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		<title>By: SB</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/20/the-elastic-balance-sheet-of-the-bank-of-england/#comment-31442</link>
		<dc:creator>SB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sound&#039;s like Oceania on the other side of the pond there eh?
I tried to cash in a 100 oz silver certificate at TD Canada Trust, and they wouldn&#039;t honour it.
They told me that they didn&#039;t actually have 100 oz of silver, and that there wasn&#039;t any available on the market - but I could get some once the bars became available. That was 4 months ago. Silver just spiked, so I cashed out. 
Banks are a bunch of (UNRELIABLE PEOPLE -ED)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound&#8217;s like Oceania on the other side of the pond there eh?<br />
I tried to cash in a 100 oz silver certificate at TD Canada Trust, and they wouldn&#8217;t honour it.<br />
They told me that they didn&#8217;t actually have 100 oz of silver, and that there wasn&#8217;t any available on the market &#8211; but I could get some once the bars became available. That was 4 months ago. Silver just spiked, so I cashed out.<br />
Banks are a bunch of (UNRELIABLE PEOPLE -ED)</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian Peirson: &quot; .. Gold and Silver certificates than the amount of Gold and Silver they hold in storage. IE they are overselling Gold and Silver Certificates.&quot;

The question is, do they intend to honor the certificate?  Pound notes used a long time ago to be a gold or silver certificate. That became too expensive, now all you are offered when you go to the bank, is another piece of coloured paper.

Adrian Peirson: &quot;Ron Paul calling for the Fed to be abolished.&quot;

The Federal Reserve was probably established in breach of the US constitution.

Since what is left of the UK constitution, shamefully subordinated as it is the the European Union, does not I think say anything about the Bank of England I guess the government can do pretty well what it chooses to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian Peirson: &#8221; .. Gold and Silver certificates than the amount of Gold and Silver they hold in storage. IE they are overselling Gold and Silver Certificates.&#8221;</p>
<p>The question is, do they intend to honor the certificate?  Pound notes used a long time ago to be a gold or silver certificate. That became too expensive, now all you are offered when you go to the bank, is another piece of coloured paper.</p>
<p>Adrian Peirson: &#8220;Ron Paul calling for the Fed to be abolished.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Federal Reserve was probably established in breach of the US constitution.</p>
<p>Since what is left of the UK constitution, shamefully subordinated as it is the the European Union, does not I think say anything about the Bank of England I guess the government can do pretty well what it chooses to do.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/20/the-elastic-balance-sheet-of-the-bank-of-england/#comment-29419</link>
		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikestallard: &quot;Trouble, just at the moment, seems to be for other people.&quot;

Good luck Sir, long may your fortuitous situation continue.

But one other thing you say is I think important, you are able to live off your modest income, if you are careful.

That, I think is an art a lot of people will need to learn. And why taxes, not least the council tax will become ever more despised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikestallard: &#8220;Trouble, just at the moment, seems to be for other people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good luck Sir, long may your fortuitous situation continue.</p>
<p>But one other thing you say is I think important, you are able to live off your modest income, if you are careful.</p>
<p>That, I think is an art a lot of people will need to learn. And why taxes, not least the council tax will become ever more despised.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/20/the-elastic-balance-sheet-of-the-bank-of-england/#comment-29398</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 01:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People out there are buying into Gold and Silver, what they don&#039;t realise is that the Banksters have for many years been selling more Gold and Silver certificates than the amount of Gold and Silver they hold in storage.
IE they are overselling Gold and Silver Certificates.

Is this not fraud, and if it is, why is Fractional reserve banking not fraud too.

Maybe it isn&#039;t fraud, maybe I should fire up my printer and start selling dozens, or hundreds of Gold certificates against this Gold ring I&#039;m wearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People out there are buying into Gold and Silver, what they don&#8217;t realise is that the Banksters have for many years been selling more Gold and Silver certificates than the amount of Gold and Silver they hold in storage.<br />
IE they are overselling Gold and Silver Certificates.</p>
<p>Is this not fraud, and if it is, why is Fractional reserve banking not fraud too.</p>
<p>Maybe it isn&#8217;t fraud, maybe I should fire up my printer and start selling dozens, or hundreds of Gold certificates against this Gold ring I&#8217;m wearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/20/the-elastic-balance-sheet-of-the-bank-of-england/#comment-29395</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abolish the Private Bank of England and set up a Peoples bank which works for Society not the other way round.

Ron Paul calling for the Fed to be abolished.
http://www.rense.com/general83/paulab.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abolish the Private Bank of England and set up a Peoples bank which works for Society not the other way round.</p>
<p>Ron Paul calling for the Fed to be abolished.<br />
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general83/paulab.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rense.com/general83/paulab.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BoE secret lending scheme is actively delaying the regular operation of interbank lending. 

