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	<title>Comments on: Freedom has to be fought for- the relevance of the US revolution to today.</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Whitfield</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/28/freedom-has-to-be-fought-for/#comment-30321</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Whitfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shout this from the rooftops, our personal freedon and liberty is at stake here. This ever encroaching big brother approach to our lifestyle will not stop unless lots of us shout loud.</description>
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		<title>By: David Eyles</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/28/freedom-has-to-be-fought-for/#comment-29921</link>
		<dc:creator>David Eyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that these three statements - Magna Carta, Bill of Rights and US declaration of independence happened a long time ago and contain wordings or statements that appear antiquated or obscure to our modern minds, does not diminish in any way their relevence to our current, straitened, times.

That all three are of Anglo-Saxon origin or influence may be a coincidence. Likewise, that all three are Christian, the second two being Protestant. But there is a universality to all three which cuts across nations, race and religion - because for as long as the human spirit is alive, the need for liberty will never go out of fashion.

All three are statements which were designed to limit the power of the state to the things which the state should be doing for it&#039;s people - not the other way round. All three provided the conditions for a huge burst in economic, spiritual and intellectual activity. A mere five years after Magna Carta was signed, the foundations for Salisbury Cathedral were laid and which signalled a golden period of cathedral and church building on the back of the enormous wealth that liberated trade brought England. The Bill of Rights laid the groundwork for the Enlightenment and US independence gave birth to what is today the most powerful nation on Earth. It may be that they gave rise to a certain amount of local difficulty immediately following their signature; but eventually, liberty, peace and prosperity followed.

We now have a government that has borrowed three times more than it is admitting - according to some it is about one and a half times our total national output. These levels of debt are terrifying and we shall be paying for it for at least a generation. Everything this government has touched (and it has touched everything in our lives) it has destroyed, damaged, neutered or prostituted. Its only success has been in the way in which it has progressively and continuously lied to the people of the United Kingdom in order to maintain itself in office. Gordon Brown is now busy inciting the ghost of Churchill  to rouse the British people to bear up and fight the difficulties to come - the difficulties he himself has created. And this is from a man who has not even had the courage to face an election for leadership of his own party, never mind a General Election.

To change this, we have two things to do. The first is to rouse the electorate by telling them, loudly and continuously, that their democracy and freedoms, as well as their jobs and financial security, are in deadly peril. The second is to make it clear to David Cameron that the solutions to our problems will not be provided by minor tinkering at the edges, but by radical reform of the bloated public sector.

And that is why, regardless of our religious views, all of us SHOULD bother to rid the nation of these charlatans and restore liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that these three statements &#8211; Magna Carta, Bill of Rights and US declaration of independence happened a long time ago and contain wordings or statements that appear antiquated or obscure to our modern minds, does not diminish in any way their relevence to our current, straitened, times.</p>
<p>That all three are of Anglo-Saxon origin or influence may be a coincidence. Likewise, that all three are Christian, the second two being Protestant. But there is a universality to all three which cuts across nations, race and religion &#8211; because for as long as the human spirit is alive, the need for liberty will never go out of fashion.</p>
<p>All three are statements which were designed to limit the power of the state to the things which the state should be doing for it&#8217;s people &#8211; not the other way round. All three provided the conditions for a huge burst in economic, spiritual and intellectual activity. A mere five years after Magna Carta was signed, the foundations for Salisbury Cathedral were laid and which signalled a golden period of cathedral and church building on the back of the enormous wealth that liberated trade brought England. The Bill of Rights laid the groundwork for the Enlightenment and US independence gave birth to what is today the most powerful nation on Earth. It may be that they gave rise to a certain amount of local difficulty immediately following their signature; but eventually, liberty, peace and prosperity followed.</p>
<p>We now have a government that has borrowed three times more than it is admitting &#8211; according to some it is about one and a half times our total national output. These levels of debt are terrifying and we shall be paying for it for at least a generation. Everything this government has touched (and it has touched everything in our lives) it has destroyed, damaged, neutered or prostituted. Its only success has been in the way in which it has progressively and continuously lied to the people of the United Kingdom in order to maintain itself in office. Gordon Brown is now busy inciting the ghost of Churchill  to rouse the British people to bear up and fight the difficulties to come &#8211; the difficulties he himself has created. And this is from a man who has not even had the courage to face an election for leadership of his own party, never mind a General Election.</p>
<p>To change this, we have two things to do. The first is to rouse the electorate by telling them, loudly and continuously, that their democracy and freedoms, as well as their jobs and financial security, are in deadly peril. The second is to make it clear to David Cameron that the solutions to our problems will not be provided by minor tinkering at the edges, but by radical reform of the bloated public sector.</p>
<p>And that is why, regardless of our religious views, all of us SHOULD bother to rid the nation of these charlatans and restore liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bull</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/28/freedom-has-to-be-fought-for/#comment-29821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(JR)Reply: &quot;I do take a principled stand for liberty, as do many of my colleagues in the Conservative party. After all, David Davis resigned and fought a by election over one of the big issues. The Leader of the party agrees with us that freedom has been damaged and some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards.&quot;

