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	<description>Conservative Party Candidate for Wokingham</description>
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		<title>By: This is politics calling Nick Clegg, is there anyone there? &#171; Letters From A Tory</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-26647</link>
		<dc:creator>This is politics calling Nick Clegg, is there anyone there? &#171; Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that you have been forced to shop at Sainsburys instead of Ocado.  On the same page, I also found John Redwood savaging you for thinking that the basic pension was £30 a week, which caused you great embarrassment in the Commons if memory serves me correctly.  Having failed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that you have been forced to shop at Sainsburys instead of Ocado.  On the same page, I also found John Redwood savaging you for thinking that the basic pension was £30 a week, which caused you great embarrassment in the Commons if memory serves me correctly.  Having failed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Strang</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25173</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Strang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Hedgies weren&#039;t shorting the banks to any significant extent though..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Hedgies weren&#8217;t shorting the banks to any significant extent though..</p>
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		<title>By: Autoversicherung</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25127</link>
		<dc:creator>Autoversicherung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excelent comment. My favorit Blog. Thanks and best regards from Autoversicherung</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excelent comment. My favorit Blog. Thanks and best regards from Autoversicherung</p>
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		<title>By: Dirty Euro</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25066</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirty Euro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No because then the share traders have made money from buying shares and then sell them for a profit if the government supports them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No because then the share traders have made money from buying shares and then sell them for a profit if the government supports them.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25046</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having thought about it a little more, I realise, Mr Cable and I are both wrong. Hmmm, cold Crow, delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having thought about it a little more, I realise, Mr Cable and I are both wrong. Hmmm, cold Crow, delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: Bursting the Vince Cable bubble &#171; Lightwater</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25041</link>
		<dc:creator>Bursting the Vince Cable bubble &#171; Lightwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] John Redwood also questions Vince Cable&#8217;s knowledge of the financial markets. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] John Redwood also questions Vince Cable&#8217;s knowledge of the financial markets. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25032</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They would at least provide a more honest opposition without so much spin, which is a thing to feel comfortable about if progressing politics in the way we need it to progress.

I believe they have their hearts in the right place even though they&#039;re lacking on the old European front, but a believable opposition which looks for things which are good for the country and can agree with decent policies yet argue their case openly without so many soundbites ( ? ) is what&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They would at least provide a more honest opposition without so much spin, which is a thing to feel comfortable about if progressing politics in the way we need it to progress.</p>
<p>I believe they have their hearts in the right place even though they&#8217;re lacking on the old European front, but a believable opposition which looks for things which are good for the country and can agree with decent policies yet argue their case openly without so many soundbites ( ? ) is what&#8217;s needed.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25027</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey - we really are moving up a class of blogg Artist here aren&#039;t we! Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey &#8211; we really are moving up a class of blogg Artist here aren&#8217;t we! Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25026</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much want the Lib Dems to take over from the ghastly Labour as the party of opposition. Now that they have their Tony Blair (Clegg) in charge - a man of Conservative Principles (well, almost!), I think this makes it more likely and I welcome that.
Vince Cable is so telegenic and he gives a patina of leftie Wit to the dear old Green BBC. Remember the Mr Benn gag? I think he is an asset not an ass - well, perhaps, thinking about it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much want the Lib Dems to take over from the ghastly Labour as the party of opposition. Now that they have their Tony Blair (Clegg) in charge &#8211; a man of Conservative Principles (well, almost!), I think this makes it more likely and I welcome that.<br />
Vince Cable is so telegenic and he gives a patina of leftie Wit to the dear old Green BBC. Remember the Mr Benn gag? I think he is an asset not an ass &#8211; well, perhaps, thinking about it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Cllr David Burbage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cllr David Burbage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince calls which way the Fed will go on Lehman Bros
Posted by davidburbage on September 17, 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7616000/7616089.stm

Stourton : They’re not going to be allowed to go bust, you say, but they have gone bust!

Vince : Well indeed but [ .. ] probably along the lines of Bear Stearns, the US Treasury will step in here.