Why borrow off some dodgy high street bank when you can borrow off The Bank?* Vastly increasing the size of the SLS further delayed the necessary shakedown in interbank lending.

It&#039;s a simple enough point few seem to be making.


* Why borrow at all? Especially if you&#039;re adequately capitalised going forward (as, er, HBOS, BnB, Northern Rock, Lloyds TSV and RBS were reckoned to be...).

Can someone provide a bit of historical context or point me in the direction of some? Eg the size of interbank lending (as opposed to LIBOR rates which seem to be a pre-occupation of many) before CDOs and CDSs took off. The re-mortgage merry go round has come to a halt so the mortgage market is shrinking to pre-boom levels. Interbank lending was vitally important to the securitised mortgage industry, but was it as important to more normal banking operations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BoE secret lending scheme is actively delaying the regular operation of interbank lending. </p>
<p>Why borrow off some dodgy high street bank when you can borrow off The Bank?* Vastly increasing the size of the SLS further delayed the necessary shakedown in interbank lending.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple enough point few seem to be making.</p>
<p>* Why borrow at all? Especially if you&#8217;re adequately capitalised going forward (as, er, HBOS, BnB, Northern Rock, Lloyds TSV and RBS were reckoned to be&#8230;).</p>
<p>Can someone provide a bit of historical context or point me in the direction of some? Eg the size of interbank lending (as opposed to LIBOR rates which seem to be a pre-occupation of many) before CDOs and CDSs took off. The re-mortgage merry go round has come to a halt so the mortgage market is shrinking to pre-boom levels. Interbank lending was vitally important to the securitised mortgage industry, but was it as important to more normal banking operations?</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what? I have never had it so good!
Prices are dropping fast. I include petrol.
I live in a house for which I do not pay rent and from which I have no intention of moving. My children (grown up) are all safely tucked away out of the country - except for my eldest son who has nearly paid off his mortgage.
I seems likely that, if house prices remain the same, that my grandchildren will actually be able to afford a house.
OK, in a recent bank revue, this week, we have lost a couple of hundred pounds on the family savings, but we trust (fingers crossed) that this will return over the long term.
My tiny pension is enough to live off if we are very careful.
My neighbours and friends don&#039;t seem to be in trouble much either.
Trouble, just at the moment, seems to be for other people.
Touch wood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what? I have never had it so good!<br />
Prices are dropping fast. I include petrol.<br />
I live in a house for which I do not pay rent and from which I have no intention of moving. My children (grown up) are all safely tucked away out of the country &#8211; except for my eldest son who has nearly paid off his mortgage.<br />
I seems likely that, if house prices remain the same, that my grandchildren will actually be able to afford a house.<br />
OK, in a recent bank revue, this week, we have lost a couple of hundred pounds on the family savings, but we trust (fingers crossed) that this will return over the long term.<br />
My tiny pension is enough to live off if we are very careful.<br />
My neighbours and friends don&#8217;t seem to be in trouble much either.<br />
Trouble, just at the moment, seems to be for other people.<br />
Touch wood.</p>
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		<title>By: Bhaskar Dasgupta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bhaskar Dasgupta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which is why the CDS market rated HSBC debt better than British debt. I quote: 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/3521412/Fears-mount-that-Government-will-default-on-bonds.html

The cost of insuring against the British Government defaulting on its gilts in the next five years surged to 100 basis points above libor at one stage yesterday, before closing at 88.2 basis points.

In comparison, insuring against leading banks failing to pay back their debt now stands at 58.8 basis points for BNP, 65.2 for Commerzbank and 68.6 for Credit Agricole. In the UK, Lloyds TSB is priced at 95 basis points and 99.2 for HSBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which is why the CDS market rated HSBC debt better than British debt. I quote: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/3521412/Fears-mount-that-Government-will-default-on-bonds.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/3521412/Fears-mount-that-Government-will-default-on-bonds.html</a></p>
<p>The cost of insuring against the British Government defaulting on its gilts in the next five years surged to 100 basis points above libor at one stage yesterday, before closing at 88.2 basis points.</p>
<p>In comparison, insuring against leading banks failing to pay back their debt now stands at 58.8 basis points for BNP, 65.2 for Commerzbank and 68.6 for Credit Agricole. In the UK, Lloyds TSB is priced at 95 basis points and 99.2 for HSBC.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some months now I have been in correspondence with friends of mine in the medical sector who worry about the emotional effect on ordinary people of all this indebtedness.  

One of the things I tell them is that the present kind of capitalism is no longer capable of sustaining itself in any form whatsoever and governments are panic led into solutions which only defer even greater problems for future generations.

