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		<title>By: Has technology rendered the need for government obsolete?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Has technology rendered the need for government obsolete?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] theory in at least four subjects at the same time - Chemistry, Biology, Physics and Geography.    How much science do they teach in schools? &#124; John Redwood MP   How much macro-economic theory were you taught at school? I was taught absolutely zero!     [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] theory in at least four subjects at the same time &#8211; Chemistry, Biology, Physics and Geography.    How much science do they teach in schools? | John Redwood MP   How much macro-economic theory were you taught at school? I was taught absolutely zero!     [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure he would get an English GCSE however, because it is of course Spartacus not Sparticus.  Then again with grade inflation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure he would get an English GCSE however, because it is of course Spartacus not Sparticus.  Then again with grade inflation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Donitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, although I say it myself it was amazing for, I am Sparticus, I mean that friend.

I read a book called German in 3 months supplied with tape. I spoke to the locals when I had the chance.

I did not take any languages at O level back in 86.

There is no escapping the fact that the GCSE was a doddle!!!

I also think that the year I took it, Summer 1998, there was still no such thing as an A* at GCSE as rampant grade inflation was still not in full force.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, although I say it myself it was amazing for, I am Sparticus, I mean that friend.</p>
<p>I read a book called German in 3 months supplied with tape. I spoke to the locals when I had the chance.</p>
<p>I did not take any languages at O level back in 86.</p>
<p>There is no escapping the fact that the GCSE was a doddle!!!</p>
<p>I also think that the year I took it, Summer 1998, there was still no such thing as an A* at GCSE as rampant grade inflation was still not in full force.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A further thought:

Scientific thought was the fruit of the Enlightenment of the 18th century and that is a one off: you cannot demystify religious superstition twice!
Today, thanks to Einstein, science itself seems to becoming a lot more mystical and indeed so do a lot of people too. Bending light, black holes, string theory, several new dimensions! Whatever next! Socially, hippies led to New Age and now we have materialism as our creed. Religion (go to any Church/Mosque and look in UK at the moment) seems to be on its last legs.
Could that be why science has died out too? It has had its day. James Watt, George Stephenson, self improving amateurs would not, I think, have survived the Comprehensive system. In the Private sector,, of course, they would have been either Media People, Celebs or Lawyers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further thought:</p>
<p>Scientific thought was the fruit of the Enlightenment of the 18th century and that is a one off: you cannot demystify religious superstition twice!<br />
Today, thanks to Einstein, science itself seems to becoming a lot more mystical and indeed so do a lot of people too. Bending light, black holes, string theory, several new dimensions! Whatever next! Socially, hippies led to New Age and now we have materialism as our creed. Religion (go to any Church/Mosque and look in UK at the moment) seems to be on its last legs.<br />
Could that be why science has died out too? It has had its day. James Watt, George Stephenson, self improving amateurs would not, I think, have survived the Comprehensive system. In the Private sector,, of course, they would have been either Media People, Celebs or Lawyers!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have :) You are entirely correct though, in many comps, let alone failing ones, it would be a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have <img src='http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  You are entirely correct though, in many comps, let alone failing ones, it would be a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Martin-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is well known that the biggest growth in science education in the USA took place during and soon after Project Apollo; as a result of which most US wealth not built on a debt bubble has been generated by science based industry. 

Japan, China and India recognise the importance of science in the 21st century and are now engaged in a new version of the Apollo space race- with permanent exploration, development and, in time, settlement , of the New Frontier. 

We have neglected these developments in favour of funny money and trashy celebrity. Until we value science, exploration  and build a meaningful human space programme of our own, we will decline further, and, according to the principles of Darwin, will deserve to do so!

Historians will not wonder how we could afford it, but rather how on Earth we ever thought we could afford NOT to .