You do take a stand for liberty, yes ... but
The action of David Davis was personal and not supported by the party.
&quot;... some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards.&quot; is hardly a strong position to take on the issue.
Freedom is at the heart of what it means to be British and you underestimate its importance at your peril.
The Conservative Party is not yet in step with the majority and should not assume that a poll lead will translate into a majority vote, unless DC and others make clear and unambiguous commitments to repeal or amend all such oppressive legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(JR)Reply: &#8220;I do take a principled stand for liberty, as do many of my colleagues in the Conservative party. After all, David Davis resigned and fought a by election over one of the big issues. The Leader of the party agrees with us that freedom has been damaged and some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards.&#8221;</p>
<p>You do take a stand for liberty, yes &#8230; but<br />
The action of David Davis was personal and not supported by the party.<br />
&#8220;&#8230; some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards.&#8221; is hardly a strong position to take on the issue.<br />
Freedom is at the heart of what it means to be British and you underestimate its importance at your peril.<br />
The Conservative Party is not yet in step with the majority and should not assume that a poll lead will translate into a majority vote, unless DC and others make clear and unambiguous commitments to repeal or amend all such oppressive legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sava Zxivanovich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sava Zxivanovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Empower the family again.

That is a good start.</description>
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<p>That is a good start.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the rest but I&#039;m not convinced by the idea of the American revolution as simply good against evil; sounds like Yankee propaganda.</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2008/12/28/freedom-has-to-be-fought-for/#comment-29747</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem is our children will see armed police, Id cards and state intervention in all aspects of our lives as the Norm.
And those shaping the new reality know this very well.

&#039;Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction&#039;

Ronald Reagan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem is our children will see armed police, Id cards and state intervention in all aspects of our lives as the Norm.<br />
And those shaping the new reality know this very well.</p>
<p>&#8216;Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction&#8217;</p>
<p>Ronald Reagan</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have written a frank and sincere appeal at the very deepest level and I want to answer in kind.
Why bother?
There are lots and lots of reasons why we should override Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights and disregard the American Constitution: 1. They are out of date now. 2. We are not American but European, willy nilly. 3. Upon what basis should these three statements be accepted? What makes them right?
In the days when they were laid down, Britain/USA were Protestant/Christian countries which saw man as created in God&#039;s image. Therefore all men were equally precious in God&#039;s sight. The King was just another human under God. The Law, as instituted by man under God, overruled even the King&#039;s Majesty.
Does that still hold in 2008?
Lots and lots of people would laugh out loud at the very suggestion. I am not one of those people, because I am a Christian. But there are not many of us left, you know......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have written a frank and sincere appeal at the very deepest level and I want to answer in kind.<br />
Why bother?<br />
There are lots and lots of reasons why we should override Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights and disregard the American Constitution: 1. They are out of date now. 2. We are not American but European, willy nilly. 3. Upon what basis should these three statements be accepted? What makes them right?<br />
In the days when they were laid down, Britain/USA were Protestant/Christian countries which saw man as created in God&#8217;s image. Therefore all men were equally precious in God&#8217;s sight. The King was just another human under God. The Law, as instituted by man under God, overruled even the King&#8217;s Majesty.<br />
Does that still hold in 2008?<br />
Lots and lots of people would laugh out loud at the very suggestion. I am not one of those people, because I am a Christian. But there are not many of us left, you know&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek W. Buxton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek W. Buxton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,
Another excellent article, under the banner of the restoration of our hard won freedoms I could again vote for the Conservative Party.  Whilst I believe in you, I cannot accept that the Party as a unit will agree with your analysis or accept your conclusion.

