on such an important issue, it demonstrates once again the shallowness of many of our Parliementary memebrs. They appear totally intolerant of accepting that we are all born with free will and it&#039;s healthy to display it and fight for it. 

I for one thank David for giving me heart when I was so tired of the way my liberties are being eroded - legislation is ruining our Society. What we are now left are teh young pushing at the edge of the envelope because of the Government wanting to turn all of us into obediant robots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up unil recentlu I was going to vote Conservative but given the attitude displayed to David on such an important issue, it demonstrates once again the shallowness of many of our Parliementary memebrs. They appear totally intolerant of accepting that we are all born with free will and it&#8217;s healthy to display it and fight for it. </p>
<p>I for one thank David for giving me heart when I was so tired of the way my liberties are being eroded &#8211; legislation is ruining our Society. What we are now left are teh young pushing at the edge of the envelope because of the Government wanting to turn all of us into obediant robots.</p>
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		<title>By: STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</title>
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		<dc:creator>STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...me too John, but will be watching this guy Davis now, always supported him from afar..Scepticity? Yes!....have been a local candidate many times and always wait for the &#039;punch line&#039; , so let&#039;s see what DOES come out in the wash then?..and single issues?..well this single issue has caused controversy more than all Cameron&#039;s electioneering stunts has it not, this single issue is not single anyway, it contains the very fundamental basic framework of where we must now start again from after Labour&#039;s concerted debacle of society in this country, history shows the very reason we go into battle is to get better than we went in with, the battle now is getting Labour out... for the people about to take charge in years to come that&#039;s on the way up, scare me!..further, Davis must elucidate further, he&#039;s created the basis of taking over, we now want to know the rest....a lettle pinky in the water is not enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;me too John, but will be watching this guy Davis now, always supported him from afar..Scepticity? Yes!&#8230;.have been a local candidate many times and always wait for the &#8216;punch line&#8217; , so let&#8217;s see what DOES come out in the wash then?..and single issues?..well this single issue has caused controversy more than all Cameron&#8217;s electioneering stunts has it not, this single issue is not single anyway, it contains the very fundamental basic framework of where we must now start again from after Labour&#8217;s concerted debacle of society in this country, history shows the very reason we go into battle is to get better than we went in with, the battle now is getting Labour out&#8230; for the people about to take charge in years to come that&#8217;s on the way up, scare me!..further, Davis must elucidate further, he&#8217;s created the basis of taking over, we now want to know the rest&#8230;.a lettle pinky in the water is not enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/12/david-davis-what-a-stand/#comment-21573</link>
		<dc:creator>STAN FRANCIS(BROMSGROVE)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Cameron beat Mr Davis to the Tory leadership in 2005, fact!. And now Cameron has wished his colleague well on his â€˜brave issue of Freedomsâ€™ but also warned him he is taking a huge risk. John that was the statement put out, but you say Davis has Cameronâ€™s backing, so whereâ€™s the risk then?..if Cameron backs him itâ€™s a shared risk surely on the ensueing general election?..no thatâ€™s not the risk heâ€™s taking about because Davis would get elected on this one issue alone tomorrow. So what other risk is there that Cameron warns Davis of??..the only risk is not getting elected again which he is of course odds on favourite on him being re-elected?..Problem is John, knee jerk reactions when itâ€™s a wrong reaction, has a habit of making you look a fool and an even bigger fool when you try to creep out of with the old clichÃ©â€™--- I didnâ€™t mean that at all?..But Cameron is surely taking the risk in that knee jerk reaction and now wobbling over it, same as the other issues heâ€™s tried to court the voter on..we donâ€™t want a ditherer as a Prime minister John, we already have one..DAVIS IS OUR MAN, unless heâ€™s another magician/charlaton and weâ€™ve seen plenty of those in our past?..you cannot trust anyone these days, not even the church that says one thing and does another for their own purposes and not that of the people. For the people and by the people, what happened along the line where this was forgotten and only brought up as an anachronism.

