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		<title>By: How to Get Six Pack Fast</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/04/one-cheer-for-ms-harman/#comment-36122</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Get Six Pack Fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading   this article, I   feel that I really need more information on the topic. Can you share some more resources  ?

reply: Hansard is the  best source - my source is listening to the Comons debates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading   this article, I   feel that I really need more information on the topic. Can you share some more resources  ?</p>
<p>reply: Hansard is the  best source &#8211; my source is listening to the Comons debates</p>
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		<title>By: DBC Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>DBC Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservative  MP&#039;s are in danger of making  fools of themselves over this business. The Party is already sending out anti-police signals.It must occur to most people that had the police-boot been on the other foot and a Labour Shadow Immigration minister been under investigation there would have been less guff about fine old traditions and absolute fury if the Serjeant at arms had sent Old Bill packing( to get a warrant) allowing any suspect time for a bit of shredding and computer-file deletion.
Similarly the delay until the Police finish their investigation may save  Conservative bacon.Should there be a case to answer, some Tories will look a bit sick for presuming otherwise.Should there be no case,they can have a field day and quite rightly.But the real question should be : who initiated the investigation; was there a complaint?Why do the police spend so much time sniffing round Westminster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative  MP&#8217;s are in danger of making  fools of themselves over this business. The Party is already sending out anti-police signals.It must occur to most people that had the police-boot been on the other foot and a Labour Shadow Immigration minister been under investigation there would have been less guff about fine old traditions and absolute fury if the Serjeant at arms had sent Old Bill packing( to get a warrant) allowing any suspect time for a bit of shredding and computer-file deletion.<br />
Similarly the delay until the Police finish their investigation may save  Conservative bacon.Should there be a case to answer, some Tories will look a bit sick for presuming otherwise.Should there be no case,they can have a field day and quite rightly.But the real question should be : who initiated the investigation; was there a complaint?Why do the police spend so much time sniffing round Westminster.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ecks</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/04/one-cheer-for-ms-harman/#comment-28610</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Ecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Altogether too much niceness--not something you have previously been accused of much. If you and the rest of the Westminster so-called &quot;opposition&quot; don&#039;t get stuck in to ZaNuLab soon and get some rage and outrage working this country is going to be a bankrupt Marxist police state. Pound these bastards for the sake of all of us and our childrens future. Knock them down and then put your boots to them and don&#039;t stop kicking and stomping until they are bloody, ruptured and dead.

&quot;Then wasn&#039;t the time. Now&#039;s the time. Now we&#039;re gonna get &#039;em--every ****ing one of &#039;em.&quot;

Steven Seagal--&quot;Hard to Kill&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Altogether too much niceness&#8211;not something you have previously been accused of much. If you and the rest of the Westminster so-called &#8220;opposition&#8221; don&#8217;t get stuck in to ZaNuLab soon and get some rage and outrage working this country is going to be a bankrupt Marxist police state. Pound these bastards for the sake of all of us and our childrens future. Knock them down and then put your boots to them and don&#8217;t stop kicking and stomping until they are bloody, ruptured and dead.</p>
<p>&#8220;Then wasn&#8217;t the time. Now&#8217;s the time. Now we&#8217;re gonna get &#8216;em&#8211;every ****ing one of &#8216;em.&#8221;</p>
<p>Steven Seagal&#8211;&#8221;Hard to Kill&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Harriet Harman in the way I like Hazel Blears: they both blush for the government.  I think it should have been Miss Smith who was pinned down in questioning on this matter - not by Jeremy Paxman, but by Andrew Mar on Sunday - and wasn&#039;t.  She gave a Clintonesque reply to the question, of whether  she knew about the arrest etc,.in advance, and Mar naturally let it go at that.