I also think that the increasing raft of new laws is deliberate, done by a set of control freaks, certainly led from the top but done by those who should be/are our servants, the &quot;civil service&quot;.  There should be checks and balances against this but where are they?  Parliament is irrelevant and our Judges politicised, not forgetting the EU who causes many of these things but allows the blame to fall on the local government.  And this is where the stupidity of our government shows in it&#039;s full glory,.... they keep quiet about it.  Unfortunately so do the opposition and the media.  &quot;Don&#039;t rock the boat&quot;  they all cry, problem is, said boat is sinking, fast!

On this, it is a sad comment that just two days after an EU spokesman said that metrication wasn&#039;t intended to penalise our traders, a London local authority did exactly that.  Why,... because our parliament made that the law in this country, meanwhile the French still use livres for their purchases.

Derek Buxton

reply: I am pleased to remind you the whole Conservative Opposition spoke and voted against many of the infringements of our liberty like ID cards, no EU referendum, 42 days detention without trial etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,<br />
Another excellent article, under the banner of the restoration of our hard won freedoms I could again vote for the Conservative Party.  Whilst I believe in you, I cannot accept that the Party as a unit will agree with your analysis or accept your conclusion.</p>
<p>I also think that the increasing raft of new laws is deliberate, done by a set of control freaks, certainly led from the top but done by those who should be/are our servants, the &#8220;civil service&#8221;.  There should be checks and balances against this but where are they?  Parliament is irrelevant and our Judges politicised, not forgetting the EU who causes many of these things but allows the blame to fall on the local government.  And this is where the stupidity of our government shows in it&#8217;s full glory,&#8230;. they keep quiet about it.  Unfortunately so do the opposition and the media.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t rock the boat&#8221;  they all cry, problem is, said boat is sinking, fast!</p>
<p>On this, it is a sad comment that just two days after an EU spokesman said that metrication wasn&#8217;t intended to penalise our traders, a London local authority did exactly that.  Why,&#8230; because our parliament made that the law in this country, meanwhile the French still use livres for their purchases.</p>
<p>Derek Buxton</p>
<p>reply: I am pleased to remind you the whole Conservative Opposition spoke and voted against many of the infringements of our liberty like ID cards, no EU referendum, 42 days detention without trial etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred T Mahan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred T Mahan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, you give the game away with the phrase &#039;in recent weeks&#039;. Recently the way to go has been obvious to a blind man in a kayak in mid-Atlantic, and this has been reflected in opinion poll movement.  Agreeing with the majority of commentators proves nothing. So I don&#039;t yet see the Damascene conversion of Messrs Cameron and Osborne  as proving that they understand in their heart of hearts what is required. They&#039;ve been trimmers up to now - why aren&#039;t they trimmers still?

Reducing our bloated, inefficient government will require quite exceptional willpower to take on the numerous vested interests that will oppose it. Trimmers don&#039;t have the necessary depth of commitment to make it happen. It will take more than a few comments &#039;in recent weeks&#039; to convince me that the current Conservative leadership have the understanding and the determination to see through what&#039;s necessary.