Is there any chance of money itself being redefined?  Surely we can do better as a race than base our progress on a highly elaborate system of IOU&#039;s.  Admittedly a genuinely clean slate would diffuse and negate entrenched power as we know it, but the world is going to reach a point where that is the only viable alternative to complete anarchic madness! 

This would be genuine progress as mankind does not need the IOU as the only driver behind the means of production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some months now I have been in correspondence with friends of mine in the medical sector who worry about the emotional effect on ordinary people of all this indebtedness.  </p>
<p>One of the things I tell them is that the present kind of capitalism is no longer capable of sustaining itself in any form whatsoever and governments are panic led into solutions which only defer even greater problems for future generations.</p>
<p>Is there any chance of money itself being redefined?  Surely we can do better as a race than base our progress on a highly elaborate system of IOU&#8217;s.  Admittedly a genuinely clean slate would diffuse and negate entrenched power as we know it, but the world is going to reach a point where that is the only viable alternative to complete anarchic madness! </p>
<p>This would be genuine progress as mankind does not need the IOU as the only driver behind the means of production.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes this is worrying, no it is not as dramatic as it seems.

1. The BoE is still quite small (double the size of Northern Rock, for example).

2. As you are no doubt tired of hearing, &quot;inter-bank lending has dried up&quot;. Banks don&#039;t trust each other so they put their spare cash into the BoE. Other banks need to borrow, and the only bank who will lend to them is the BoE, as &#039;lender of last resort&#039;. So the BoE is now a glorified middleman between the other banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes this is worrying, no it is not as dramatic as it seems.</p>
<p>1. The BoE is still quite small (double the size of Northern Rock, for example).</p>
<p>2. As you are no doubt tired of hearing, &#8220;inter-bank lending has dried up&#8221;. Banks don&#8217;t trust each other so they put their spare cash into the BoE. Other banks need to borrow, and the only bank who will lend to them is the BoE, as &#8216;lender of last resort&#8217;. So the BoE is now a glorified middleman between the other banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tomkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Tomkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts occur to me:

1. No one in authority knows what they are doing and are just  panicking on a daily basis.

2. The authorities do have a plan to establish a new system of capitalism but are not prepared to say so because of the consequences to the majority.

The outcome in both cases seems to be economic impoverishment for the bulk of the population which will last for at least a generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts occur to me:</p>
<p>1. No one in authority knows what they are doing and are just  panicking on a daily basis.</p>
<p>2. The authorities do have a plan to establish a new system of capitalism but are not prepared to say so because of the consequences to the majority.</p>
<p>The outcome in both cases seems to be economic impoverishment for the bulk of the population which will last for at least a generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael, Islington</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/20/the-elastic-balance-sheet-of-the-bank-of-england/#comment-29368</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael, Islington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Keep the ideas short and simple. It&#039;s a killer.

As one commentator said today on Radio 4: &quot;The government is now operating its own Ponzi scheme&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Keep the ideas short and simple. It&#8217;s a killer.</p>
<p>As one commentator said today on Radio 4: &#8220;The government is now operating its own Ponzi scheme&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you have mentioned HSBC, it reminds me that not so long ago there was a particular shareholder who was criticising that bank for being over cautious and not doing its best for shareholder returns.  He has gone away now, I wonder why?

It looks like it will be down to you JR to keep us informed on Treasury and BoE activity.  I understand the government wants to keep this sort of data to itself - Banking Bill.

BTW. (For the nerds on this site)
In reply to one of your readers (private e-mail); but may be of interest to Redwoodians.  If you want to see the contribution that wind is making to our electricity see following.  Keep in mind that this is only the HV connected stuff that is metered by NG (1288MW).  The other current 1900MW is embedded at distribution level voltages.  There is about 16,000MW more currently under construction; been consented; in scoping / planning.  Let&#039;s hope for steady winds. 

http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm 

If you want the gas version http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Gas/Data/EFD/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you have mentioned HSBC, it reminds me that not so long ago there was a particular shareholder who was criticising that bank for being over cautious and not doing its best for shareholder returns.  He has gone away now, I wonder why?</p>
<p>It looks like it will be down to you JR to keep us informed on Treasury and BoE activity.  I understand the government wants to keep this sort of data to itself &#8211; Banking Bill.</p>
<p>BTW. (For the nerds on this site)<br />
In reply to one of your readers (private e-mail); but may be of interest to Redwoodians.  If you want to see the contribution that wind is making to our electricity see following.  Keep in mind that this is only the HV connected stuff that is metered by NG (1288MW).  The other current 1900MW is embedded at distribution level voltages.  There is about 16,000MW more currently under construction; been consented; in scoping / planning.  Let&#8217;s hope for steady winds. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm</a> </p>
<p>If you want the gas version <a href="http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Gas/Data/EFD/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Gas/Data/EFD/</a></p>
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