Yes, the Leader of the House is in the same ambiguous position vis vis MPs and the executive that the Lord Chancellor used to be vis a vis the law and the government.  No reason the two horses can&#039;t be straddled with skill and integrity, and a pity the Lord Chancellor&#039;s office was reformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Harriet Harman in the way I like Hazel Blears: they both blush for the government.  I think it should have been Miss Smith who was pinned down in questioning on this matter &#8211; not by Jeremy Paxman, but by Andrew Mar on Sunday &#8211; and wasn&#8217;t.  She gave a Clintonesque reply to the question, of whether  she knew about the arrest etc,.in advance, and Mar naturally let it go at that.</p>
<p>Yes, the Leader of the House is in the same ambiguous position vis vis MPs and the executive that the Lord Chancellor used to be vis a vis the law and the government.  No reason the two horses can&#8217;t be straddled with skill and integrity, and a pity the Lord Chancellor&#8217;s office was reformed.</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jean baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss Harman failed to address the extremely serious point that the terrifying police raid was executed ILLEGALLY - storming peoples family homes without the legal consent of an authorized search warrant is tantamount to &#039;Stalinism&#039; - paramilitary incursion.

Smoke, mirrors and media spin/buckpassing does not eradicate the &#039;Mugabe&#039; style mindset which instigated the atrocity.   It serves to confirm Nulabor&#039;s utter contempt for British law and democratic procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss Harman failed to address the extremely serious point that the terrifying police raid was executed ILLEGALLY &#8211; storming peoples family homes without the legal consent of an authorized search warrant is tantamount to &#8216;Stalinism&#8217; &#8211; paramilitary incursion.</p>
<p>Smoke, mirrors and media spin/buckpassing does not eradicate the &#8216;Mugabe&#8217; style mindset which instigated the atrocity.   It serves to confirm Nulabor&#8217;s utter contempt for British law and democratic procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not have mentioned this before but, after yesterday&#039;s charade in our so called parliament; I would just say that now would be a good time to consider separating the &quot;Executive&quot; from the &quot;Legislature&quot;.  Yesterday was an excellent example of what can happen when you have a de-facto, elected dictatorship.  Particularly, when a government has passed its sell-by date, as they all do.

I would love to know what Her Maj was thinking when she read the, so called, Queen&#039;s Speech.  It was her least enthusiastic delivery I can remember.  Did we actually have our third budget statement of the year; a sort of post pre-budget report on mortgage protection?

For those of us who can only sit and watch, the parliamentary process looks a bit of a mess, even if it is a very lucrative mess for those chosen to be chosen by an increasingly dissatisfied taxpayers.  This nation has moved on from the days of the forty shilling freeholders but unfortunately our parliament hasn&#039;t; the franchise just costs a lot more now and is funded by proxies.  There is a lot to be said for putting a time limit on an MP&#039;s tenure; two four year parliaments possibly?  The same for a separately elected Prime Minister and his appointed Cabinet.  The profile of the Commons may then get closer to the profile of the nation.

If things stop working on this computer, I can call up Task Manager and close it down.  If it has a serious mental breakdown, I can hit Restart.  Does Her Maj still have access to the restart button; if so, now would be a good time to press it?  Now that would be a hell of a Queen&#039;s Speech!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not have mentioned this before but, after yesterday&#8217;s charade in our so called parliament; I would just say that now would be a good time to consider separating the &#8220;Executive&#8221; from the &#8220;Legislature&#8221;.  Yesterday was an excellent example of what can happen when you have a de-facto, elected dictatorship.  Particularly, when a government has passed its sell-by date, as they all do.</p>
<p>I would love to know what Her Maj was thinking when she read the, so called, Queen&#8217;s Speech.  It was her least enthusiastic delivery I can remember.  Did we actually have our third budget statement of the year; a sort of post pre-budget report on mortgage protection?</p>
<p>For those of us who can only sit and watch, the parliamentary process looks a bit of a mess, even if it is a very lucrative mess for those chosen to be chosen by an increasingly dissatisfied taxpayers.  This nation has moved on from the days of the forty shilling freeholders but unfortunately our parliament hasn&#8217;t; the franchise just costs a lot more now and is funded by proxies.  There is a lot to be said for putting a time limit on an MP&#8217;s tenure; two four year parliaments possibly?  The same for a separately elected Prime Minister and his appointed Cabinet.  The profile of the Commons may then get closer to the profile of the nation.</p>
<p>If things stop working on this computer, I can call up Task Manager and close it down.  If it has a serious mental breakdown, I can hit Restart.  Does Her Maj still have access to the restart button; if so, now would be a good time to press it?  Now that would be a hell of a Queen&#8217;s Speech!</p>
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		<title>By: Disheartened Voter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disheartened Voter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 11:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching Ms Harman on Newsnight last night, I thought it was one of the few occasions in recent years where a BBC journalist (Jeremy Paxman) has actually done a reasonable job of holding a Labour Minister to account. Her behaviour/demeanor when asked about her confidence in both the Speaker and the Sergent at Arms (Jill Pay) said it all. It was pretty clear that she had no confidence in either!

