Comments on: ID cards – No, No, No

By: Paul Gudgeon

Paul Gudgeon — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:54:36 +0000

Mr Redwood,

Thanks for your firm stance against this insidious card. I truly hope that the conservatives can battle it out and defeat this rotten policy of a rotten labour government.

So the labour government wants to monitor the population? The feeling is reciprocated. I want to check out the labour government and catch them out in their multitude of lies and plethora of smokescreens.

Labour’s boast when it was elected was that “things can only get better”, but my experience of life under labour is that things have become significantly worse.

Young people knifing and shooting in the streets. Babies being battered while councils look on making sure they fulfil labour whims? With all that happening this labour government is blowing our hard earned tax money on encumbering us with this pointless ID card. Making up stories as they go along about the benefits of this half-witted idea. They are MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO. Is that government? Aweful. I’d like to write a 10 page diatribe against this pathetic lot.

Why don’t they focus on the issues that *actually matter*. Protecting 17 month old infants, and dealing with knife crime? For example.

I want to live with a sense of *freedom*, *peace*, safety, knowing that I can go out to a good job, and pay taxes for good, sensible services; not pipe-dreams.

By: Glen

Glen — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 00:34:30 +0000

Nothing to hide? Well it appears you have anticommunity tendancies as well. Trying to rubbish the culture’s great leap forward to Flouresceht light bulbs which as we all know is part of the oath you have sworn to your electricty supplier! Expect a knock on your door at 3am sometime!

By: mikestallard

mikestallard — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:08:40 +0000

What is so terribly scary is that a University should allow such a biassed dissertation in the first place. Is that impartial education, I wonder?
The subliminal message is clear: “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, so don’t be ridiculous”.
I wonder how much of this thread will, for instance, be impartially reproduced in the final draft?

By: Glen

Glen — Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:56:59 +0000

You’ve had a reply on the various customer cards.
My reply is about an id card.
You cannot compare the two.
If, as I have done, you’ve lived in a country that had Id cards, you would know that they can be cloned, duplicated etc. Thy do not do what the government says it wants them to do even if there was no ulterior motive. And they represent a line beyond which I do not want a generally (there are rare exceptions), immoral, untrustworthy bunch of self-interested people (politicians) to cross in my life.
You seem to be quite young and nieve, have you studied too the tactics of dictatorships? Do you believe that once someone has introduced something that increases their control over another that their appetite for more will be satisfied.
No, history proves the danger of allowing any state to take over too much control.
Small is beautiful, large and impersonal has never worked. If you don’t know me by my face then I want the option to keep my identity to myself.
If you are doing your disertation, it concerns me more than somewhat that you haven’t even explored the opposite side of the coin and have appeared to prejudge the result? Sorry but I don’t believe you have done your homework properly.

By: Sarah

Sarah — Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:40:44 +0000

I am a final year student doing my dissertation on the ID card.
I am trying to understand WHY people do not want the ID card. But mostly, I want to understand why it is acceptable in this society to have Nectar cards, Oyster cards, Library cards etc… which give those companies much more information and power on us than an ID card.
Would you be willing to answer some questions via email for me? Thank you

Reply: they will be useless, mandatory and entail large payments by taxpayers to buy them. The other cards you mention are useful voluntary and you only have to pay when you do something with them.

By: Glen

Glen — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 11:28:20 +0000

I for one will be following the example of the black and Indian People in South Africa in the 1930s who when required by the South African Government to carry passes, decided to hold mass rallies in which they burnt their passes and rejected the whole system by civil disobedience.
Nothing new under the sun except I never expected to see this behaviour from a so called democratic government.
Democracy! These people dirty the word.

By: Stuart Fairney

Stuart Fairney — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:27:05 +0000

Their remit only extends so far, and all one need do is divest oneself of assets (really quite easy) and what can the bewildered baliff take? Set aside the fact that nowhere near 100% of fines are ever collected.

If an airline on seeing my passport still demands my ID card, then I’ll find another airline. If the bank, after knowing me for twenty plus years demands to see my ID card, I am happy to bank offshore.

In a global world government powers are more limited than they like to think. And if all else fails, I will simply leave the UK, because I am not a criminal and will not be treated like one.

By: 10 No6

10 No6 — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:13:50 +0000

I would like to see a mass protest against ID cards – I too will rebel and refuse it as my right is there not a politician who will pick up this human right.

By: Conservative Freedom

Conservative Freedom — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:12:05 +0000

In my humble opinion, the entire concept of introducing ID cards has been flawed from the start. Firstly, it will be very expensive to implement. Secondly, it won’t help in the detection or capture of criminals (despite the claims of some). Furthermore, is there any hard evidence that such an initiative would help to reduce fraud?

I have heard the argument that we should accept ID cards, simply because other Europeans do. However, the NIR (National Identity Register) proposed by Labour would have the potential to expose our lives to the scrutiny of numerous faceless bureaucrats.

By: Andrew Forbes

Andrew Forbes — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:58:00 +0000

The only clever bit about the ID card bill (I mean clever, as in devious), is that there is no prison sentence attached to it. This means there shall be no parade of ID card matyrs, respectable middle-class tax payers 1 and all, parading off to prison. All ID card offences are punishable by ever increasing fines, so that ultimately the bailiffs will cart off your furniture. But you will never be allowed to make your stand and march proudly into prison, together with the other posters here, and me. It won’t be the govt that forces you to carry an ID card, but your bank who won’t give you money, or the airline that makes it so much more difficult to buy a ticket. We are completely reliant on the Tory promise to scrap the scheme.

