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		<title>By: USMC</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-33475</link>
		<dc:creator>USMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Romny/Palin.  I have no stomach for a Liberal Socialist.</description>
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		<title>By: USMC</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-33474</link>
		<dc:creator>USMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think the Brownshirts (ACORN) would give them a chance?  These groups are relentless and will drag the banks through the mud if they don&#039;t write these worthless loans.  They will tell the world how bad these banks are, how they won&#039;t help poor foreigners and minorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think the Brownshirts (ACORN) would give them a chance?  These groups are relentless and will drag the banks through the mud if they don&#8217;t write these worthless loans.  They will tell the world how bad these banks are, how they won&#8217;t help poor foreigners and minorities.</p>
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		<title>By: USMC</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-33473</link>
		<dc:creator>USMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reality is that the liberals(Democrats) wanted to buy the poor folks vote.  They decided that everyone should live &quot;The American Dream&quot; own a home.  They made up a group called ACORN to help the poor get housing (words left out) to quiet the Conservative(Republican) opposition.  The Liberals put their cronies in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to administer these (dubious-ed) loans, to as you have said, &quot;People that couldn&#039;t, wouldn&#039;t and demand that it is their god given right to have a house that is paid for by the rich hard working, anti-socialist people such as us, that have jobs and pay our bills!&quot;  The liberals form the groups like ACORN to quiet the opposition (words left out)I hope you stumble across this reply !
USMC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reality is that the liberals(Democrats) wanted to buy the poor folks vote.  They decided that everyone should live &#8220;The American Dream&#8221; own a home.  They made up a group called ACORN to help the poor get housing (words left out) to quiet the Conservative(Republican) opposition.  The Liberals put their cronies in charge of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to administer these (dubious-ed) loans, to as you have said, &#8220;People that couldn&#8217;t, wouldn&#8217;t and demand that it is their god given right to have a house that is paid for by the rich hard working, anti-socialist people such as us, that have jobs and pay our bills!&#8221;  The liberals form the groups like ACORN to quiet the opposition (words left out)I hope you stumble across this reply !<br />
USMC</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26316</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. Sorry, but in the States they just do. The US housing department was certainly suing banks on racist, sexist and so on grounds if they refused mortgages to ethnic groups. Why, even the words &quot;Master Bedroom&quot; were banned! (Spectator). The lawyers were making a lot of capital out of banks who did not toe the line.
So, yes, creed and colour had a lot to do with the ability to pay - in the USA, in the time of the Clinton administration.
Pseudo-Liberal ideas, under the Clinton government, were the trigger that caused the derivatives and therefore the crash.
And, remember, you do not know me. You do not know my background. You do not know my family. You do not even know what colour I myself am, do you. So, please, do not even think that I am a racist. 
Where the country goes, if it goes under, is where, perhaps Iceland is going. The money will become valueless. This will mean, of course, no oil, no imported food, no savings, no incomes from the government.
Zimbabwe is perhaps the most well reported example of a country which is going under at the moment. See the queues for food!
I do not know if you are old enough to remember Edward Heath and Jim Callahan&#039;s time? The three day week? It was not that funny.
Believe me, I have got a grip!
I just hope I am completely wrong and all the government&#039;s plans for spending their way out of the crisis will come true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. Sorry, but in the States they just do. The US housing department was certainly suing banks on racist, sexist and so on grounds if they refused mortgages to ethnic groups. Why, even the words &#8220;Master Bedroom&#8221; were banned! (Spectator). The lawyers were making a lot of capital out of banks who did not toe the line.<br />
So, yes, creed and colour had a lot to do with the ability to pay &#8211; in the USA, in the time of the Clinton administration.<br />
Pseudo-Liberal ideas, under the Clinton government, were the trigger that caused the derivatives and therefore the crash.<br />
And, remember, you do not know me. You do not know my background. You do not know my family. You do not even know what colour I myself am, do you. So, please, do not even think that I am a racist.<br />
Where the country goes, if it goes under, is where, perhaps Iceland is going. The money will become valueless. This will mean, of course, no oil, no imported food, no savings, no incomes from the government.<br />
Zimbabwe is perhaps the most well reported example of a country which is going under at the moment. See the queues for food!<br />
I do not know if you are old enough to remember Edward Heath and Jim Callahan&#8217;s time? The three day week? It was not that funny.<br />
Believe me, I have got a grip!<br />
I just hope I am completely wrong and all the government&#8217;s plans for spending their way out of the crisis will come true!</p>
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		<title>By: freedom to prosper</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26313</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom to prosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes in fact the dream ticket would be Obama/Palin</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan Pope</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26312</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you love Sarah Palin willy nilly?</description>
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		<title>By: Ivan Pope</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - put your money in Icelandic banks - they are offering a much better rate of return ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; put your money in Icelandic banks &#8211; they are offering a much better rate of return &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Pope</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26309</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clinton administration (Democrat) insisted, through their housing department and using the law courts whenever necessary, on the banks giving mortgages to everyone, regardless of creed or colour or their employment status or even their ability and willingness to repay.&quot;