Humankind will , in coming generations, create a cosmic Diaspora or become extinct. Our grandchildren and their descendants deserve a future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is well known that the biggest growth in science education in the USA took place during and soon after Project Apollo; as a result of which most US wealth not built on a debt bubble has been generated by science based industry. </p>
<p>Japan, China and India recognise the importance of science in the 21st century and are now engaged in a new version of the Apollo space race- with permanent exploration, development and, in time, settlement , of the New Frontier. </p>
<p>We have neglected these developments in favour of funny money and trashy celebrity. Until we value science, exploration  and build a meaningful human space programme of our own, we will decline further, and, according to the principles of Darwin, will deserve to do so!</p>
<p>Historians will not wonder how we could afford it, but rather how on Earth we ever thought we could afford NOT to .</p>
<p>Humankind will , in coming generations, create a cosmic Diaspora or become extinct. Our grandchildren and their descendants deserve a future.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reading the bbc report, one of the facts is that 94% of students earned a C grade up from 91%.

I think i have found the source of the manipulation.

Surely the purpose of grades is to provide a comparison with other students.

At most only 50% should recieve C or above, ideally more like 30% in my opinion.

There is no purpose to grading if the boundries are not distributed properly. 

Technically then it is correct to say exam results are improving, which people equate with improving standards, but under New Labour making that small leap would be foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading the bbc report, one of the facts is that 94% of students earned a C grade up from 91%.</p>
<p>I think i have found the source of the manipulation.</p>
<p>Surely the purpose of grades is to provide a comparison with other students.</p>
<p>At most only 50% should recieve C or above, ideally more like 30% in my opinion.</p>
<p>There is no purpose to grading if the boundries are not distributed properly. </p>
<p>Technically then it is correct to say exam results are improving, which people equate with improving standards, but under New Labour making that small leap would be foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/11/27/how-much-science-do-they-teach-in-schools/#comment-28318</link>
		<dc:creator>HJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a-tracy,

In most state schools now, you can only take the single or double science awards - you can&#039;t do the three sciences separately.

This was only of the principal reasons why I didn&#039;t send my daughter to one of the comprehensives in John Redwood&#039;s constituency and instead pay for her to go to an independent school (something I really can&#039;t afford). It&#039;s a disgrace that they take my taxes and can&#039;t provide a decent scientific education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a-tracy,</p>
<p>In most state schools now, you can only take the single or double science awards &#8211; you can&#8217;t do the three sciences separately.</p>
<p>This was only of the principal reasons why I didn&#8217;t send my daughter to one of the comprehensives in John Redwood&#8217;s constituency and instead pay for her to go to an independent school (something I really can&#8217;t afford). It&#8217;s a disgrace that they take my taxes and can&#8217;t provide a decent scientific education.</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can get quite a long way thinking the Sun goes round the Earth,whilst still practising logical scientific deduction.Take Sherlock Holmes for instance as complained about bitterly by Watson in &quot;A Study in Scarlet&quot;.
&quot; His ignorance was as remarkable as his knowledge...My surprise reached a climax,however when I found incidentally that he was ignorant of the Copernican Theory and of the composition of the Solar System.That any civilised human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can get quite a long way thinking the Sun goes round the Earth,whilst still practising logical scientific deduction.Take Sherlock Holmes for instance as complained about bitterly by Watson in &#8220;A Study in Scarlet&#8221;.<br />
&#8221; His ignorance was as remarkable as his knowledge&#8230;My surprise reached a climax,however when I found incidentally that he was ignorant of the Copernican Theory and of the composition of the Solar System.That any civilised human being in this nineteenth century should not be aware that the earth travelled round the sun appeared to me such an extraordinary fact that I could hardly realize it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: a-tracy</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/11/27/how-much-science-do-they-teach-in-schools/#comment-28249</link>
		<dc:creator>a-tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that children should be able to study a GCSE in Physics, or Chemistry or Biology or two of them or indeed all three separately if talented in science, however, this isn&#039;t right for all children and I don&#039;t agree that they should all have to study all three sciences separately for GCSE when they only have nine subjects and 25 hours at school per week.  

Some may only want to take Biology at GCSE and use their extra lesson for other subjects that suit their plans for the future.  Some could choose Physics and Chemistry and drop Biology, it is a shame this can&#039;t be accommodated and they have to take the double award.

