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		<title>By: Wealth Creation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wealth Creation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope all is well. I&#039;m out trying to find some other people with some of the same interests I have.

Hope all stays well.

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope all is well. I&#8217;m out trying to find some other people with some of the same interests I have.</p>
<p>Hope all stays well.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bazman,

Witnessing unionists final destruction of Britain&#039;s shipbuilding industry was vastly different from the demise of the motor cycle industry&#039;s demise through, mainly Japanese, competition.  They simply took over British innovation and produced it cheaper.
Perhaps you&#039;re too young to remember the &#039;winter of discontent&#039; resulting from destructive union activity which made that Britain was the &#039;laughing stock of the world&#039; when Margaret Thatcher was elected.   Nulabor&#039;s casino capitalist socialism has bankrupted Britain for generations to come .... taxpayers are used to profit and gain with &#039;closed shop&#039; PFI&#039;s etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bazman,</p>
<p>Witnessing unionists final destruction of Britain&#8217;s shipbuilding industry was vastly different from the demise of the motor cycle industry&#8217;s demise through, mainly Japanese, competition.  They simply took over British innovation and produced it cheaper.<br />
Perhaps you&#8217;re too young to remember the &#8216;winter of discontent&#8217; resulting from destructive union activity which made that Britain was the &#8216;laughing stock of the world&#8217; when Margaret Thatcher was elected.   Nulabor&#8217;s casino capitalist socialism has bankrupted Britain for generations to come &#8230;. taxpayers are used to profit and gain with &#8216;closed shop&#8217; PFI&#8217;s etc.</p>
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		<title>By: The G20 needs to find some horses before they improve the bolts on &#8230; &#124; RSS Financial</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching a bbc4 programme on FDRs New Deal last night. 
It said cotton prices had fallen 70% and cotton workers were being made unemployed. FDRs solution was to employ those workers to go out and destroy the cotton crop in the hope it would drive up prices.
It is difficult to think of a worse thing to do. I can imagine the howls of laughter if Sarah Palin had suggested it.

FDR is still a hero of the left.

In times of crisis it is all the more important to have a government that actually understands basic economics.
With role models like FDR, Gordon Brown does not. 

We need a conservative government as soon as possible to minimise the damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching a bbc4 programme on FDRs New Deal last night.<br />
It said cotton prices had fallen 70% and cotton workers were being made unemployed. FDRs solution was to employ those workers to go out and destroy the cotton crop in the hope it would drive up prices.<br />
It is difficult to think of a worse thing to do. I can imagine the howls of laughter if Sarah Palin had suggested it.</p>
<p>FDR is still a hero of the left.</p>
<p>In times of crisis it is all the more important to have a government that actually understands basic economics.<br />
With role models like FDR, Gordon Brown does not. </p>
<p>We need a conservative government as soon as possible to minimise the damage.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I address point 4? When I was on the dole in the 1990s, I met with a sort of wall. There were certain useless jobs (double glazing salesman, call centre work etc) and nothing much else. It seemed, frankly, that there was nothing worth getting out of bed for. Eventually, I went back into teaching until retirement beckoned.
It seems to me that England needs a job too. Yes, we can cut back (we aren&#039;t), and no, we cannot go backwards as Bazman says. 
What sort of areas can we look at?
Africa is bursting for some peace and quiet. We are excellent with Africans and we have an excellent track record there too. There is a man&#039;s job to be done in the dark continent. Cecil Rhodes anyone?
We are simply excellent at inventing things. How about a few elitist think-tanks to work on what happens when the oil runs out? (I do not think the Labour government is actually going to be able to work this).
Encouraging actual leisure is another area which is very fruitful. When I was on the dole, I had less time to enjoy life simply because I was too busy desperately looking for work and there wasn&#039;t any.
For us religious people, too, of course, there is lots to do. Any chance of some support from the government there? Erm. Perhaps not.
Instead, I suspect that we will borrow for a lot of very high prestige projects which will achieve nothing much. A huge Olympic Stadium, a lot of money wasted on high speed railways, perhaps. Lots and lots of &quot;facilitators&quot;.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I address point 4? When I was on the dole in the 1990s, I met with a sort of wall. There were certain useless jobs (double glazing salesman, call centre work etc) and nothing much else. It seemed, frankly, that there was nothing worth getting out of bed for. Eventually, I went back into teaching until retirement beckoned.<br />
It seems to me that England needs a job too. Yes, we can cut back (we aren&#8217;t), and no, we cannot go backwards as Bazman says.<br />
What sort of areas can we look at?<br />
Africa is bursting for some peace and quiet. We are excellent with Africans and we have an excellent track record there too. There is a man&#8217;s job to be done in the dark continent. Cecil Rhodes anyone?<br />
We are simply excellent at inventing things. How about a few elitist think-tanks to work on what happens when the oil runs out? (I do not think the Labour government is actually going to be able to work this).<br />
Encouraging actual leisure is another area which is very fruitful. When I was on the dole, I had less time to enjoy life simply because I was too busy desperately looking for work and there wasn&#8217;t any.<br />
For us religious people, too, of course, there is lots to do. Any chance of some support from the government there? Erm. Perhaps not.<br />
Instead, I suspect that we will borrow for a lot of very high prestige projects which will achieve nothing much. A huge Olympic Stadium, a lot of money wasted on high speed railways, perhaps. Lots and lots of &#8220;facilitators&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in all this that the miscreant, Brown, is absent. No good putting forward a !&quot;solution&quot; when the destroyer is being &quot;lauded&quot; as a saviour when he is nothing of the kind.