Do you think that banks should have had heed to creed or colour then? Don&#039;t you think banks should give mortgages to everyone without heed to creed or colour? Do creed or colour have anything to do with ability or willingness to pay? Do they? Eh?

also - if the whole country goes under, where does it go? Come on man, get a grip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clinton administration (Democrat) insisted, through their housing department and using the law courts whenever necessary, on the banks giving mortgages to everyone, regardless of creed or colour or their employment status or even their ability and willingness to repay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you think that banks should have had heed to creed or colour then? Don&#8217;t you think banks should give mortgages to everyone without heed to creed or colour? Do creed or colour have anything to do with ability or willingness to pay? Do they? Eh?</p>
<p>also &#8211; if the whole country goes under, where does it go? Come on man, get a grip!</p>
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		<title>By: freedom to prosper</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26285</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom to prosper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to give real people real money to spend which in turn creates real jobs. I&#039;ve said it a thousand times but I&#039;ll say it again mortgages, for most our biggest spend, 3x ONE income and a 10% deposit AND a history of saving. This will mean affordable housing and spending money.
Re telling the banks to lend willy nilly why? Wasn&#039;t it daft lending that got us where we are now?
PS I love Sarah Palin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to give real people real money to spend which in turn creates real jobs. I&#8217;ve said it a thousand times but I&#8217;ll say it again mortgages, for most our biggest spend, 3x ONE income and a 10% deposit AND a history of saving. This will mean affordable housing and spending money.<br />
Re telling the banks to lend willy nilly why? Wasn&#8217;t it daft lending that got us where we are now?<br />
PS I love Sarah Palin</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Lawson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26257</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real economy does need lower interest rates, but the unreal economy (i.e. the financial sector) wants higher interest rates in order to boost their profits.  So lower interest rates will slow down the recovery of the banking sector.  Never mind. The real economy makes food, while the unreal only makes money. And food will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no food.

Here endeth the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real economy does need lower interest rates, but the unreal economy (i.e. the financial sector) wants higher interest rates in order to boost their profits.  So lower interest rates will slow down the recovery of the banking sector.  Never mind. The real economy makes food, while the unreal only makes money. And food will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no food.</p>
<p>Here endeth the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: John Moss</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26234</link>
		<dc:creator>John Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 06:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, Swap Rates are back about where they were in 03/04. I re-financed £7.0m on a property investment then at 4.73% + margin and the base swap rates are back under 5% all the way from 1 year to 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, Swap Rates are back about where they were in 03/04. I re-financed £7.0m on a property investment then at 4.73% + margin and the base swap rates are back under 5% all the way from 1 year to 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26228</link>
		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>500 Billion? Trident cost about 10 billion? Less? To build. Fantastic! Any chance of helping anyone in normal society outside Wonderland? Maybe we could give some of this to poverty stricken millionaires?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>500 Billion? Trident cost about 10 billion? Less? To build. Fantastic! Any chance of helping anyone in normal society outside Wonderland? Maybe we could give some of this to poverty stricken millionaires?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Duffin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26224</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a nett saver.