HJ my son was very disappointed that the Physics A level didn&#039;t involve more maths too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that children should be able to study a GCSE in Physics, or Chemistry or Biology or two of them or indeed all three separately if talented in science, however, this isn&#8217;t right for all children and I don&#8217;t agree that they should all have to study all three sciences separately for GCSE when they only have nine subjects and 25 hours at school per week.  </p>
<p>Some may only want to take Biology at GCSE and use their extra lesson for other subjects that suit their plans for the future.  Some could choose Physics and Chemistry and drop Biology, it is a shame this can&#8217;t be accommodated and they have to take the double award.</p>
<p>HJ my son was very disappointed that the Physics A level didn&#8217;t involve more maths too.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When visiting a school a couple of years ago, I looked at the current A level physics text books (I took a physics/electronics degree and gained a grade A at A level 30 years ago). What surprised me most was the almost complete lack of mathematical content compared to when I did A level.

When I asked the teacher why this was, she said that it was because physics was considered either desirable or necessary for many degree courses, but that many students didn&#039;t have the mathematical ability - the specific example she gave was medicine. So the syllabus has been changed to suit those students who won&#039;t really be using physics at university, to the detriment of those that will, e.g. scientists and engineers. 

Physics without mathematical content is a nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When visiting a school a couple of years ago, I looked at the current A level physics text books (I took a physics/electronics degree and gained a grade A at A level 30 years ago). What surprised me most was the almost complete lack of mathematical content compared to when I did A level.</p>
<p>When I asked the teacher why this was, she said that it was because physics was considered either desirable or necessary for many degree courses, but that many students didn&#8217;t have the mathematical ability &#8211; the specific example she gave was medicine. So the syllabus has been changed to suit those students who won&#8217;t really be using physics at university, to the detriment of those that will, e.g. scientists and engineers. </p>
<p>Physics without mathematical content is a nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a scientific family; myself with a 1970&#039;s HNC in Medical Lab sciences; husband an engineer; and a son partway through a physics degree. We aren&#039;t wealthy people but we chose the private school route and, judging from the way science has been handled in the state school sector, I&#039;m glad we did. Our son has had his brain positively stretched at his school by efficient teachers, gaining A grades in physics, maths and electronics. The work was not easy;lots of stout homework and projects; but he says that being &quot;stretched&quot; was an advantage when moving onto university, because of the step up in workload and standards. 
So many pathetic excuses are being made for the &quot;new ways&quot; of teaching science. I&#039;m appalled. I know that not every child is a science &quot;natural&quot;, but when we hear that many of them actually think that the Sun goes round the Earth, it makes me weep. This is 2008, not the Middle Ages!