Reply: David Cameron is just stating the obvious, that holding a by-election on a single issue is a risk, as the main candidate cannot control events, the other candidates or the voters! I still wish David well and expect to see him returned successfully by electors who know he is a good MP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Cameron beat Mr Davis to the Tory leadership in 2005, fact!. And now Cameron has wished his colleague well on his â€˜brave issue of Freedomsâ€™ but also warned him he is taking a huge risk. John that was the statement put out, but you say Davis has Cameronâ€™s backing, so whereâ€™s the risk then?..if Cameron backs him itâ€™s a shared risk surely on the ensueing general election?..no thatâ€™s not the risk heâ€™s taking about because Davis would get elected on this one issue alone tomorrow. So what other risk is there that Cameron warns Davis of??..the only risk is not getting elected again which he is of course odds on favourite on him being re-elected?..Problem is John, knee jerk reactions when itâ€™s a wrong reaction, has a habit of making you look a fool and an even bigger fool when you try to creep out of with the old clichÃ©â€™&#8212; I didnâ€™t mean that at all?..But Cameron is surely taking the risk in that knee jerk reaction and now wobbling over it, same as the other issues heâ€™s tried to court the voter on..we donâ€™t want a ditherer as a Prime minister John, we already have one..DAVIS IS OUR MAN, unless heâ€™s another magician/charlaton and weâ€™ve seen plenty of those in our past?..you cannot trust anyone these days, not even the church that says one thing and does another for their own purposes and not that of the people. For the people and by the people, what happened along the line where this was forgotten and only brought up as an anachronism.</p>
<p>Reply: David Cameron is just stating the obvious, that holding a by-election on a single issue is a risk, as the main candidate cannot control events, the other candidates or the voters! I still wish David well and expect to see him returned successfully by electors who know he is a good MP.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Palmer</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/06/12/david-davis-what-a-stand/#comment-21522</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Couldn&#039;t find David&#039;s email or website but just want to add my support to his campaign against our liberty. I really believe that the powers to be and the media have underestimated the swell of concern about the slow erosion of our hard earned rights.

all the best


Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t find David&#8217;s email or website but just want to add my support to his campaign against our liberty. I really believe that the powers to be and the media have underestimated the swell of concern about the slow erosion of our hard earned rights.</p>
<p>all the best</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Millward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Millward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Davis has demonstrated that honourble quality in politicians that many people thought had disappeared long ago and in doing so has restored faith that Westminster is not run by a PR spin machine. We are used to seeing politicians resigning from positions having clung on by their fingertips, only for the tabloids to finally claim their scalp, after which the minster will return to his job within 6 months. 

I hope David David wins his by-election and going by the popular support from the public at large, I have little doubt that he will do. If and when he does go back to the commons, I hope David Cameron will restore him to his position, shadowing Jaqui Smith.

I read yesterday that Labour is considering putting up the baggage handler from Glasgow Airport on an anti terrorist ticket. If they do this then it will demonstrate beyond doubt (as if any more were needed) that this is a cynically rotten government, demonstrated further by it&#039;s arrogant position regarding the result of the Irish Referendum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Davis has demonstrated that honourble quality in politicians that many people thought had disappeared long ago and in doing so has restored faith that Westminster is not run by a PR spin machine. We are used to seeing politicians resigning from positions having clung on by their fingertips, only for the tabloids to finally claim their scalp, after which the minster will return to his job within 6 months. </p>
<p>I hope David David wins his by-election and going by the popular support from the public at large, I have little doubt that he will do. If and when he does go back to the commons, I hope David Cameron will restore him to his position, shadowing Jaqui Smith.</p>
<p>I read yesterday that Labour is considering putting up the baggage handler from Glasgow Airport on an anti terrorist ticket. If they do this then it will demonstrate beyond doubt (as if any more were needed) that this is a cynically rotten government, demonstrated further by it&#8217;s arrogant position regarding the result of the Irish Referendum.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay John, here&#039;s another freedom issue.....and no answers?!