If interest rates are cut to 2% when inflation is 5% and likely to go higher, what is the point of saving?

Is it not the case that my money represents at least some of the capital the banks need to operate?

If it is likely to become worthless in a few years (do the sums!), I am likely to withdraw it and consume it.

This might make the current situation look better (emphasis on &quot;look&quot;), but how would it help the underlying problem?

I submit that it would not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a nett saver.</p>
<p>If interest rates are cut to 2% when inflation is 5% and likely to go higher, what is the point of saving?</p>
<p>Is it not the case that my money represents at least some of the capital the banks need to operate?</p>
<p>If it is likely to become worthless in a few years (do the sums!), I am likely to withdraw it and consume it.</p>
<p>This might make the current situation look better (emphasis on &#8220;look&#8221;), but how would it help the underlying problem?</p>
<p>I submit that it would not.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Reynolds</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26220</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Reynolds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As there is going to be fiscal expansion &amp; thus a rise in the PSBR why not cut out the New Labor client state via cuts in QUANGO&#039;s , procurement costs , civil service numbers and benefits to the economically inactive not to mention ending the insane New Deal  ? The savings can fund a business rate holiday for small &amp; medium sized companies and a big one off rebate for basic rate taxpayers . I think such a policy will get money to those who suffer the most from this economic disaster rather than borrowing money to fund wasteful big government and will therefore tackle the recession .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As there is going to be fiscal expansion &amp; thus a rise in the PSBR why not cut out the New Labor client state via cuts in QUANGO&#8217;s , procurement costs , civil service numbers and benefits to the economically inactive not to mention ending the insane New Deal  ? The savings can fund a business rate holiday for small &amp; medium sized companies and a big one off rebate for basic rate taxpayers . I think such a policy will get money to those who suffer the most from this economic disaster rather than borrowing money to fund wasteful big government and will therefore tackle the recession .</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26217</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the discussion which you, John, were in this morning. What came over terribly strongly was that the interviewer was simply not listening to what either of you were saying.
What else came over was the balance; the Labour spokesman spoke for a lot longer than you did (and made half the sense too).
It would have been so nice if the interviewer had actually teased out what you both wanted to say instead of a cheapo &quot;agreement&quot; and a laugh.
What a wasted opportunity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the discussion which you, John, were in this morning. What came over terribly strongly was that the interviewer was simply not listening to what either of you were saying.<br />
What else came over was the balance; the Labour spokesman spoke for a lot longer than you did (and made half the sense too).<br />
It would have been so nice if the interviewer had actually teased out what you both wanted to say instead of a cheapo &#8220;agreement&#8221; and a laugh.<br />
What a wasted opportunity!</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26216</link>
		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know if you ever read the Spectator? 
The problem is this: how did the US banks, previously a pillar of honesty, turn into people who (words left out-ED) passed round worthless bonds based on sub prime mortgages?
In last week&#039;s edition, there was a superb article about how the Clinton administration (Democrat) insisted, through their housing department and using the law courts whenever necessary, on the banks giving mortgages to everyone, regardless of creed or colour or their employment status or even their ability and willingness to repay.
Once these sub prime mortgages were in the system, it was comparatively easy to deal out further debts on the back of the &quot;mortgages&quot; which were already dealt out.

If you have been following this blog, you will see how New Labour has got us into a lot of debt before the crash came and refused, consistently, to make any cuts in public expenditure. It was often warned that we were entering a downturn with nothing in the bank. This, of course, is now obvious.

