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	<description>Conservative Party Candidate for Wokingham</description>
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		<title>By: Bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24824</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, it is not the Administrator&#039;s job to be concerned about customers; if he did this he would be open to lawsuits from major creditors. 

The CAA, however, might be considered to have more flexibility in its responses: I suspect that it too, is circumscribed by its remit. Perhaps an offer to the Administrators to say pay them £15 million (£20m is being touted as the ultimate cost of repatriations), cash that they might welcome on behalf of the creditors, for the use of the planes and crew for a period to provide the needed capacity might have been worthwhile, but this probably requires government approval: not much chance of a swift response on that from this dithering bunch!

Reply: Not so. The bond was I believe £42 million and had been paid so the Regulator can get people home and sort out the customer problems. Why wasn&#039;t it better used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, it is not the Administrator&#8217;s job to be concerned about customers; if he did this he would be open to lawsuits from major creditors. </p>
<p>The CAA, however, might be considered to have more flexibility in its responses: I suspect that it too, is circumscribed by its remit. Perhaps an offer to the Administrators to say pay them £15 million (£20m is being touted as the ultimate cost of repatriations), cash that they might welcome on behalf of the creditors, for the use of the planes and crew for a period to provide the needed capacity might have been worthwhile, but this probably requires government approval: not much chance of a swift response on that from this dithering bunch!</p>
<p>Reply: Not so. The bond was I believe £42 million and had been paid so the Regulator can get people home and sort out the customer problems. Why wasn&#8217;t it better used?</p>
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		<title>By: Bayesian</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24817</link>
		<dc:creator>Bayesian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know perfectly well why the administrator acts as he does—he is charged with protecting the interests of the creditors as far as he can, not the customers. That is the law that parliament enacted, and which you seem to feign ignorance of. And in most cases it is the appropriate response. 

Even in this case it is. A customer makes a purchase which is for delivery in the future. He knows that fuel prices are volatile. He sees that many companies are having difficulties. He does not take out appropriate insurance: &quot;surely the government will sort this out for me!&quot;. And now we find that wet Tory MPs (you, Mr Redwood) think this is what should happen, in one guise or another. The key phrase is &quot;caveat emptor&quot;. 

Again, the key phrase is: &quot;caveat emptor&quot;. Once Tories start thinking, and stating, that this is not the right approach, we are doomed. Or do Tories think that these peole are too thick to take precautions with their money, so we&#039;d better mollycoddle them with taxpayers money? I appreciate that you think that the industry should insure itself, but why would they: they are profit making firms first, not a social backstop.

Reply: No, you are missing my point. The idnustry already has to take out compulsory insurance through the Bong system. I am talking about how the CAA/Administrator spends the bonded cash to get people home. Of course the creditors need protecting to the extent that they can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know perfectly well why the administrator acts as he does—he is charged with protecting the interests of the creditors as far as he can, not the customers. That is the law that parliament enacted, and which you seem to feign ignorance of. And in most cases it is the appropriate response. </p>
<p>Even in this case it is. A customer makes a purchase which is for delivery in the future. He knows that fuel prices are volatile. He sees that many companies are having difficulties. He does not take out appropriate insurance: &#8220;surely the government will sort this out for me!&#8221;. And now we find that wet Tory MPs (you, Mr Redwood) think this is what should happen, in one guise or another. The key phrase is &#8220;caveat emptor&#8221;. </p>
<p>Again, the key phrase is: &#8220;caveat emptor&#8221;. Once Tories start thinking, and stating, that this is not the right approach, we are doomed. Or do Tories think that these peole are too thick to take precautions with their money, so we&#8217;d better mollycoddle them with taxpayers money? I appreciate that you think that the industry should insure itself, but why would they: they are profit making firms first, not a social backstop.</p>
<p>Reply: No, you are missing my point. The idnustry already has to take out compulsory insurance through the Bong system. I am talking about how the CAA/Administrator spends the bonded cash to get people home. Of course the creditors need protecting to the extent that they can be.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be cynical or clever as I paid the excess five quid on the credit card for the flight tickets this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be cynical or clever as I paid the excess five quid on the credit card for the flight tickets this year.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24783</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that I managed to sell my Spanish house and move back home! without cheap reliable flights, living in Spain would have been a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that I managed to sell my Spanish house and move back home! without cheap reliable flights, living in Spain would have been a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Rees</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24778</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Rees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we now have adopted an open skys policy and American airlines are free to ply for trade on inter EU routes, would it not be a good time to introduce Chapter11 style bancrupcy. As it stands with the whole industry looking shaky certainly gives the US carriers a USP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we now have adopted an open skys policy and American airlines are free to ply for trade on inter EU routes, would it not be a good time to introduce Chapter11 style bancrupcy. As it stands with the whole industry looking shaky certainly gives the US carriers a USP</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a case where I think the straight free market rules of bankruptcy should be modified. The administrator should have the right to get government to pay, for a short time, the expenses of fulfilling time dependent contracts with the public. In this case that would have meant keeping the aircraft fueled &amp; flying for 2 weeks &amp; trying to place others on later flights. The cost to government would be so very much less than the costs to the 90,000 people abroad, among others, that it is justified. This would also apply to the Fairpack debacle. Government already takes on paying redundancy payments which a bankrupt company cannot live up to.