For heavens sake, children who want to do science should be given the best opportunities to study them separately at GCSE level, rather than stuffing them all together. The UK has superb universities just waiting to take in bright young people who have the potential to become great researchers, inventors, developers or whatever you wish. But they won&#039;t get them when the curriculum is watered down to tripe. Universities are already having to teach extra maths to get science students up to scratch, before proceeding.....the UK is killing science; WHY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a scientific family; myself with a 1970&#8217;s HNC in Medical Lab sciences; husband an engineer; and a son partway through a physics degree. We aren&#8217;t wealthy people but we chose the private school route and, judging from the way science has been handled in the state school sector, I&#8217;m glad we did. Our son has had his brain positively stretched at his school by efficient teachers, gaining A grades in physics, maths and electronics. The work was not easy;lots of stout homework and projects; but he says that being &#8220;stretched&#8221; was an advantage when moving onto university, because of the step up in workload and standards.<br />
So many pathetic excuses are being made for the &#8220;new ways&#8221; of teaching science. I&#8217;m appalled. I know that not every child is a science &#8220;natural&#8221;, but when we hear that many of them actually think that the Sun goes round the Earth, it makes me weep. This is 2008, not the Middle Ages!</p>
<p>For heavens sake, children who want to do science should be given the best opportunities to study them separately at GCSE level, rather than stuffing them all together. The UK has superb universities just waiting to take in bright young people who have the potential to become great researchers, inventors, developers or whatever you wish. But they won&#8217;t get them when the curriculum is watered down to tripe. Universities are already having to teach extra maths to get science students up to scratch, before proceeding&#8230;..the UK is killing science; WHY?</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are forgetting that there are elements of market forces and customer choice in this set-up.Students are deserting hard science subjects in droves and the exam boards, being straightforward money-making concerns, are trying to peddle courses that are more fun .Meanwhile certain universities have seen whole  departments teaching science subjects close down for want of students.You can&#039;t beat the market seems to be the message ( when it supports my point of view!)
Maths, a particular bugbear, would, if not protected by State compulsion, shrink to a smaller more reasonable part of the curriculum.I used to help my son when a teenager with his tedious maths homework: real-life practical problems(not) .Like you  have to stick some notices up on a wall ;for some reason they have to be next to each other with no gaps in between so the notices can share drawing-pins in common. Work out a formula for establishing
the exact number of drawing-pins.Then draw a graph (or was that for another favourite where a girl with a beautiful Asian name,a nod to political correctness, throws her trainer up in the air over a thousand times and records how often it lands sole-side up.Various instances of insane behaviour ensue.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are forgetting that there are elements of market forces and customer choice in this set-up.Students are deserting hard science subjects in droves and the exam boards, being straightforward money-making concerns, are trying to peddle courses that are more fun .Meanwhile certain universities have seen whole  departments teaching science subjects close down for want of students.You can&#8217;t beat the market seems to be the message ( when it supports my point of view!)<br />
Maths, a particular bugbear, would, if not protected by State compulsion, shrink to a smaller more reasonable part of the curriculum.I used to help my son when a teenager with his tedious maths homework: real-life practical problems(not) .Like you  have to stick some notices up on a wall ;for some reason they have to be next to each other with no gaps in between so the notices can share drawing-pins in common. Work out a formula for establishing<br />
the exact number of drawing-pins.Then draw a graph (or was that for another favourite where a girl with a beautiful Asian name,a nod to political correctness, throws her trainer up in the air over a thousand times and records how often it lands sole-side up.Various instances of insane behaviour ensue.)</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Social Darwinism: that is one thing that&#039;s not on the modern syllabus .Thank goodness.The dinosaurs did n&#039;t gradually disappear because they were ill-adapted.They were wiped out by a mass extinction.Likewise the beautiful ammonites all died out en masse because they floated near the surface:the disgusting bottom-feeding Nautilus survived.Mass extinctions would rather tend to support revolution more than conservatism if you were to extend the analogies to the social sphere.
What can prevent the failure of cultures? They used to believe in Eugenics,all the best most erudite civilised people,Shaw, H.G Wells...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Darwinism: that is one thing that&#8217;s not on the modern syllabus .Thank goodness.The dinosaurs did n&#8217;t gradually disappear because they were ill-adapted.They were wiped out by a mass extinction.Likewise the beautiful ammonites all died out en masse because they floated near the surface:the disgusting bottom-feeding Nautilus survived.Mass extinctions would rather tend to support revolution more than conservatism if you were to extend the analogies to the social sphere.<br />
What can prevent the failure of cultures? They used to believe in Eugenics,all the best most erudite civilised people,Shaw, H.G Wells&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tim t</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, would you support selection at 13 - into a diverse range of schools. eg academic, science and tech, skilled trades, arts/languages, etc.

Reply: Selection by streaming, setting and special schools is all part of a healthy educational system. I believe in allowing choice and experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, would you support selection at 13 &#8211; into a diverse range of schools. eg academic, science and tech, skilled trades, arts/languages, etc.</p>
<p>Reply: Selection by streaming, setting and special schools is all part of a healthy educational system. I believe in allowing choice and experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son is looking at wether to do combined or triple science for his GCSEs, so I browsed the textbooks and discussed with his teacher (PHD from Cambridge, teacher in Comprehensive, so hardly dumbed down teacher!). 

The extra bits to make it into Biology, Chemistry and Physics, were just more of the same, further modules. Nothing there to stretch a childs mind, no more experiments, field trips or dissections. Incredibly it might even count against him for application to medical school as they often look at grade average, so 2 A&#039;s at double science would count for more than 2 B&#039;s and a A at triple science.

I agree that a lot of social studies has made it into &quot;science&quot; courses, indeed as a Lecturer at Medical School I was surprised at how much is happening in the medical course. 