The media are wilfully bending the information.

PLease keep to the interests of the working people of this Country,( those jobsworths within the state = x million, are excluded).

This Tory Party I once supported without thought, is no longer.

Sound Principles well explained will always hold the day.

We have &quot;sheep&quot; as voters. Sad.

Any politician who moves to secure their own future through greed, and not to serve us, will pay a price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in all this that the miscreant, Brown, is absent. No good putting forward a !&#8221;solution&#8221; when the destroyer is being &#8220;lauded&#8221; as a saviour when he is nothing of the kind.</p>
<p>The media are wilfully bending the information.</p>
<p>PLease keep to the interests of the working people of this Country,( those jobsworths within the state = x million, are excluded).</p>
<p>This Tory Party I once supported without thought, is no longer.</p>
<p>Sound Principles well explained will always hold the day.</p>
<p>We have &#8220;sheep&#8221; as voters. Sad.</p>
<p>Any politician who moves to secure their own future through greed, and not to serve us, will pay a price.</p>
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		<title>By: The G20 needs to find some horses before they improve the bolts on the stable &#124; forexintraday.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 15:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea that the unions causes the demise of the shipbuilding industry is your fantasy. Where they responsible for the death of the British motorcycle industry too?
Subsidies and investment support in Europe, America, Korea and Japan have left UK yards at a competitive disadvantage. 
Who builds these great cruise liners that fly British flags and are talked up to be the best of British? Not us, and the facilities and skills are not now available, not even enough people available for military contracts. That will be the unions fault too I suppose? Anything to say about the banks holding us to ransom jean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea that the unions causes the demise of the shipbuilding industry is your fantasy. Where they responsible for the death of the British motorcycle industry too?<br />
Subsidies and investment support in Europe, America, Korea and Japan have left UK yards at a competitive disadvantage.<br />
Who builds these great cruise liners that fly British flags and are talked up to be the best of British? Not us, and the facilities and skills are not now available, not even enough people available for military contracts. That will be the unions fault too I suppose? Anything to say about the banks holding us to ransom jean?</p>
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		<title>By: oldtimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add as #6 tax incentives. 

These need to be structured to encourage savings for investment. For savers the credit crunch is, in fact, an asset crunch as penson funds, investments in shares and interest earned on cash deposits have taken an almighty hit over the past year.

There has been enormous wealth destruction; there needs to be wealth creation now. The dead hand of government intervention will not do it. It needs a willingness for people to take risks again in an extremely hosltile environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add as #6 tax incentives. </p>
<p>These need to be structured to encourage savings for investment. For savers the credit crunch is, in fact, an asset crunch as penson funds, investments in shares and interest earned on cash deposits have taken an almighty hit over the past year.</p>
<p>There has been enormous wealth destruction; there needs to be wealth creation now. The dead hand of government intervention will not do it. It needs a willingness for people to take risks again in an extremely hosltile environment.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 12:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bazman,

The last Labour government was held to ransom by unions who drove the final nail in the coffin of shipbuilding.  The state of Britain inherited by Margaret Thatcher following the winter of discontent is not forgotten.    Since her departure, Nulabor has morally and financially bankrupted Britain - blaming others in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bazman,</p>
<p>The last Labour government was held to ransom by unions who drove the final nail in the coffin of shipbuilding.  The state of Britain inherited by Margaret Thatcher following the winter of discontent is not forgotten.    Since her departure, Nulabor has morally and financially bankrupted Britain &#8211; blaming others in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday, we had Red Dave of Blue Labour telling the government that they should, &#039;order&#039; the nationalised banks too lower interest rates. Today we have, &#039;Pinky&#039; Duncan, (author of libertarian tract Saturn&#039;s Children) telling the government that the Post Office, must be saved regardless of cost: what next Clause Four? 