I say this in sorrow not in anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, you give the game away with the phrase &#8216;in recent weeks&#8217;. Recently the way to go has been obvious to a blind man in a kayak in mid-Atlantic, and this has been reflected in opinion poll movement.  Agreeing with the majority of commentators proves nothing. So I don&#8217;t yet see the Damascene conversion of Messrs Cameron and Osborne  as proving that they understand in their heart of hearts what is required. They&#8217;ve been trimmers up to now &#8211; why aren&#8217;t they trimmers still?</p>
<p>Reducing our bloated, inefficient government will require quite exceptional willpower to take on the numerous vested interests that will oppose it. Trimmers don&#8217;t have the necessary depth of commitment to make it happen. It will take more than a few comments &#8216;in recent weeks&#8217; to convince me that the current Conservative leadership have the understanding and the determination to see through what&#8217;s necessary.</p>
<p>I say this in sorrow not in anger.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respect your point of view about personally wanting to remain within the Conservative Party, for me Libertarianism is a philosophy of freedom and personal responsibility.

Whilst the Conservative Party, first tries to match Labour spending, then tries and dispenses with Green policies in a desperate need to curry favour with an electorate that is hooked on ever greater State intervention, my Libertarianism has no home in the Conservative Party.

The bulk of our members are under thirty, the Conservative Party is ageing. So I have a confidence in the future, and the eventual refusal to render unto Caesar, when Caesar is being too damn greedy.

None of this however would stop me supporting you personally if you made Liberty and a written Constitution your reason for sitting in Parliament !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respect your point of view about personally wanting to remain within the Conservative Party, for me Libertarianism is a philosophy of freedom and personal responsibility.</p>
<p>Whilst the Conservative Party, first tries to match Labour spending, then tries and dispenses with Green policies in a desperate need to curry favour with an electorate that is hooked on ever greater State intervention, my Libertarianism has no home in the Conservative Party.</p>
<p>The bulk of our members are under thirty, the Conservative Party is ageing. So I have a confidence in the future, and the eventual refusal to render unto Caesar, when Caesar is being too damn greedy.</p>
<p>None of this however would stop me supporting you personally if you made Liberty and a written Constitution your reason for sitting in Parliament !</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good job that John Adams did not take your view, he knew that he could not reform the Monarchy from within, and joined a fringe movement to set America free. The SNP also was once a fringe party in Scotland, it is now the Party of Government in Scotland and the Tories a fringe party.

John Adams joined a revolutionary party and took to arms and freedom took twenty years to achieve, the SNP have taken the constitutional route and have taken seventy years.

Reflecting the will of the people, not how many powerless MP&#039;s that can be elected should be the worth of any party.

Labour have revoked  freedoms and Liberties in ten years that took centuries to achieve, one of your own MP&#039;s had his offices searched and was arrested under anti terrorism legistlation, yet the Conservative party seemed quite muted in its response. I doubt whether Pym, Holles and Hampden would have allowed this to pass in such a manner.

What I do agree with you on is the pressing need for a realignment in favour of Liberty, how this is achieved in this moribund political system is another matter.

Reply: Adams knew he had the people of Massachusetts behind him when he broke with the Crown. There is no evidence of popular support for fringe parties, even though the issues they raise are important. Be a pressure group if you like - I want to change things, and need to belong to a party which can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good job that John Adams did not take your view, he knew that he could not reform the Monarchy from within, and joined a fringe movement to set America free. The SNP also was once a fringe party in Scotland, it is now the Party of Government in Scotland and the Tories a fringe party.</p>
<p>John Adams joined a revolutionary party and took to arms and freedom took twenty years to achieve, the SNP have taken the constitutional route and have taken seventy years.</p>
<p>Reflecting the will of the people, not how many powerless MP&#8217;s that can be elected should be the worth of any party.</p>
<p>Labour have revoked  freedoms and Liberties in ten years that took centuries to achieve, one of your own MP&#8217;s had his offices searched and was arrested under anti terrorism legistlation, yet the Conservative party seemed quite muted in its response. I doubt whether Pym, Holles and Hampden would have allowed this to pass in such a manner.</p>
<p>What I do agree with you on is the pressing need for a realignment in favour of Liberty, how this is achieved in this moribund political system is another matter.</p>
<p>Reply: Adams knew he had the people of Massachusetts behind him when he broke with the Crown. There is no evidence of popular support for fringe parties, even though the issues they raise are important. Be a pressure group if you like &#8211; I want to change things, and need to belong to a party which can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Eyles</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Eyles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now recovering from post-lambing-fatigue, this is the first time I have had time I have had to to read this article properly. Compared to David Cameron&#039;s statements on the subject, it is commendably explicit and just what we need from an eminent back-bencher to get the ball rolling a little faster. The only thing I will add is that the foundations for the 1689 Bill of Rights and US independence were laid down in 1215. For those with the time, I have given below two links to articles I wrote in September. The first gives the background to the signing of the Magna Carta and a summary of its contents; the second continues this and then deals with the wider implications for our modern times, many of which are echoed in JR&#039;s article above. 