As usual, Labour politics has left the country bankrupt for years to come. We reckon, on this blog especially, that the total national debt, counting everything, is now around £2,000,000,000,000. We shall be paying this off for generations to come unless the whole country goes under, which seems a real possibility to me anyway.

I do hope that this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if you ever read the Spectator?<br />
The problem is this: how did the US banks, previously a pillar of honesty, turn into people who (words left out-ED) passed round worthless bonds based on sub prime mortgages?<br />
In last week&#8217;s edition, there was a superb article about how the Clinton administration (Democrat) insisted, through their housing department and using the law courts whenever necessary, on the banks giving mortgages to everyone, regardless of creed or colour or their employment status or even their ability and willingness to repay.<br />
Once these sub prime mortgages were in the system, it was comparatively easy to deal out further debts on the back of the &#8220;mortgages&#8221; which were already dealt out.</p>
<p>If you have been following this blog, you will see how New Labour has got us into a lot of debt before the crash came and refused, consistently, to make any cuts in public expenditure. It was often warned that we were entering a downturn with nothing in the bank. This, of course, is now obvious.</p>
<p>As usual, Labour politics has left the country bankrupt for years to come. We reckon, on this blog especially, that the total national debt, counting everything, is now around £2,000,000,000,000. We shall be paying this off for generations to come unless the whole country goes under, which seems a real possibility to me anyway.</p>
<p>I do hope that this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: rugfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rugfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the view that we have engaged in what I call rampant capitalism which has gifted power over our economy to speculators, rich elite and hawks who prey on the vulnerabilities of loosely controlled begging governments. 

Governments are that eager to please investors, they give grants to these people and compete only on the level of taxpayers money they stick in the back pockets of the rich elite. 

Those speculators up sticks and hold our economies to ransom at the threat of pulling out.....thus we have limited democracy and parliamentary powers because speculators went GLOBAL with our economies. 

It needs a change, only to a degree whereby power returns to government in order to exact change to remove competetion between countries so the trade area is even and with as little upset as possible to what we have now. We need LESS bureaucracy to free up business, less control at the front end of finance and MORE deliberate control of the back end where it counts. i.e. A government which can deliver what is needed in terms of the economy, backed up by external agreements of countries acting the same toward socially responsible ends. 

No investor is going to pull out of an enlarged economic area which promotes values which are focused on a social agenda first with the ability of business to trade freely within it but with no advantage to be gained as to location. In fact there should in all sensibility be some method by which government collectively decide the locations of industries to suit the business, the consumer and the labour. 

This isn&#039;t socialism by the way, it is simply governments acting in a cohesive manner to deliver the goods in the right place at the right time for the right people to fulfill the right needs of business and the people, under private industry but with social conscience. 

It&#039;s also called commonsense !! 

Why can this not be ? 

Now then, before anyone says this is what the EU is all about, it isn&#039;t. 

The EU is a bureaucratic mincing machine which can do none of these things, and only an ALLIANCE CAN. 

This alliance of free trading nations should also include Russia, America and any other country on the planet which has our own standards of democracy and social conscience !!!