letter sent to:-WEST MIDLANDS STRATEGIC HEALTH 7th June 2008:
Dear Sir,
For the attention of Steve Hilton.
Fluoride in my tap water supply:
I understand that you can answer questions on fluoride addition to the tap water supply in Bromsgrove area and that it is your sole decision on applying this chemical and that no public consultation ever took place before you added it....but in 2003, action(an act) was taken to ensure that fluoride could be added anywhere in the UK without public consultation from that date onwards, would it be therefore correct to say that the addition of fluoride was in fact illegal in 1985.
It is also understood that many other Health authorities are refusing to add fluoride, could you ascertain for me from these other Health authorities why you feel it is necessary to add fluoride and others do not!
Could you advise also why Solihull with the same amount of fluoride in the tap water sees less rotten teeth in children than Birmingham with the same level of fluoride in their tap water please and that Bromsgrove also sees less rotten teeth than Birmingham.
Can you advise why the Water companies require indemnity against adding fluoride to the water supply, why would they want this, is it because it is in fact a poison.
Please can you state why you do not teach children to brush their teeth and receive a balanced diet to give the fluoride required for healthy teeth, it is understood that Bradford have now started a drive in Mosques to teach them the benefits of healthy brushing and diet.
Can you advise why you continue to add the fluoride when the York report in 1999 said that poor studies were furnished for analyses.
Can you state that there are no lasting side effects to consuming fluoride, as I have read that colon cancer, bone brittleness, children&#039;s behaviour patterns being affected, headaches, indigestion problems.
I have enquired if a test can be made on my own body for the fluoride effect and content but have been refused by my doctor because he says that the NHS will not do this test for me.
Lastly please advise that as there is now 1ppm of fluoride in the tap water, how much food and water can I consume per day before I am in the danger zone, understanding that 1.5ppm gives fluorosis.
I would appreciate your reply as soon as possible.
This request was made sometime ago to your department but no answer came forth.
Thanking you in anticipation and not wanting an answer that goes like Alan Johnson told you it must go in, as it is primarily your decision to add fluoride and no one else&#039;s.
Yours faithfully,
Stan Francis
for Bromsgrove Clean Water Group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay John, here&#8217;s another freedom issue&#8230;..and no answers?!</p>
<p>letter sent to:-WEST MIDLANDS STRATEGIC HEALTH 7th June 2008:<br />
Dear Sir,<br />
For the attention of Steve Hilton.<br />
Fluoride in my tap water supply:<br />
I understand that you can answer questions on fluoride addition to the tap water supply in Bromsgrove area and that it is your sole decision on applying this chemical and that no public consultation ever took place before you added it&#8230;.but in 2003, action(an act) was taken to ensure that fluoride could be added anywhere in the UK without public consultation from that date onwards, would it be therefore correct to say that the addition of fluoride was in fact illegal in 1985.<br />
It is also understood that many other Health authorities are refusing to add fluoride, could you ascertain for me from these other Health authorities why you feel it is necessary to add fluoride and others do not!<br />
Could you advise also why Solihull with the same amount of fluoride in the tap water sees less rotten teeth in children than Birmingham with the same level of fluoride in their tap water please and that Bromsgrove also sees less rotten teeth than Birmingham.<br />
Can you advise why the Water companies require indemnity against adding fluoride to the water supply, why would they want this, is it because it is in fact a poison.<br />
Please can you state why you do not teach children to brush their teeth and receive a balanced diet to give the fluoride required for healthy teeth, it is understood that Bradford have now started a drive in Mosques to teach them the benefits of healthy brushing and diet.<br />
Can you advise why you continue to add the fluoride when the York report in 1999 said that poor studies were furnished for analyses.<br />
Can you state that there are no lasting side effects to consuming fluoride, as I have read that colon cancer, bone brittleness, children&#8217;s behaviour patterns being affected, headaches, indigestion problems.<br />
I have enquired if a test can be made on my own body for the fluoride effect and content but have been refused by my doctor because he says that the NHS will not do this test for me.<br />
Lastly please advise that as there is now 1ppm of fluoride in the tap water, how much food and water can I consume per day before I am in the danger zone, understanding that 1.5ppm gives fluorosis.<br />
I would appreciate your reply as soon as possible.<br />
This request was made sometime ago to your department but no answer came forth.<br />
Thanking you in anticipation and not wanting an answer that goes like Alan Johnson told you it must go in, as it is primarily your decision to add fluoride and no one else&#8217;s.<br />
Yours faithfully,<br />
Stan Francis<br />
for Bromsgrove Clean Water Group</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,
Back again and not sure if you want to keep this debate alive, or allow it to go off into the sunset along with Bush as he goes back onto the Prairie?...People are saying that last week we saw three issues hit the headlines. All on liberties, Ireland, Isle of Mann and DD. All three remind us of â€˜FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE?â€™ which is our web site address?â€¦ If you say Cameron is with DD on his stance showing our freedoms erode, then why havenâ€™t they gone further apart from lip service before(like this stance of DDâ€™s) which we can all do called old spin?...John we are in a place now that weâ€™ve never ever been in since the second world war where no one knew what the outcome could or would be. Why, was because we could see that our freedoms were about to be taken a way from us through a dictator called Hitler, Hitler has been replaced by ( a different threat in the form of -ed)the EU AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT BACK THIS TIME? â€¦ Well we are at the same cross roads once again in that our freedoms are going away so quickly, we all now feel the police state â€˜isâ€™ here and we will all be under interrogation for one thing or another in the future if not already?...Many people in this isle are law abiding people, but the new laws make us feel we are under some microscope. So okay without rabbiting on further, I have now made my point, so the question now, why is Cameron â€˜stillâ€™ with the EU, he stopped an â€˜anti-eu&#039; petition by MPâ€™s 9 months ago, why?....Thatâ€™s not supporting the freedoms of MPâ€™s acting on behalf of what the electorate are asking for John?...Many want a referendum on out of the EU and also one on the latest treaty. Cameron is only interested in the treaty and ignores the plea from us the English, ON COMPLETELY OUT with fresh negotiation to continue BUSINESS AS USUAL, whatâ€™s that say of Cameron when you say he supports DD ?..Cameron says itâ€™s his euphorian light at the end of the tunnel, more like the light is attached to a fast moving train forever coming closer to completely mow us all down?... John, we the people of this country, want fairness, pay our taxes, see kids grow up properly, innocently, terrorism despatched back to whence it came.