I’m not sure this has happened … and Hank Paulson, who should know whether the US Treasury should/would/could act, rather has a different view to Vince

Paulson said the situation with Lehman was ‘very, very different’ from the one facing regulators earlier this year, when the Federal Reserve helped JP Morgan Chase (nyse: JPM - news - people ) buy Bear Stearns.

and

Paulson said he ‘never once considered that it was appropriate to put taxpayer money on the line’ for Lehman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince calls which way the Fed will go on Lehman Bros<br />
Posted by davidburbage on September 17, 2008</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7616000/7616089.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7616000/7616089.stm</a></p>
<p>Stourton : They’re not going to be allowed to go bust, you say, but they have gone bust!</p>
<p>Vince : Well indeed but [ .. ] probably along the lines of Bear Stearns, the US Treasury will step in here.</p>
<p>I’m not sure this has happened … and Hank Paulson, who should know whether the US Treasury should/would/could act, rather has a different view to Vince</p>
<p>Paulson said the situation with Lehman was ‘very, very different’ from the one facing regulators earlier this year, when the Federal Reserve helped JP Morgan Chase (nyse: JPM &#8211; news &#8211; people ) buy Bear Stearns.</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Paulson said he ‘never once considered that it was appropriate to put taxpayer money on the line’ for Lehman.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25019</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Official financial support is designed &quot;

But it doesn&#039;t necessarily have the intended effect. Ultimately, if an organisation was sound say, turning in vigourous earnings, it would be very difficult to successfully short the stock.

Perhaps the government loans ought to be used by the company to permit it to buy its stock off the market at the depressed price, essentially go private. That would insulate the company from hedge/shorting pressure and give it time to reorganise its affairs. 

The government could recoup its &#039;investment&#039; by recieving interest, and repayment of capital should the company successfully re-float.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Official financial support is designed &#8221;</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t necessarily have the intended effect. Ultimately, if an organisation was sound say, turning in vigourous earnings, it would be very difficult to successfully short the stock.</p>
<p>Perhaps the government loans ought to be used by the company to permit it to buy its stock off the market at the depressed price, essentially go private. That would insulate the company from hedge/shorting pressure and give it time to reorganise its affairs. </p>
<p>The government could recoup its &#8216;investment&#8217; by recieving interest, and repayment of capital should the company successfully re-float.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;Could someone explain to Mr Cable that the last thing someone short of bank shares wants to happen is an announcement of official support for that bank.&quot;

In the case of Fannie &amp; Freddie, the common shareholder was wiped out, similar has happened with AIG. Thus the government support does not raise the stock price, rather it destroys it.

Official financial support is designed to allow the bank to carry on trading without the taxpayer taking the equity - that is what Mr Cable was referring to. It lifts the stock price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &#8220;Could someone explain to Mr Cable that the last thing someone short of bank shares wants to happen is an announcement of official support for that bank.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the case of Fannie &amp; Freddie, the common shareholder was wiped out, similar has happened with AIG. Thus the government support does not raise the stock price, rather it destroys it.</p>
<p>Official financial support is designed to allow the bank to carry on trading without the taxpayer taking the equity &#8211; that is what Mr Cable was referring to. It lifts the stock price.</p>
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		<title>By: Odeston</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25017</link>
		<dc:creator>Odeston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the matter of the takeover, not once did radio 4 news at One today refer to the &#039;competence&#039; of the EU. Theirs is the decision, not Brown&#039;s nor Darling&#039;s. Our &#039;domestic&#039; government  has irrevocably surrendered control of our destiny to those wretched European  Federalists. Both these governments are our enemies nowadays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the matter of the takeover, not once did radio 4 news at One today refer to the &#8216;competence&#8217; of the EU. Theirs is the decision, not Brown&#8217;s nor Darling&#8217;s. Our &#8216;domestic&#8217; government  has irrevocably surrendered control of our destiny to those wretched European  Federalists. Both these governments are our enemies nowadays.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cable, has also stood up in the commons and welcomed sky high oil prices then urged them to go higher still.