By: Frank Davis

Frank Davis — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:05:35 +0000

I’ve heard that the Conservatives are planning a ‘Freedom Charter’ that would scrap ID cards, remove non-criminals from the national DNA database, and allow exemptions to the smoking ban in pubs and clubs. I’d agree to all that. But is it just a rumour?

By: Confused & Angry

Confused & Angry — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:48:05 +0000

This makes me livid.
Irrespective of whether or not ID cards ‘work’, whatever that means, the whole exercise is an affront to those of us who still like to think of ourselves as freeborn Englishmen.
Why should I have to carry my ‘papers’ with me, to prove who I am at the behest of every Tom McNulty, Cressida Dick or Harriet Harman?
I was born in this country and I have every right to live here and to be about my lawful business without undue interference from the snooping functionaires of a bloated, incompetent & corrupt State.
It is a measure which symbolises so succintly all that is wrong with this Labour government. I cannot recall a government which treated the populace with such contempt and, indeed, utter malice.
It changes the relationship between the individual and the State to the disadvantage of the individual.
I do not see why the Conservatives are not making more of this. To pledge the abolition of the ID card programme and the repeal of the legislation would be a sure fire vote winner.
Should ID cards be forced upon us all, then I would suggest a mass bonfire of them in Trafalgar Square.

By: mikestallard

mikestallard — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 17:21:06 +0000

Comrade, your tale that you have nothing to hide is very far from the truth.
We have pictures of you smoking outside Woolworths this morning where, we understand, you bought some weed killer. I wonder what we would find on your mobile phone? We already have records of you speeding through a 20 mph zone at 34 mph. You say that recently you have visited Dewsbury where, we know, there are terrorists. Your tale that it was on business is plainly a lie. You sound to us like a thoroughly unpleasant sort of terrorist. It would be an awful shame, comrade, if that skunk were found in your pocket after we have strip searched you…….

By: Stuart Fairney

Stuart Fairney — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:21:28 +0000

Ditto for me. My dad risked his life fighting fascist domination from Europe in WW2. I could never meekly surrender to it, to do so would be a betrayal of all the heroes of 1939-45 who faced far worse than Jackie Smith looking stern. Let them do their damndest. I shall not carry one. Let them take my money, let them imprison me, (whoops, the prisons are full) I still won’t carry one.

By: Keith

Keith — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 10:29:25 +0000

I don’t want one and will refuse one.
The government wants me to have one and then compounds the felony by expecting me to pay for it.

To quote….’On yer bike’

By: mikestallard

mikestallard — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:39:10 +0000

I always hate it when people recommend other sites to look at, so I won’t do it. But, having Googled in the words EU+ID cards, I found out that although there really has been a discussion about it in the EU, nevertheless, it seems to have been agreed by most governments – biometrics, cards, finger printing and so on – and that the idea has been certainly discussed a lot over the past four years or even more.
It is so easy to blame the EU for everything.
But in this case, we are correct to do so.
I am going to have to be a bit of a rebel like Johnny Norfolk above.

By: Bazman

Bazman — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:33:32 +0000

As a Daily Mail reader for many years. I very much welcome this scheme. During WW II everyone had one. If you have nothing to hide. etc etc.
Have fluorescent light bulbs really improved that much since people where saying they would never use them and house price inflation was great for everyone?
What’s changed? Is everyone mad? Or am I just getting old and more conservative. Dear Daily Mail….

By: DBC Reed

DBC Reed — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 18:38:46 +0000

I live in one of the 10% most deprived areas in the UK.(This designation is rather difficult for me to believe,having lived in early 60’s Moss Side .) However,if the collection of data on different government computers could be integrated to provide an indication of which types of people need help locally, (it certainly is n’t everybody) and if the process of introducing ID cards makes this collection easier,I would be more favorable to them .(After all, one of the problems helpers in disaster areas report is the lack of a bureaucracy to furnish information about how many people live in the areas affected; how old most of them are; how many kids etc.)
In that sense bureaucracy can be liberating.( When the local [private] water company realised it was poisoning everybody,bureaucracy saw to it that vulnerable groups were identified for supplies of bottled water).
I will be more convinced of the security of ID cards when they are accepted as identification when you are voting.The present British, and therefore truly wonderful system, is that your ballot slip is issued and your identication copied onto a counterfoil so each slip can be matched with its counterfoil later. If the Polling staff could, in future, identify people from just looking at the ID card and not sticking it into a machine, my residual Leftie suspicions of the ruling-class and its conduct of elections might be assuaged.

By: Tony Makara

Tony Makara — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:48:31 +0000

Most ridiculous of all is the belief that terrorist or criminal groups wouldn’t have the capacity to create fake ID cards. In fact a good fake card would make breaching security all the easier. Even if an ID system were introduced it could only work most of the time if everyone was expected to carry a card all of the time. Otherwise what is the point? The entire ID card approach is typical of the ill-thought out, quick-fix, politics of the Labour government. The reality is that the only way to guarantee security is through intelligence, that is where money should be spent, ID cards will protect no-one and provide easy entry for groups with the ability to produce counterfeit copies.

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