(terrorism was voted for by our leaders in invading Iraq, we werenâ€™t asked) So when we vote on our required issues at election times in the future, we want a CONTRACT between the people and the providers, same as anyone in business. We have but one democratic right at present and that is to vote at the box, but vote for what?..You would say you put your vote in trust, sorry John, thatâ€™s for the weak to believe in and in the wake of New Labour?... So what I would like to see is an agenda of what a person/party will offer to gain election, then stick to these issues or at least show you are trying OVER A SET PERIOD OF TIME, or bring about a by-election on failure. I HAVE ASKED Bromsgrove District Council for a public scrutiny committee on decisions made and all we get is a scrutiny of councillors and handful of the public that they could never possibly win a major issue on. John, people are leaving this isle in the thousands, they are going because of what DD is now standing out on, my brother is about to leave for New Zealand at 68 years of age, heâ€™s had enough, myself, well I will plod on at every election as an independent to get what I thought we should now have by now when I was a full blown Conservative, thatâ€™s let me down time and time again, my old school pal who&#039;s leader of Birmingham Council ignores me now on my issues and becomming an independent, this shows something!!
If you want the residue of 66% of the electorate out at voting time, then give them what they want and thatâ€™s starting with FAIRNESS!...or you could just say that this isle is run for the rich and Royals and we are here as new style serfs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,<br />
Back again and not sure if you want to keep this debate alive, or allow it to go off into the sunset along with Bush as he goes back onto the Prairie?&#8230;People are saying that last week we saw three issues hit the headlines. All on liberties, Ireland, Isle of Mann and DD. All three remind us of â€˜FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE?â€™ which is our web site address?â€¦ If you say Cameron is with DD on his stance showing our freedoms erode, then why havenâ€™t they gone further apart from lip service before(like this stance of DDâ€™s) which we can all do called old spin?&#8230;John we are in a place now that weâ€™ve never ever been in since the second world war where no one knew what the outcome could or would be. Why, was because we could see that our freedoms were about to be taken a way from us through a dictator called Hitler, Hitler has been replaced by ( a different threat in the form of -ed)the EU AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO FIGHT BACK THIS TIME? â€¦ Well we are at the same cross roads once again in that our freedoms are going away so quickly, we all now feel the police state â€˜isâ€™ here and we will all be under interrogation for one thing or another in the future if not already?&#8230;Many people in this isle are law abiding people, but the new laws make us feel we are under some microscope. So okay without rabbiting on further, I have now made my point, so the question now, why is Cameron â€˜stillâ€™ with the EU, he stopped an â€˜anti-eu&#8217; petition by MPâ€™s 9 months ago, why?&#8230;.Thatâ€™s not supporting the freedoms of MPâ€™s acting on behalf of what the electorate are asking for John?&#8230;Many want a referendum on out of the EU and also one on the latest treaty. Cameron is only interested in the treaty and ignores the plea from us the English, ON COMPLETELY OUT with fresh negotiation to continue BUSINESS AS USUAL, whatâ€™s that say of Cameron when you say he supports DD ?..Cameron says itâ€™s his euphorian light at the end of the tunnel, more like the light is attached to a fast moving train forever coming closer to completely mow us all down?&#8230; John, we the people of this country, want fairness, pay our taxes, see kids grow up properly, innocently, terrorism despatched back to whence it came.(terrorism was voted for by our leaders in invading Iraq, we werenâ€™t asked) So when we vote on our required issues at election times in the future, we want a CONTRACT between the people and the providers, same as anyone in business. We have but one democratic right at present and that is to vote at the box, but vote for what?..You would say you put your vote in trust, sorry John, thatâ€™s for the weak to believe in and in the wake of New Labour?&#8230; So what I would like to see is an agenda of what a person/party will offer to gain election, then stick to these issues or at least show you are trying OVER A SET PERIOD OF TIME, or bring about a by-election on failure. I HAVE ASKED Bromsgrove District Council for a public scrutiny committee on decisions made and all we get is a scrutiny of councillors and handful of the public that they could never possibly win a major issue on. John, people are leaving this isle in the thousands, they are going because of what DD is now standing out on, my brother is about to leave for New Zealand at 68 years of age, heâ€™s had enough, myself, well I will plod on at every election as an independent to get what I thought we should now have by now when I was a full blown Conservative, thatâ€™s let me down time and time again, my old school pal who&#8217;s leader of Birmingham Council ignores me now on my issues and becomming an independent, this shows something!!<br />
If you want the residue of 66% of the electorate out at voting time, then give them what they want and thatâ€™s starting with FAIRNESS!&#8230;or you could just say that this isle is run for the rich and Royals and we are here as new style serfs?</p>
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		<title>By: Auntie Flo'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auntie Flo'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done for supporting David Davis&#039;s Haltemprice and Howden revolution, John Redwood. 

