Comments on: Open Europe understates the true numbers involved in EU legislation. http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/ Conservative Party Candidate for Wokingham Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:56:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: mikestallard http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/#comment-23295 mikestallard Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:53:10 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1270#comment-23295 Do you get the feeling that the EU is inevitable? I am currently reading about Prussia which, against its will and against everything the Prussians believed in, was carried kicking and screaming into the position of running Germany. It seems now that this was an inevitiable process. Ten years ago, I saw the EU both as inevitable in that sort of way and also as something to be looked forward to and helped forward by every sane citizen. Now, to be honest, I am not so sure. A better parallel, perhaps, is Communist Russia in about the time of, say, Kruschev? Do you get the feeling that the EU is inevitable?
I am currently reading about Prussia which, against its will and against everything the Prussians believed in, was carried kicking and screaming into the position of running Germany. It seems now that this was an inevitiable process.
Ten years ago, I saw the EU both as inevitable in that sort of way and also as something to be looked forward to and helped forward by every sane citizen.
Now, to be honest, I am not so sure. A better parallel, perhaps, is Communist Russia in about the time of, say, Kruschev?

]]> By: Neil Craig http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/#comment-23279 Neil Craig Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:27:41 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1270#comment-23279 Most studies find that less regulated countries out perform more regulated ones (unsurprising) & that regulations cost the people 20 times more than they cost the government (surprising). Habits of Highly Effective Countries p58 http://brianmicklethwait.signal100.com/podcast/HabitsofHighlyEffectiveCountries.pdf Hence the EU is the slowest growing region of the world. The problem with your proposal John is that I believe there is a zero chance of it being adopted. We have been promised reform of the EU since we joined & it has more bureaucracy now than then. Sometimes the best repair is throwing something away. Most studies find that less regulated countries out perform more regulated ones (unsurprising) & that regulations cost the people 20 times more than they cost the government (surprising).

Habits of Highly Effective Countries p58 http://brianmicklethwait.signal100.com/podcast/HabitsofHighlyEffectiveCountries.pdf
Hence the EU is the slowest growing region of the world. The problem with your proposal John is that I believe there is a zero chance of it being adopted. We have been promised reform of the EU since we joined & it has more bureaucracy now than then. Sometimes the best repair is throwing something away.

]]> By: David Eyles http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/#comment-23273 David Eyles Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:46:09 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1270#comment-23273 Every time I fill in a VAT form, I am acting as an (unpaid) employee of the state. As both you and Iain says, the number of people whose jobs are actually dependent upon the EU are seriously understated in this figure. I assume the figure quoted was for the UK only, but even so, I reckon you could multiply this by about 20 to get closer to the real magnitude. Every time I fill in a VAT form, I am acting as an (unpaid) employee of the state. As both you and Iain says, the number of people whose jobs are actually dependent upon the EU are seriously understated in this figure. I assume the figure quoted was for the UK only, but even so, I reckon you could multiply this by about 20 to get closer to the real magnitude.

]]> By: Iain http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/#comment-23263 Iain Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:02:03 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1270#comment-23263 The most obvious lie from the EU fanatics when they state that the EU has less staff than Birmingham council is that they choose to conveniently forget that the EU co-opts much of our civil service to implement its laws and diktats. The most obvious lie from the EU fanatics when they state that the EU has less staff than Birmingham council is that they choose to conveniently forget that the EU co-opts much of our civil service to implement its laws and diktats.

]]> By: Johnny Norfolk http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/08/11/open-europe-understates-the-true-numbers-involved-in-eu-legislation/#comment-23257 Johnny Norfolk Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:27:28 +0000 http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/?p=1270#comment-23257 Just what you would expect from the BBC. The have broken the charter when you can see the are not impartial. They are, Pro UN Anti Tory Pro Labour Anti big business Anti Royal Family Pro EU Anti English Anti US republican The list goes on and we should not be able to detect their likes and dislikes if the were keepimg to their charter. The BBC is part of this countries problem. Just what you would expect from the BBC. The have broken the charter when you can see the are not impartial.

They are,

Pro UN
Anti Tory
Pro Labour
Anti big business
Anti Royal Family
Pro EU
Anti English
Anti US republican

The list goes on and we should not be able to detect their likes and dislikes if the were keepimg to their charter.

The BBC is part of this countries problem.

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