Are you in the, &#039;Right&#039; Party John? Looks like a &#039;Left&#039; Party from here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday, we had Red Dave of Blue Labour telling the government that they should, &#8216;order&#8217; the nationalised banks too lower interest rates. Today we have, &#8216;Pinky&#8217; Duncan, (author of libertarian tract Saturn&#8217;s Children) telling the government that the Post Office, must be saved regardless of cost: what next Clause Four? </p>
<p>Are you in the, &#8216;Right&#8217; Party John? Looks like a &#8216;Left&#8217; Party from here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this and previous governments had been more supportive of engineering, manufacturing, shipbuilding and other less glamorous areas of the economy we would be in a much better position to weather any recessions. As a lot of people, myself included suspected much of this service and financial economy was built on sand and kept this in mind. Do any more bright sparks still think tax cuts for the rich are the way forward?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this and previous governments had been more supportive of engineering, manufacturing, shipbuilding and other less glamorous areas of the economy we would be in a much better position to weather any recessions. As a lot of people, myself included suspected much of this service and financial economy was built on sand and kept this in mind. Do any more bright sparks still think tax cuts for the rich are the way forward?</p>
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		<title>By: DiscoveredJoys</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiscoveredJoys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bow to your superior insight John, and agree with the points you make.

I do think that there are two other longer term transformations required though. They won&#039;t directly affect the current situation, but they might ameliorate future booms and busts. They are:

a) Gradually decrease the lifestyle expectations of the developed countries. Has to be gradual for fear of upsetting world trade, but the principle of economic growth &#039;forever&#039; just cannot be true. Far better to reduce expectations now, rather than get into depopulation and wars over exhausted resources. The financial systems might be more robust if &#039;growth&#039; is no longer the be all and end all of &#039;sucess&#039;.

b) Remove expectations of &#039;no risk&#039; living. This is in two parts, reduction of trivial and expensive rules about consumer and worker safety - yes, keep rules about food adulteration and wearing hard hats and safety boots, but remove rules about the shape and appearance of fruit and vegetables and running endless risk assessments about using correction fluid. The second part is reducing government rules about employment - do we really need the number of child protection enquiries, do we need endless paperwork to be a child minder, do we have to erect huge paperwork barriers around starting a new business? I fear there are far too many professional &#039;busybodies&#039; making life difficult in the pursuit of &#039;no risk&#039; living.

Taken together both of these ideas would encourage the mindset of getting the best out of what we have, rather than rewarding unthinking consumerism. We&#039;ll know that the world&#039;s economy is on a sounder footing when sensless excess is frowned upon and not treated as a mark of success and celebrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bow to your superior insight John, and agree with the points you make.</p>
<p>I do think that there are two other longer term transformations required though. They won&#8217;t directly affect the current situation, but they might ameliorate future booms and busts. They are:</p>
<p>a) Gradually decrease the lifestyle expectations of the developed countries. Has to be gradual for fear of upsetting world trade, but the principle of economic growth &#8216;forever&#8217; just cannot be true. Far better to reduce expectations now, rather than get into depopulation and wars over exhausted resources. The financial systems might be more robust if &#8216;growth&#8217; is no longer the be all and end all of &#8217;sucess&#8217;.</p>
<p>b) Remove expectations of &#8216;no risk&#8217; living. This is in two parts, reduction of trivial and expensive rules about consumer and worker safety &#8211; yes, keep rules about food adulteration and wearing hard hats and safety boots, but remove rules about the shape and appearance of fruit and vegetables and running endless risk assessments about using correction fluid. The second part is reducing government rules about employment &#8211; do we really need the number of child protection enquiries, do we need endless paperwork to be a child minder, do we have to erect huge paperwork barriers around starting a new business? I fear there are far too many professional &#8216;busybodies&#8217; making life difficult in the pursuit of &#8216;no risk&#8217; living.</p>
<p>Taken together both of these ideas would encourage the mindset of getting the best out of what we have, rather than rewarding unthinking consumerism. We&#8217;ll know that the world&#8217;s economy is on a sounder footing when sensless excess is frowned upon and not treated as a mark of success and celebrity.</p>
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