Wild horses won&#039;t keep me from supporting Davis either.

Can&#039;t believe I was never a fan of Davis...I could kiss him now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done for supporting David Davis&#8217;s Haltemprice and Howden revolution, John Redwood. </p>
<p>Wild horses won&#8217;t keep me from supporting Davis either.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t believe I was never a fan of Davis&#8230;I could kiss him now!</p>
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		<title>By: Antireptilian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antireptilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 14:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John

We have seen some principled stands by a number of conservatives, including your good self, over the past few months. I am not a conservative, but I admire the stance you chaps have taken. DD has my support, and indeed, the support of millions of ordinary people. I will donate to his cause should he require it.

We are, in my opinion, under a concerted attack by powers seeking to destroy our nation state, and transfer our allegiance to the European super state. The â€œBig Brotherâ€ apparatus is being installed to close down resistance, to divide the public and to dog train us into accepting continual monitoring of our lives. Children are being fingerprinted in schools as part of this dog training, and our police services are gradually pressured into performing oppressive actions. The Common assessment framework, Terrorism legislation, Civil contingencies act are all forming a veneer that overrides our current legislation and rights.

I quote Alex Jones
â€œTHIS IS AMAZING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SO THIS IS WHY WE RESTRICT THE SCOPE AND SIZE OF GOVERNMENT AND ITS POWER OVER US IN OUR LIVES. BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE CRIMINALS ON THE STREET, WE KNOW THERE&#039;S BAD PEOPLE, BUT THRE DON&#039;T HAVE THE MECHANISMS, THE MACHINERY OF GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY AND MILITARIZED POLICE AND PRISON COMPLEXES TO OPPRESS AT LEVELS NEVER BEFORE SEENâ€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John</p>
<p>We have seen some principled stands by a number of conservatives, including your good self, over the past few months. I am not a conservative, but I admire the stance you chaps have taken. DD has my support, and indeed, the support of millions of ordinary people. I will donate to his cause should he require it.</p>
<p>We are, in my opinion, under a concerted attack by powers seeking to destroy our nation state, and transfer our allegiance to the European super state. The â€œBig Brotherâ€ apparatus is being installed to close down resistance, to divide the public and to dog train us into accepting continual monitoring of our lives. Children are being fingerprinted in schools as part of this dog training, and our police services are gradually pressured into performing oppressive actions. The Common assessment framework, Terrorism legislation, Civil contingencies act are all forming a veneer that overrides our current legislation and rights.</p>
<p>I quote Alex Jones<br />
â€œTHIS IS AMAZING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SO THIS IS WHY WE RESTRICT THE SCOPE AND SIZE OF GOVERNMENT AND ITS POWER OVER US IN OUR LIVES. BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE CRIMINALS ON THE STREET, WE KNOW THERE&#8217;S BAD PEOPLE, BUT THRE DON&#8217;T HAVE THE MECHANISMS, THE MACHINERY OF GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY AND MILITARIZED POLICE AND PRISON COMPLEXES TO OPPRESS AT LEVELS NEVER BEFORE SEENâ€</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 06:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in a free country and until David Davis stood up for us all, I believed that I would die in a country in chains.