The links are: http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/08/david-eyles-why.html  http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/09/david-eyles-why.html

The re-establishment of liberty and the rule of law are the vital precursors to recovery from our current economic and social malaise. Without these basic concepts re-established, we cannot hope to recover from the mess that this government has got us into.

And, yes, I think that it really is time: &quot;..... we need to fashion a new coalition for liberty in our own country.&quot; I&#039;m up for it. How many others out there are also interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now recovering from post-lambing-fatigue, this is the first time I have had time I have had to to read this article properly. Compared to David Cameron&#8217;s statements on the subject, it is commendably explicit and just what we need from an eminent back-bencher to get the ball rolling a little faster. The only thing I will add is that the foundations for the 1689 Bill of Rights and US independence were laid down in 1215. For those with the time, I have given below two links to articles I wrote in September. The first gives the background to the signing of the Magna Carta and a summary of its contents; the second continues this and then deals with the wider implications for our modern times, many of which are echoed in JR&#8217;s article above. </p>
<p>The links are: <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/08/david-eyles-why.html" rel="nofollow">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/08/david-eyles-why.html</a>  <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/09/david-eyles-why.html" rel="nofollow">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2008/09/david-eyles-why.html</a></p>
<p>The re-establishment of liberty and the rule of law are the vital precursors to recovery from our current economic and social malaise. Without these basic concepts re-established, we cannot hope to recover from the mess that this government has got us into.</p>
<p>And, yes, I think that it really is time: &#8220;&#8230;.. we need to fashion a new coalition for liberty in our own country.&#8221; I&#8217;m up for it. How many others out there are also interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Thornhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Thornhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately David Cameron appears to care not for such things. It seems he is mainly intent on landing a 5 year contract with the British electorate with the break clause on his side only with the freedom to change the terms of the agreement, its content and purpose, again only on his side. The Tories are ever more Statist, more Centrist in areas and are still wedded to that leech of Sovereignty and Freedom, the EU.

We need to understand that the State is, at best, a necessary evil and one must constantly review and test that necessity. The Conservative Party leadership sees Government as a &quot;good&quot;. People want more good, so the Conservative Party will want a bigger state machine.

John, you appear to be wise enough to see the State for what it truly is and wish to limit it as a matter of prinicple and pragmatic reality. 

The only UK party that sees the State thus - at best a necessary evil - also stands for Freedom, Rule of Law and Liberty. That party is the Libertarian Party. The Tories cannot be reformed from within as it is still moving in the wrong direction. It beggars the question already asked above - why, John, do you remain in the Tory party and not seek out the Libertarian Party?