It doesn&#039;t need changes in our domestic laws whatesoever unless the people desire it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the view that we have engaged in what I call rampant capitalism which has gifted power over our economy to speculators, rich elite and hawks who prey on the vulnerabilities of loosely controlled begging governments. </p>
<p>Governments are that eager to please investors, they give grants to these people and compete only on the level of taxpayers money they stick in the back pockets of the rich elite. </p>
<p>Those speculators up sticks and hold our economies to ransom at the threat of pulling out&#8230;..thus we have limited democracy and parliamentary powers because speculators went GLOBAL with our economies. </p>
<p>It needs a change, only to a degree whereby power returns to government in order to exact change to remove competetion between countries so the trade area is even and with as little upset as possible to what we have now. We need LESS bureaucracy to free up business, less control at the front end of finance and MORE deliberate control of the back end where it counts. i.e. A government which can deliver what is needed in terms of the economy, backed up by external agreements of countries acting the same toward socially responsible ends. </p>
<p>No investor is going to pull out of an enlarged economic area which promotes values which are focused on a social agenda first with the ability of business to trade freely within it but with no advantage to be gained as to location. In fact there should in all sensibility be some method by which government collectively decide the locations of industries to suit the business, the consumer and the labour. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t socialism by the way, it is simply governments acting in a cohesive manner to deliver the goods in the right place at the right time for the right people to fulfill the right needs of business and the people, under private industry but with social conscience. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also called commonsense !! </p>
<p>Why can this not be ? </p>
<p>Now then, before anyone says this is what the EU is all about, it isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>The EU is a bureaucratic mincing machine which can do none of these things, and only an ALLIANCE CAN. </p>
<p>This alliance of free trading nations should also include Russia, America and any other country on the planet which has our own standards of democracy and social conscience !!!</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t need changes in our domestic laws whatesoever unless the people desire it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26202</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just a humble prole but, what i simply cannot understand is this.

The main reason the financial system is in such a mess is because the western world has taken on TOO MUCH debt (UK &amp; US in particular). The Greenspan &#039;put&#039; (Eddie George &#039;put&#039;?) has provided a bailout on numerous occasions by lowering interest rates to blow up yet another bubble. Therefore, it would seem 

a) Interest rates have been set too low, too long

b) Saving has become &#039;old fashioned&#039;. Why would you have wanted to save when interest rates are so low and you can borrow fortunes to invest in property and magnify your gains

Question - How can a problem caused by low interest rates and high borrwoings be solved by low interest rates and high borrowings?

reply: Old problem too much debt
New problem no one will lend so economy tipping into recession.
We need to tackle the new problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just a humble prole but, what i simply cannot understand is this.</p>
<p>The main reason the financial system is in such a mess is because the western world has taken on TOO MUCH debt (UK &amp; US in particular). The Greenspan &#8216;put&#8217; (Eddie George &#8216;put&#8217;?) has provided a bailout on numerous occasions by lowering interest rates to blow up yet another bubble. Therefore, it would seem </p>
<p>a) Interest rates have been set too low, too long</p>
<p>b) Saving has become &#8216;old fashioned&#8217;. Why would you have wanted to save when interest rates are so low and you can borrow fortunes to invest in property and magnify your gains</p>
<p>Question &#8211; How can a problem caused by low interest rates and high borrwoings be solved by low interest rates and high borrowings?</p>
<p>reply: Old problem too much debt<br />
New problem no one will lend so economy tipping into recession.<br />
We need to tackle the new problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Freeborn John</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/10/16/lets-start-fighting-recession/#comment-26201</link>
		<dc:creator>Freeborn John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If interest rates were 2% (before tax) and inflation 5.2% why on Earth should i keep my money in UK banks? What you propose will just lead to further withdrawals of money from banks that have been trying to avoid a run.

reply: Not so. Some interest is better than no interest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If interest rates were 2% (before tax) and inflation 5.2% why on Earth should i keep my money in UK banks? What you propose will just lead to further withdrawals of money from banks that have been trying to avoid a run.</p>
<p>reply: Not so. Some interest is better than no interest</p>
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		<title>By: rugfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rugfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the topic said &quot;Lets start fighting recession&quot;, I didn&#039;t notice a recession when Margaret Thatcher was PM or a problem with bank capital, runs of a bank, near bankruptcy of the banking industry, nationalised banking, or a lack of liquidity, nor did I see it under Ronald Reagan.

However, to the topic.
I agree interest rates should be radically dropped to stem recession and to halt job losses and eventual depression which would take our economy into a spiral so severe it would take even more government intervention to keep our financial markets. along with the revenues they bring.