It was very interesting that the Westminster village and political media failed to see the broad wave of support that David Davis&#039; stance would attract - and typical of the Labour spin machine that their first reaction was to try to brand him as crazy.

As a 57-year old gardener and grandfather I have in the last 4 years been: 

a) wrongly accused of defrauding the Pensions and Benefits Agency, had my bank accounts examined without my permission and my credit record seriously damaged. I was questioned under &quot;caution&quot; and despite the &quot;case&quot; being dropped some years ago have received no word of apology, nor any correspondence from them whatsoever.

b) been &quot;arrested&quot; at a Police roadblock for stealing my own car (this was on television). What they did not show on television was the ensuing 9-hour nightmare where I was arrested, internally searched, drug-tested, fingerprinted and had my DNA taken. To add insult to injury, I had to pay Â£200 to get my car back and have been informed that due to changes in PACE, there is no chance of suing the Police for wrongful arrest. My Polish employees were absolutely horrified by the incident and told me that even under the communist regime, this would not have happened in their country.

Make no mistake, this is a Stalinist regime and we all have a duty to fight it and regain our historic freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in a free country and until David Davis stood up for us all, I believed that I would die in a country in chains.</p>
<p>It was very interesting that the Westminster village and political media failed to see the broad wave of support that David Davis&#8217; stance would attract &#8211; and typical of the Labour spin machine that their first reaction was to try to brand him as crazy.</p>
<p>As a 57-year old gardener and grandfather I have in the last 4 years been: </p>
<p>a) wrongly accused of defrauding the Pensions and Benefits Agency, had my bank accounts examined without my permission and my credit record seriously damaged. I was questioned under &#8220;caution&#8221; and despite the &#8220;case&#8221; being dropped some years ago have received no word of apology, nor any correspondence from them whatsoever.</p>
<p>b) been &#8220;arrested&#8221; at a Police roadblock for stealing my own car (this was on television). What they did not show on television was the ensuing 9-hour nightmare where I was arrested, internally searched, drug-tested, fingerprinted and had my DNA taken. To add insult to injury, I had to pay Â£200 to get my car back and have been informed that due to changes in PACE, there is no chance of suing the Police for wrongful arrest. My Polish employees were absolutely horrified by the incident and told me that even under the communist regime, this would not have happened in their country.</p>
<p>Make no mistake, this is a Stalinist regime and we all have a duty to fight it and regain our historic freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Davis&#039; speach was the most genuine that I have heard in the House for a long time.  His resignation underlines the fact that he sees this as the defining issue of the decade.  He has my whole-hearted support and I am glad you support him too, John.

I am not normally a Conservative voter and I do not live in his constituency but I would vote to re-elect him, were I in his constituency.