I sincerely hope that on Monday MPs will not simply let this matter slide until the next election. Neither of the individuals concern appear fit to hold their respective offices and it really is time that individuals were held accountable for their actions. In a sense it is no different to the situation regarding Ms Shoesmith. In all three cases, the individuals have failed to competently exercise the judgment required of their positions and such failure should not be rewarded.

The honorable option for all three is to resign, at least that would demonstrate some courage and that they take responsibility for their own inaction. If they are not prepared to take the honorable route, then in all case they should be removed from office for gross incompetence. It really is time to start raising the standards in the public sector - this is not a party political issue it simply about good management - people do not learn lessons unless there is a real accountability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching Ms Harman on Newsnight last night, I thought it was one of the few occasions in recent years where a BBC journalist (Jeremy Paxman) has actually done a reasonable job of holding a Labour Minister to account. Her behaviour/demeanor when asked about her confidence in both the Speaker and the Sergent at Arms (Jill Pay) said it all. It was pretty clear that she had no confidence in either!</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that on Monday MPs will not simply let this matter slide until the next election. Neither of the individuals concern appear fit to hold their respective offices and it really is time that individuals were held accountable for their actions. In a sense it is no different to the situation regarding Ms Shoesmith. In all three cases, the individuals have failed to competently exercise the judgment required of their positions and such failure should not be rewarded.</p>
<p>The honorable option for all three is to resign, at least that would demonstrate some courage and that they take responsibility for their own inaction. If they are not prepared to take the honorable route, then in all case they should be removed from office for gross incompetence. It really is time to start raising the standards in the public sector &#8211; this is not a party political issue it simply about good management &#8211; people do not learn lessons unless there is a real accountability.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fairney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Fairney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you see Mrs Beckett with the insane mortgage guarantee scheme she announced on C4 news yesterday?

To call it a shambles understates the case.  First she announced that the top eight banks had agreed, only to be told that Nationwide had issued a press release saying the looked forward to seeing the details of the proposals.  There seems to be no budget for the scheme and (from what I could make of it, the &#039;explanation&#039; was confused) banks will have to roll-up interest payments for up to two years and not foreclose on mortgages if you stop paying, with the government, finally underwriting costs if they do repossess. 

I could not imagine a scheme more likely to drive fragile banks into bankruptcy than one which freezes their principal cashflow, and God alone knows what the final bill for this might be.  Mrs Beckett certainly doesn&#039;t.