Reply: I have seen several parties set up in recent years on the basis that the Tories do not go far enough in a preferred direction. None of these parties  - UKIP, Referendum,English Democrats etc - have ever got a single MP elected to Westminster, and I suspect  none will again at the next election. I think people with strong beliefs in less Europe, more freedom, a referendum or whatever are better advised to join the Conservative party and add their voice to those of us who share some of their aims. If more people vote for these fringe parties it just gives the statist Eurocracts in the Lib dems and Labour more chance of winning more seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately David Cameron appears to care not for such things. It seems he is mainly intent on landing a 5 year contract with the British electorate with the break clause on his side only with the freedom to change the terms of the agreement, its content and purpose, again only on his side. The Tories are ever more Statist, more Centrist in areas and are still wedded to that leech of Sovereignty and Freedom, the EU.</p>
<p>We need to understand that the State is, at best, a necessary evil and one must constantly review and test that necessity. The Conservative Party leadership sees Government as a &#8220;good&#8221;. People want more good, so the Conservative Party will want a bigger state machine.</p>
<p>John, you appear to be wise enough to see the State for what it truly is and wish to limit it as a matter of prinicple and pragmatic reality. </p>
<p>The only UK party that sees the State thus &#8211; at best a necessary evil &#8211; also stands for Freedom, Rule of Law and Liberty. That party is the Libertarian Party. The Tories cannot be reformed from within as it is still moving in the wrong direction. It beggars the question already asked above &#8211; why, John, do you remain in the Tory party and not seek out the Libertarian Party?</p>
<p>Reply: I have seen several parties set up in recent years on the basis that the Tories do not go far enough in a preferred direction. None of these parties  &#8211; UKIP, Referendum,English Democrats etc &#8211; have ever got a single MP elected to Westminster, and I suspect  none will again at the next election. I think people with strong beliefs in less Europe, more freedom, a referendum or whatever are better advised to join the Conservative party and add their voice to those of us who share some of their aims. If more people vote for these fringe parties it just gives the statist Eurocracts in the Lib dems and Labour more chance of winning more seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Withers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Withers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately your leader said at the Conservative Party Conference- I am no Libertarian. Confusing Libertarianism with being a Libertine. De Facto Authoritarian ?

The British people are tired of authoritarianism and tired of being taxed to the point of distraction.

John Adams faced certain execution as a rebel against the Crown, if his ship en route to France had been captured. Sadly modern MP&#039;s who are broadly Libertarian will not even take the risk of losing their safe seat, let alone face death as did Adams.

I do not expect you to join the new coalition for Liberty, but I do expect you to take a pricipled stand, if you truly believe what you write.

Chairman LPUK

Reply: I do take a principled stand for liberty, as do many of my colleagues in the Conservative party. After all, David Davis resigned and fought a by election over one of the big issues. The Leader of the party agrees with us that freedom has been damaged and some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately your leader said at the Conservative Party Conference- I am no Libertarian. Confusing Libertarianism with being a Libertine. De Facto Authoritarian ?</p>
<p>The British people are tired of authoritarianism and tired of being taxed to the point of distraction.</p>
<p>John Adams faced certain execution as a rebel against the Crown, if his ship en route to France had been captured. Sadly modern MP&#8217;s who are broadly Libertarian will not even take the risk of losing their safe seat, let alone face death as did Adams.</p>
<p>I do not expect you to join the new coalition for Liberty, but I do expect you to take a pricipled stand, if you truly believe what you write.</p>
<p>Chairman LPUK</p>
<p>Reply: I do take a principled stand for liberty, as do many of my colleagues in the Conservative party. After all, David Davis resigned and fought a by election over one of the big issues. The Leader of the party agrees with us that freedom has been damaged and some repeals will be necessary, starting with ID cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Hillier-Brook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Hillier-Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do hope that you can get this message through to David Cameron. It&#039;s hard to see how he could lose votes by promising to roll back the almighty state, but he seens to fear that this would be a consequence, at least in his public persona where &quot;timid&quot; seems an appropriate adjective.

Reply: On  the contrary, David has made clear in recent weeks that he wants a smaller state, less expensive to run and more responsive to the public it is meant to serve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do hope that you can get this message through to David Cameron. It&#8217;s hard to see how he could lose votes by promising to roll back the almighty state, but he seens to fear that this would be a consequence, at least in his public persona where &#8220;timid&#8221; seems an appropriate adjective.</p>
<p>Reply: On  the contrary, David has made clear in recent weeks that he wants a smaller state, less expensive to run and more responsive to the public it is meant to serve.</p>
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		<title>By: DiscoveredJoys</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiscoveredJoys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting subject to debate - at what point did HMG switch from protecting the country to micro-managing it? There seems to have been an increasing interference in our daily lives after World War II. Perhaps freedoms surrendered to the common cause can never fully be restored?

I&#039;m fairly certain that there is no swift and painless way of changing this attitude, but unless the state is actively rolled back, it will roll forward over us all.