Further, if the Conservative party was unequivocal in its support and David Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to repeal RIPA and 42 days and kill ID cards if elected to government, that would secure my vote in the next general election regardless of my views on other matters.  Failing that, I will vote Liberal at the next election because of their stand on the issue of liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Davis&#8217; speach was the most genuine that I have heard in the House for a long time.  His resignation underlines the fact that he sees this as the defining issue of the decade.  He has my whole-hearted support and I am glad you support him too, John.</p>
<p>I am not normally a Conservative voter and I do not live in his constituency but I would vote to re-elect him, were I in his constituency.</p>
<p>Further, if the Conservative party was unequivocal in its support and David Cameron gave a cast-iron guarantee to repeal RIPA and 42 days and kill ID cards if elected to government, that would secure my vote in the next general election regardless of my views on other matters.  Failing that, I will vote Liberal at the next election because of their stand on the issue of liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 10:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Daviis it has been a long time to see anybody at Westminster  with the bottle to stand by a principle and be counted. all the bestwith your relection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Daviis it has been a long time to see anybody at Westminster  with the bottle to stand by a principle and be counted. all the bestwith your relection.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan Francis(Bromsgrove)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 07:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t find David Davis&#039;s web site or email so am sending it to you John, hope he reads this in support. What a guy, just when I felt that Tory were all the same!...(I was once one, but have learned to stand alone now)do I now say welcome to &#039;us&#039; the Independents seeing as Cameron is now distancing himself from David, but is it spin or what(we still do not know)?...If you feel strong on an issue/s, you get out, create a by-election and stand again as a candidate as an Independent AND NOT A TORY AGAIN, for all you are doing, is confirming your electorates support, this I feel he has no matter what. So he wins again in the election, what will that do?....if Cameron agreed with him in the first place, which he doesn&#039;t, he wouldn&#039;t be taking the stance he is taking, he would support him and his thoughts on liberties, taxes etc, but CAMERON is a fence sitter to get votes only, Davis who I always supported as a leader of the Tories is showing they made a big mistake in selecting CAMERON as leader. CAMERON goes for windmills, cycling, hoodies, Davis goes for adult issues....if Tories are to win at the next election, I would rather see Davis at the helm as Prime Minister, same age as myself and same schooling, so we both know about real life?

Reply: Cameron and the new Shadow Home Sec fully support the Davis stance on the freedom issues he has highlighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t find David Davis&#8217;s web site or email so am sending it to you John, hope he reads this in support. What a guy, just when I felt that Tory were all the same!&#8230;(I was once one, but have learned to stand alone now)do I now say welcome to &#8216;us&#8217; the Independents seeing as Cameron is now distancing himself from David, but is it spin or what(we still do not know)?&#8230;If you feel strong on an issue/s, you get out, create a by-election and stand again as a candidate as an Independent AND NOT A TORY AGAIN, for all you are doing, is confirming your electorates support, this I feel he has no matter what. So he wins again in the election, what will that do?&#8230;.if Cameron agreed with him in the first place, which he doesn&#8217;t, he wouldn&#8217;t be taking the stance he is taking, he would support him and his thoughts on liberties, taxes etc, but CAMERON is a fence sitter to get votes only, Davis who I always supported as a leader of the Tories is showing they made a big mistake in selecting CAMERON as leader. CAMERON goes for windmills, cycling, hoodies, Davis goes for adult issues&#8230;.if Tories are to win at the next election, I would rather see Davis at the helm as Prime Minister, same age as myself and same schooling, so we both know about real life?</p>
<p>Reply: Cameron and the new Shadow Home Sec fully support the Davis stance on the freedom issues he has highlighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done David Davis.  At the moment, this is perhaps  the most important issue.  It is not simply what this government is doing/not doing on the domestic front; it is also their history of disasters in international affairs.  These are the same people who claim to be &quot;supporting democracy&quot; in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Somewhere, someone claims that 67% of the electorate support 42 days detention without charge.  Why have I not met anyone who actually supports any of the recent or proposed legislation  ?

How serious is the &quot;terrorist threat&quot; ?  How compromised is our &quot;national security&quot; ?
 
Though the attacks which have occurred in the UK have been horrible, they have not been so many and so severe as would justify this government&#039;s paranoia.   If the terrorists are being apprehended before acting on their plans, why are there not more court cases ?  (words left out)
 
It just does not add up.  Am I really living in a country where &quot;the people&quot; have become so stupid that they accept the words of &quot;proven liars&quot; ?
 
The individual citizens of this country are now more thoroughly documented, monitored and watched than citizens of the Soviet Union in the days of Stalin.  (words left out) 
Even were the &quot;threat&quot; a thousand times worse, these policies, laws and practises could not be justified.  Such an invasion of privacy and removal of civil liberties could only be allowed if those who promote them can guarantee that we will never find ourselves ruled by some future (tyrantc -ed).  I do not understand why this governemnt does not give such a guarantee - it would only be one more lie !
 
For those who say &quot;Why worry - if you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide...&quot; I can only offer the unconditional pity that one reserves for the totally moronic and those totally bereft of any common sense.  You may not want to hide from Mr Brown&#039;s government because they clearly care deeply for you and your family... but you may not feel so comfortable under a (nasty -ed)government.
 