I admit, in the present instance,  this is a matter of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Still there will be more horses in future &amp; the cost of this is nothing compared to bailing out banks we &quot;cannot allow&quot; to fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a case where I think the straight free market rules of bankruptcy should be modified. The administrator should have the right to get government to pay, for a short time, the expenses of fulfilling time dependent contracts with the public. In this case that would have meant keeping the aircraft fueled &amp; flying for 2 weeks &amp; trying to place others on later flights. The cost to government would be so very much less than the costs to the 90,000 people abroad, among others, that it is justified. This would also apply to the Fairpack debacle. Government already takes on paying redundancy payments which a bankrupt company cannot live up to.</p>
<p>I admit, in the present instance,  this is a matter of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. Still there will be more horses in future &amp; the cost of this is nothing compared to bailing out banks we &#8220;cannot allow&#8221; to fail.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24771</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;From the moment they admit they have failed, we should look to the Adminstrator and Regulator to run things better.&quot;

Two words, &#039;holiday insurance&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &#8220;From the moment they admit they have failed, we should look to the Adminstrator and Regulator to run things better.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two words, &#8216;holiday insurance&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/13/another-day-another-regulated-business-goes-under/#comment-24767</link>
		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice the Straumur Bank - XL&#039;s banker - was quick off the mark.  It took over the assets of the French and German subsidiaries in the blink of an eye.  &quot;... which Straumur considers to be financially viable and sustainable businesses ...&quot;.  No cross subsidy there then.

I understand at one airport, cop cars chased the plane down the taxiway.  I expect the polot did not have enough room on his credit card to pay the fuel and airport charges.  Or the leaser wanted its plane back pronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice the Straumur Bank &#8211; XL&#8217;s banker &#8211; was quick off the mark.  It took over the assets of the French and German subsidiaries in the blink of an eye.  &#8220;&#8230; which Straumur considers to be financially viable and sustainable businesses &#8230;&#8221;.  No cross subsidy there then.</p>
<p>I understand at one airport, cop cars chased the plane down the taxiway.  I expect the polot did not have enough room on his credit card to pay the fuel and airport charges.  Or the leaser wanted its plane back pronto.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s quite a ridiculous situation when you have the liquidator placing itself before the needs of people.
The CAA if anything, should have been able to step in, see to all the stranded people to get them home and then once it had satisfied itself the public need was sorted FIRST, it could hand things over to the liquidator.

The liquidator incidentally will certainly take its &quot;cut&quot; first before any other bills are paid and way way way before people&#039;s immediate needs are sorted because their needs aren&#039;t even in the reckoning.

It&#039;s a classic example of money and corporative investors and businesses coming before people yet again, even when the most extreme hardship is being faced by tens of thousands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite a ridiculous situation when you have the liquidator placing itself before the needs of people.<br />
The CAA if anything, should have been able to step in, see to all the stranded people to get them home and then once it had satisfied itself the public need was sorted FIRST, it could hand things over to the liquidator.</p>
<p>The liquidator incidentally will certainly take its &#8220;cut&#8221; first before any other bills are paid and way way way before people&#8217;s immediate needs are sorted because their needs aren&#8217;t even in the reckoning.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a classic example of money and corporative investors and businesses coming before people yet again, even when the most extreme hardship is being faced by tens of thousands.</p>
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		<title>By: Guthrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guthrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the taxpayer is going to have to bail out the compensation fund to the tune of £2m, as it is already in deficit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the taxpayer is going to have to bail out the compensation fund to the tune of £2m, as it is already in deficit</p>
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