It&#039;s like we are living in the pages of Atlas Shrugged!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see Mrs Beckett with the insane mortgage guarantee scheme she announced on C4 news yesterday?</p>
<p>To call it a shambles understates the case.  First she announced that the top eight banks had agreed, only to be told that Nationwide had issued a press release saying the looked forward to seeing the details of the proposals.  There seems to be no budget for the scheme and (from what I could make of it, the &#8216;explanation&#8217; was confused) banks will have to roll-up interest payments for up to two years and not foreclose on mortgages if you stop paying, with the government, finally underwriting costs if they do repossess. </p>
<p>I could not imagine a scheme more likely to drive fragile banks into bankruptcy than one which freezes their principal cashflow, and God alone knows what the final bill for this might be.  Mrs Beckett certainly doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like we are living in the pages of Atlas Shrugged!</p>
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		<title>By: Letters From A Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Letters From A Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I feel as much sympathy for her as you do.  She probably didn&#039;t enjoy being put in that position, but the email leak from a couple of days ago did not paint her in a particularly flattering light.

www.lettersfromatory.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I feel as much sympathy for her as you do.  She probably didn&#8217;t enjoy being put in that position, but the email leak from a couple of days ago did not paint her in a particularly flattering light.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lettersfromatory.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lettersfromatory.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: rugfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rugfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After hearing the pathetic twisting weasely words of Jacquie Smith on the Damian Green issue, I was heartened to hear a different tone from harriet Harman who said..........( From The Telegraph ).

Miss Harman said she was &quot;very concerned&quot; at the arrest of the Tory immigration spokesman and the way police had raided his Parliamentary and constituency bases.

There were &quot;very big constitutional principles&quot; that needed to be safeguarded, Miss Harman said, including the rights of MPs to get on with their job without interference from the law.

And she said Speaker Michael Martin should look at how police are able to enter the Palace of Westminster..........

I then felt like a deflated balloon when the end of her sentences said..........&quot;once the investigation into Home Office leaks is concluded&quot;.

She WAS scoring point until she put her foot back in it !!

On the issue of speaking up for the house, I don&#039;t think her position as cabinet minister is in any way commensurate with her ability to be unbiased and favourable to all parties and Gordon Brown would do well to appoint another in her place or otherwise give her this a full time role. 

Personally, I&#039;d favour someone else in the position which doesn&#039;t carry any Brown luggage with her/him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After hearing the pathetic twisting weasely words of Jacquie Smith on the Damian Green issue, I was heartened to hear a different tone from harriet Harman who said&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.( From The Telegraph ).</p>
<p>Miss Harman said she was &#8220;very concerned&#8221; at the arrest of the Tory immigration spokesman and the way police had raided his Parliamentary and constituency bases.</p>
<p>There were &#8220;very big constitutional principles&#8221; that needed to be safeguarded, Miss Harman said, including the rights of MPs to get on with their job without interference from the law.</p>
<p>And she said Speaker Michael Martin should look at how police are able to enter the Palace of Westminster&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I then felt like a deflated balloon when the end of her sentences said&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;once the investigation into Home Office leaks is concluded&#8221;.</p>
<p>She WAS scoring point until she put her foot back in it !!</p>
<p>On the issue of speaking up for the house, I don&#8217;t think her position as cabinet minister is in any way commensurate with her ability to be unbiased and favourable to all parties and Gordon Brown would do well to appoint another in her place or otherwise give her this a full time role. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d favour someone else in the position which doesn&#8217;t carry any Brown luggage with her/him.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tomkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Tomkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be to your credit that you are so generous to those who oppose you politically and to the Speaker despite their obvious shortcomings. However, you fail to recognise that Labour MPs, particularly those in the cabinet, are ruthlessly determined to do down you and your party. The idea of not kicking someone when they are down is anathema to them. On Today this morning Margaret Beckett specifically misquoted you, which is happening with increasing regularity during media interviews. Perhaps you need to re-think your approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be to your credit that you are so generous to those who oppose you politically and to the Speaker despite their obvious shortcomings. However, you fail to recognise that Labour MPs, particularly those in the cabinet, are ruthlessly determined to do down you and your party. The idea of not kicking someone when they are down is anathema to them. On Today this morning Margaret Beckett specifically misquoted you, which is happening with increasing regularity during media interviews. Perhaps you need to re-think your approach.</p>
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