There is a change in attitude required - moving from from provision of state run services (e.g. health, education, which the state manages extremely poorly) to establishing the standards for these activities provided by others.

I believe the people of the UK would be happy to be led well, but are currently dissatisfied and disgruntled at being managed. We want the Government to set the tone, not nag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting subject to debate &#8211; at what point did HMG switch from protecting the country to micro-managing it? There seems to have been an increasing interference in our daily lives after World War II. Perhaps freedoms surrendered to the common cause can never fully be restored?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly certain that there is no swift and painless way of changing this attitude, but unless the state is actively rolled back, it will roll forward over us all.</p>
<p>There is a change in attitude required &#8211; moving from from provision of state run services (e.g. health, education, which the state manages extremely poorly) to establishing the standards for these activities provided by others.</p>
<p>I believe the people of the UK would be happy to be led well, but are currently dissatisfied and disgruntled at being managed. We want the Government to set the tone, not nag.</p>
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		<title>By: mikestallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikestallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course you are right!
But my wife represents Mrs Average - something she is extremely talented at being.
When I say things like you have said above, she always points out that the government is right, actually. Do you really want complete chaos on the roads? What if, say, an ambulance had to drive down the narrow street where the yellow lines have been put to save someone who was dying?
Politics? Boring. Politicians? Boring. She judges them by tribal instinct and also by the amount of hair they have, and if they look &quot;nice&quot;. And she believes that they all are trying their very best to make her safe.
She reads the paper every day and votes at every election, faithfully.
David Davis? Who? 
Most people I meet in this town feel exactly the same as she does, which is why I am so lucky to have her as an adviser. They aren&#039;t bothered by the EU, the credit crunch, Chammy Chakrabati, or anything else much. They live their lives.
And until people like me, who care very much about our traditional and historic liberties, realise this important truth, we are going to be condemned for ever to the sidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you are right!<br />
But my wife represents Mrs Average &#8211; something she is extremely talented at being.<br />
When I say things like you have said above, she always points out that the government is right, actually. Do you really want complete chaos on the roads? What if, say, an ambulance had to drive down the narrow street where the yellow lines have been put to save someone who was dying?<br />
Politics? Boring. Politicians? Boring. She judges them by tribal instinct and also by the amount of hair they have, and if they look &#8220;nice&#8221;. And she believes that they all are trying their very best to make her safe.<br />
She reads the paper every day and votes at every election, faithfully.<br />
David Davis? Who?<br />
Most people I meet in this town feel exactly the same as she does, which is why I am so lucky to have her as an adviser. They aren&#8217;t bothered by the EU, the credit crunch, Chammy Chakrabati, or anything else much. They live their lives.<br />
And until people like me, who care very much about our traditional and historic liberties, realise this important truth, we are going to be condemned for ever to the sidelines.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Bull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Bull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When do you think you will acknowledge that the Conservative Party is unlikely to repeal the oppressive legislation to any significant degree, and will transfer your allegiance to the Libertarian Party ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When do you think you will acknowledge that the Conservative Party is unlikely to repeal the oppressive legislation to any significant degree, and will transfer your allegiance to the Libertarian Party ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the message should not be that we need more government, but we need wiser government.&quot;

NO! We need LESS government and the Founding Fathers knew this and tried to limit its powers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the message should not be that we need more government, but we need wiser government.&#8221;</p>
<p>NO! We need LESS government and the Founding Fathers knew this and tried to limit its powers.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine words JR but there are no &quot;Sons of Liberty&quot; around here, (sorry, that should be Persons of Liberty).  There will be no Boston Tea Party here, (other beverages are available).  The masses will not arise and demand a new coalition for liberty; they wouldn&#039;t have a clue what you were on about; (but they are experts in the voting system for strictly come dancing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine words JR but there are no &#8220;Sons of Liberty&#8221; around here, (sorry, that should be Persons of Liberty).  There will be no Boston Tea Party here, (other beverages are available).  The masses will not arise and demand a new coalition for liberty; they wouldn&#8217;t have a clue what you were on about; (but they are experts in the voting system for strictly come dancing).</p>
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