Debate without real understanding of the subject might as well be a discussion in the pub. Much of the discussion of global warming by both sides is just this. If the conclusion is decided in advance and only supporting evidence is considered, then it is not science it is rhetoric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is looking at wether to do combined or triple science for his GCSEs, so I browsed the textbooks and discussed with his teacher (PHD from Cambridge, teacher in Comprehensive, so hardly dumbed down teacher!). </p>
<p>The extra bits to make it into Biology, Chemistry and Physics, were just more of the same, further modules. Nothing there to stretch a childs mind, no more experiments, field trips or dissections. Incredibly it might even count against him for application to medical school as they often look at grade average, so 2 A&#8217;s at double science would count for more than 2 B&#8217;s and a A at triple science.</p>
<p>I agree that a lot of social studies has made it into &#8220;science&#8221; courses, indeed as a Lecturer at Medical School I was surprised at how much is happening in the medical course. </p>
<p>Debate without real understanding of the subject might as well be a discussion in the pub. Much of the discussion of global warming by both sides is just this. If the conclusion is decided in advance and only supporting evidence is considered, then it is not science it is rhetoric.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie, It was like that in higher tier maths, but no others. (?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie, It was like that in higher tier maths, but no others. (?)</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I remember when I was in school our physics teacher showed us what happens when you fill a can, with a small hole in the top, with hydrogen &amp; light the escaping jet on the top. I very much doubt if the Health &amp; Safety Executive would let him keep his job now but it certainly retained my interest. 

For those who haven&#039;t seen it at some point the mixture in the can reaches the point where for every 2 hydrogen molecules there is 1 oxygen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I remember when I was in school our physics teacher showed us what happens when you fill a can, with a small hole in the top, with hydrogen &amp; light the escaping jet on the top. I very much doubt if the Health &amp; Safety Executive would let him keep his job now but it certainly retained my interest. </p>
<p>For those who haven&#8217;t seen it at some point the mixture in the can reaches the point where for every 2 hydrogen molecules there is 1 oxygen.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes! Been into a failing Comprehensive recently? Perhaps the one, in the Telegraph this morning where a boy filmed another pretending to spank a female teacher&#039;s bottom during a lesson, or remember the one where the teacher(man) had his trouser pulled down for a &quot;prank&quot; in front of his class?
I was a Governor until we were put into special measures. I watched, helpless, as I watched, through a window two boys fighting during a &quot;science&quot; lesson.
And you want them to handle Sulphuric Acid, scalpels and gas taps?

PS I know a man, who has an excellent track record and who is currently looking round for a job, who would be outstanding in that school. I wrote to the Head, not expecting very much, actually.
And that is exactly what I have so far got - not even a reply. (I copied it to the Deputy Head Fleet for good measure too and delivered it by hand, so I know it arrived).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes! Been into a failing Comprehensive recently? Perhaps the one, in the Telegraph this morning where a boy filmed another pretending to spank a female teacher&#8217;s bottom during a lesson, or remember the one where the teacher(man) had his trouser pulled down for a &#8220;prank&#8221; in front of his class?<br />
I was a Governor until we were put into special measures. I watched, helpless, as I watched, through a window two boys fighting during a &#8220;science&#8221; lesson.<br />
And you want them to handle Sulphuric Acid, scalpels and gas taps?</p>
<p>PS I know a man, who has an excellent track record and who is currently looking round for a job, who would be outstanding in that school. I wrote to the Head, not expecting very much, actually.<br />
And that is exactly what I have so far got &#8211; not even a reply. (I copied it to the Deputy Head Fleet for good measure too and delivered it by hand, so I know it arrived).</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, in theory.
In practice this so often turns into a lot of nosey parkers, after a lot of unnecessary meetings, insisting on coming into your lessons with a clip board which is then presented, with acid comments, to the Head.
What is one of the most pleasant memories of teaching which I have is when you notice that another teacher has already taught, say, the apostrophe or how to spell &quot;necessary&quot; or &quot;Might have/of&quot; so you do not have to.
The first was becoming far too common when I retired/ the second is still a great pleasure now I am just coaching A levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, in theory.<br />
In practice this so often turns into a lot of nosey parkers, after a lot of unnecessary meetings, insisting on coming into your lessons with a clip board which is then presented, with acid comments, to the Head.<br />
What is one of the most pleasant memories of teaching which I have is when you notice that another teacher has already taught, say, the apostrophe or how to spell &#8220;necessary&#8221; or &#8220;Might have/of&#8221; so you do not have to.<br />
The first was becoming far too common when I retired/ the second is still a great pleasure now I am just coaching A levels.</p>
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