Ian dale reports Clegg has called the credit crunch &quot;this great, big intangible thing&quot;

and claimed he has never heard of Lehman Bros. or Bear Stearns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cable, has also stood up in the commons and welcomed sky high oil prices then urged them to go higher still.</p>
<p>Ian dale reports Clegg has called the credit crunch &#8220;this great, big intangible thing&#8221;</p>
<p>and claimed he has never heard of Lehman Bros. or Bear Stearns.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Schnarr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Schnarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite true!  It reminded me of the reaction of one of my corporals many years ago, after a similar caliber speech by the Battery Commander, &quot;Pigs greased, Sir, ready to fly&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite true!  It reminded me of the reaction of one of my corporals many years ago, after a similar caliber speech by the Battery Commander, &#8220;Pigs greased, Sir, ready to fly&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25009</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The £30 State Pension was a classic. Good spot on Cable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The £30 State Pension was a classic. Good spot on Cable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/09/18/clegg-and-cable-the-two-gaffers/#comment-25003</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cable has form. The LibDems kept insisting that hedge fund managers paid less tax than their cleaners. It was of course the private equity people. CGT/taper relief meant some rich money managers paid less tax. No one bothered correcting them then either. 
I suspect that Cable has some vague memory of speculative attacks on fixed exchange rates in mind, when he attacks hedge fund shorting. Here it is the taxpayer defending a narrow exchange rate band, with lots of potential losses if the fix goes, and no upside if the fix stays. He is a bit of a dummy. 
I suppose he might mean that shorters cause bankruptcies paid for by taxpayers, but that need not be the case and surely then it is the regulators who didnt regulate a bank properly that are to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cable has form. The LibDems kept insisting that hedge fund managers paid less tax than their cleaners. It was of course the private equity people. CGT/taper relief meant some rich money managers paid less tax. No one bothered correcting them then either.<br />
I suspect that Cable has some vague memory of speculative attacks on fixed exchange rates in mind, when he attacks hedge fund shorting. Here it is the taxpayer defending a narrow exchange rate band, with lots of potential losses if the fix goes, and no upside if the fix stays. He is a bit of a dummy.<br />
I suppose he might mean that shorters cause bankruptcies paid for by taxpayers, but that need not be the case and surely then it is the regulators who didnt regulate a bank properly that are to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone who apparently &quot;hates&quot; Cameron, I could not understand why Cleggover was at such pains to impersonate him down to the carefully rehearsed impromptu speech and non-threatening gesture?

As for the ludicrous Cable, after making such a fool of himself on Northern Rock, you would hope he would check the basic correctness of his assertions.  We are at least spared any possibility of him getting his hands on the levers of power.  

As for the banks, if they really have taken stupid speculative risks, then they should fail.  Making the wider system more liquid at this time is probably sensible (along with rates cuts that I know you support), but I really can’t see any case for taxpayer support of poorly run business that took stupid risk.

Reply: The solutions I recommend are usually private sector, and of course entail poor businesses paying for their failure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone who apparently &#8220;hates&#8221; Cameron, I could not understand why Cleggover was at such pains to impersonate him down to the carefully rehearsed impromptu speech and non-threatening gesture?</p>
<p>As for the ludicrous Cable, after making such a fool of himself on Northern Rock, you would hope he would check the basic correctness of his assertions.  We are at least spared any possibility of him getting his hands on the levers of power.  </p>
<p>As for the banks, if they really have taken stupid speculative risks, then they should fail.  Making the wider system more liquid at this time is probably sensible (along with rates cuts that I know you support), but I really can’t see any case for taxpayer support of poorly run business that took stupid risk.</p>
<p>Reply: The solutions I recommend are usually private sector, and of course entail poor businesses paying for their failure</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spotted Mr Redwood.

We need the media to expose these people who has difficulty in understanding the difference between their rears and their elbows when it comes to such an important thing as our economy.

I see Clegg heaped praise on him too or was he just reading the autocue ?

Someone should give them both a nudge as you say or else give a sharp bang to the top of that autocue which is obviously flawed and making them both speak drivel unfortunately !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spotted Mr Redwood.</p>
<p>We need the media to expose these people who has difficulty in understanding the difference between their rears and their elbows when it comes to such an important thing as our economy.</p>
<p>I see Clegg heaped praise on him too or was he just reading the autocue ?</p>
<p>Someone should give them both a nudge as you say or else give a sharp bang to the top of that autocue which is obviously flawed and making them both speak drivel unfortunately !</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, Mr Cable.  Once you&#039;re out of your Commons comfort zone, you look a little shaky don&#039;t you!

http://lettersfromatory.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, Mr Cable.  Once you&#8217;re out of your Commons comfort zone, you look a little shaky don&#8217;t you!</p>
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