In case people forget the basics here, we are losing businesses which cater for 40% of our revenue. We know there&#039;s a problem with the economy if 60% of it is held in place by finance which has a problem with itself and is creating an even bigger problem for the remaining 40% of our economy.

Injecting money into the system is surely one way to keep businesses afloat but only if the banks are ready to release it and if businesses can get it, and at a price where it makes a real difference. i.e. It enables them to stay in business, make goods, sell them and not fill the country up with our of work people which ever diminishing taxpayers would have to otherwise pay for.

Undoubtedly the plan for high speed rail would create jobs throughout the country. Same with the building of power stations. Frankly, I don&#039;t care where the money comes from I just care that it&#039;s done as soon as possible using British labour, so that in itself present an obstacle I guess.

Cutting interest rates is not the only solution to the problem of people affording mortgages though either. For many people are trapped in fixed mortgage rates and wouldn&#039;t see a benefit so how would it be to their advantage unless lenders dropped the redemption penalties they applied ?

Secondly, there&#039;s a problem with the Buy to Let sector with double the rate of repossessions occuring which will continue to deflate house values unless first time buyers can be placed into a position where they create demand.

I advocate a return of MIRAS for first time buyers and a switch of stamp duty to the seller so first time buyers can afford homes in order to liquidate the assets of repossessed BTL&#039;s whilst heightening demand and thereby helping to maintain prices. 

Couple this with your plans to get Britain building again with your suggestions, I see it would be a good start to fighting recession and pulling us all out of the hole we&#039;re about to fall into with this government who&#039;s only plan it seems is to print money and throw it against the walls of banks and let the taxpayers take the risk when the banks fail to know what to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the topic said &#8220;Lets start fighting recession&#8221;, I didn&#8217;t notice a recession when Margaret Thatcher was PM or a problem with bank capital, runs of a bank, near bankruptcy of the banking industry, nationalised banking, or a lack of liquidity, nor did I see it under Ronald Reagan.</p>
<p>However, to the topic.<br />
I agree interest rates should be radically dropped to stem recession and to halt job losses and eventual depression which would take our economy into a spiral so severe it would take even more government intervention to keep our financial markets. along with the revenues they bring.</p>
<p>In case people forget the basics here, we are losing businesses which cater for 40% of our revenue. We know there&#8217;s a problem with the economy if 60% of it is held in place by finance which has a problem with itself and is creating an even bigger problem for the remaining 40% of our economy.</p>
<p>Injecting money into the system is surely one way to keep businesses afloat but only if the banks are ready to release it and if businesses can get it, and at a price where it makes a real difference. i.e. It enables them to stay in business, make goods, sell them and not fill the country up with our of work people which ever diminishing taxpayers would have to otherwise pay for.</p>
<p>Undoubtedly the plan for high speed rail would create jobs throughout the country. Same with the building of power stations. Frankly, I don&#8217;t care where the money comes from I just care that it&#8217;s done as soon as possible using British labour, so that in itself present an obstacle I guess.</p>
<p>Cutting interest rates is not the only solution to the problem of people affording mortgages though either. For many people are trapped in fixed mortgage rates and wouldn&#8217;t see a benefit so how would it be to their advantage unless lenders dropped the redemption penalties they applied ?</p>
<p>Secondly, there&#8217;s a problem with the Buy to Let sector with double the rate of repossessions occuring which will continue to deflate house values unless first time buyers can be placed into a position where they create demand.</p>
<p>I advocate a return of MIRAS for first time buyers and a switch of stamp duty to the seller so first time buyers can afford homes in order to liquidate the assets of repossessed BTL&#8217;s whilst heightening demand and thereby helping to maintain prices. </p>
<p>Couple this with your plans to get Britain building again with your suggestions, I see it would be a good start to fighting recession and pulling us all out of the hole we&#8217;re about to fall into with this government who&#8217;s only plan it seems is to print money and throw it against the walls of banks and let the taxpayers take the risk when the banks fail to know what to do with it.</p>
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