&quot;It can&#039;t happen here...&quot;  It is happening and NOW !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done David Davis.  At the moment, this is perhaps  the most important issue.  It is not simply what this government is doing/not doing on the domestic front; it is also their history of disasters in international affairs.  These are the same people who claim to be &#8220;supporting democracy&#8221; in Iraq and Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Somewhere, someone claims that 67% of the electorate support 42 days detention without charge.  Why have I not met anyone who actually supports any of the recent or proposed legislation  ?</p>
<p>How serious is the &#8220;terrorist threat&#8221; ?  How compromised is our &#8220;national security&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Though the attacks which have occurred in the UK have been horrible, they have not been so many and so severe as would justify this government&#8217;s paranoia.   If the terrorists are being apprehended before acting on their plans, why are there not more court cases ?  (words left out)</p>
<p>It just does not add up.  Am I really living in a country where &#8220;the people&#8221; have become so stupid that they accept the words of &#8220;proven liars&#8221; ?</p>
<p>The individual citizens of this country are now more thoroughly documented, monitored and watched than citizens of the Soviet Union in the days of Stalin.  (words left out)<br />
Even were the &#8220;threat&#8221; a thousand times worse, these policies, laws and practises could not be justified.  Such an invasion of privacy and removal of civil liberties could only be allowed if those who promote them can guarantee that we will never find ourselves ruled by some future (tyrantc -ed).  I do not understand why this governemnt does not give such a guarantee &#8211; it would only be one more lie !</p>
<p>For those who say &#8220;Why worry &#8211; if you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide&#8230;&#8221; I can only offer the unconditional pity that one reserves for the totally moronic and those totally bereft of any common sense.  You may not want to hide from Mr Brown&#8217;s government because they clearly care deeply for you and your family&#8230; but you may not feel so comfortable under a (nasty -ed)government.</p>
<p>&#8220;It can&#8217;t happen here&#8230;&#8221;  It is happening and NOW !</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Horwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Horwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is typical of a megalomaniac like Brown to describe the actions of a man of principle as a stunt and a farce. Just another reason to get Brown and his cronies out of power as soon as possible.

It must make real Labour supporters extremely embarassed to have so many MP&#039;s who are not prepared to stand up for democracy and freedom, and act in a way that is totally contrary to the British way of life.

David Davis deserves the support of everyone who believes that our fundamental freedoms, which you so eloquently describe, are worth fighting for, and his bravery and principled stand should go down as a victory for decency and common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is typical of a megalomaniac like Brown to describe the actions of a man of principle as a stunt and a farce. Just another reason to get Brown and his cronies out of power as soon as possible.</p>
<p>It must make real Labour supporters extremely embarassed to have so many MP&#8217;s who are not prepared to stand up for democracy and freedom, and act in a way that is totally contrary to the British way of life.</p>
<p>David Davis deserves the support of everyone who believes that our fundamental freedoms, which you so eloquently describe, are worth fighting for, and his bravery and principled stand should go down as a victory for decency and common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Davis has shown that principled people are still in politics and that the New Labour age of spin has not destroyed all the decent politicians.

New Labour have given in to the terrorists by doing their job of destroying our civil liberties for them. It now will fall to the likes of David Davis and the Conservatives to make a stand. 

New Labour says they have the support of the electorate for 42 days - well, they should show it by fighting a general election NOW by asking the electorate two questions:

1: Do you support 42 days detention without trial?

2: Do you support the Lisbon Treaty?

If they are so sure about what the electorate thinks, then why not refresh their mandate and gave Brown his first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Davis has shown that principled people are still in politics and that the New Labour age of spin has not destroyed all the decent politicians.</p>
<p>New Labour have given in to the terrorists by doing their job of destroying our civil liberties for them. It now will fall to the likes of David Davis and the Conservatives to make a stand. </p>
<p>New Labour says they have the support of the electorate for 42 days &#8211; well, they should show it by fighting a general election NOW by asking the electorate two questions:</p>
<p>1: Do you support 42 days detention without trial?</p>
<p>2: Do you support the Lisbon Treaty?</p>
<p>If they are so sure about what the electorate thinks, then why not refresh their mandate and gave Brown his first?</p>
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