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	<title>Comments on: Council Taxes are too high &#8211; time for change</title>
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	<description>Conservative Party Candidate for Wokingham</description>
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		<title>By: michael vaughan</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/council-taxes-are-too-high-time-for-change/#comment-33006</link>
		<dc:creator>michael vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Council Tax /domestic residential 

Valuation bands are too high across the country but in particular the council tax that homeowners over the age of [say] 60-65 are required to find is a disgrace and impoverishes them to the point of destitution.
In the very near future [a couple of years or more now] there will be a large number of this age group wanting to move/downsize and live in a semblence of respectful retirement however the regular bills they will face paying will provide such a stressful existence many will just die,frightened,scared and poor.
Whoever forms the next government has to get a grip on this and bring revolutionary thinking to this massive and real problem.I would be very interested to know what David C has to say on this and his ability to deal with it from a moral and humane viewpoint.</description>
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<p>Valuation bands are too high across the country but in particular the council tax that homeowners over the age of [say] 60-65 are required to find is a disgrace and impoverishes them to the point of destitution.<br />
In the very near future [a couple of years or more now] there will be a large number of this age group wanting to move/downsize and live in a semblence of respectful retirement however the regular bills they will face paying will provide such a stressful existence many will just die,frightened,scared and poor.<br />
Whoever forms the next government has to get a grip on this and bring revolutionary thinking to this massive and real problem.I would be very interested to know what David C has to say on this and his ability to deal with it from a moral and humane viewpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Duffin</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/council-taxes-are-too-high-time-for-change/#comment-32721</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A referendum if people think the Council Tax is too high?

Excellent idea, on one condition: only council tax &lt;i&gt;payers&lt;/i&gt; get to vote.

(That is to say, nobody whose tax is paid for them by the Social)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A referendum if people think the Council Tax is too high?</p>
<p>Excellent idea, on one condition: only council tax <i>payers</i> get to vote.</p>
<p>(That is to say, nobody whose tax is paid for them by the Social)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisP</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/council-taxes-are-too-high-time-for-change/#comment-32685</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understand all council services must be cut through Gershon efficiency savings each year.

Something else to consider is that Central Government will normally require more statutory duties to be performed for less money each year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand all council services must be cut through Gershon efficiency savings each year.</p>
<p>Something else to consider is that Central Government will normally require more statutory duties to be performed for less money each year.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is if the Councillors don&#039;t have the bottle to deal with the tough issues then they shouldn&#039;t be there.

Is it because most local Councillors are Conservative that you are trying to hide the fact that they are not capable of actually running the organisations they are so keen to grab power in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is if the Councillors don&#8217;t have the bottle to deal with the tough issues then they shouldn&#8217;t be there.</p>
<p>Is it because most local Councillors are Conservative that you are trying to hide the fact that they are not capable of actually running the organisations they are so keen to grab power in?</p>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that is why in the Conservative Green Paper the Party is promising to &quot;make the local government funding settlement more transparent&quot; as well as returning powers to allow local government greater control of their money.

Thanks Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is why in the Conservative Green Paper the Party is promising to &#8220;make the local government funding settlement more transparent&#8221; as well as returning powers to allow local government greater control of their money.</p>
<p>Thanks Alan</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that the problem here is that the Councils are being Bribed by the Government to do the things the Government want.

If you don&#039;t do as we say, we will withold our Funding from you.

The Council will then need to go to the electorate with a far higher increase in Council tax to raise more revenue to cover the Governments share/grant which is being witheld, and thus become unpopular and get voted out.

In any other situation this would be blackmail.

In addition if the Council were to raise its own funds by increasing Council tax above the suggested Governments limit, it would get Find by the Government.

They call it Democracy, you probably have a better word for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that the problem here is that the Councils are being Bribed by the Government to do the things the Government want.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t do as we say, we will withold our Funding from you.</p>
<p>The Council will then need to go to the electorate with a far higher increase in Council tax to raise more revenue to cover the Governments share/grant which is being witheld, and thus become unpopular and get voted out.</p>
<p>In any other situation this would be blackmail.</p>
<p>In addition if the Council were to raise its own funds by increasing Council tax above the suggested Governments limit, it would get Find by the Government.</p>
<p>They call it Democracy, you probably have a better word for it.</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;I welcome today’s news that a Conservative government would give local electors the right to demand a referendum where they thought the Council Tax was too high and should be brought down.2

Which will be futile unless you restrict the right to vote in the referendum to those who actually pay the council tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &#8220;I welcome today’s news that a Conservative government would give local electors the right to demand a referendum where they thought the Council Tax was too high and should be brought down.2</p>
<p>Which will be futile unless you restrict the right to vote in the referendum to those who actually pay the council tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Jutson, that&#039;s a good list - and it is exactly those taxes that should be scrapped and replaced with some sort of property value tax! But don&#039;t forget that the long term capital gains are tax free (unless caught by IHT) and that the notional rental income is untaxed as well. 

Why would anybody invest in shares, the profits on which are heavily taxed and then pay CGT when he sells if he can make tax free capital gains through home-ownership? Well, the answer is they don&#039;t, which is why we have house price bubbles and chronic under-saving and under-investment in the UK.

Robert, if three adults share a house and next door one adult lives alone, do the three adults &#039;use&#039; three times as much streetlighting? Does their bin need to be emptied three times a week? Don&#039;t they pay three times as much income tax and VAT as the single person? 

Remember always that council tax only covers about a quarter of council spending, the bulk is out of redistributed income tax etc. If we have, allegedly a housing shortgage in this country and apparently no new houses may be built, then isn&#039;t it better if people use available houses more efficiently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Jutson, that&#8217;s a good list &#8211; and it is exactly those taxes that should be scrapped and replaced with some sort of property value tax! But don&#8217;t forget that the long term capital gains are tax free (unless caught by IHT) and that the notional rental income is untaxed as well. </p>
<p>Why would anybody invest in shares, the profits on which are heavily taxed and then pay CGT when he sells if he can make tax free capital gains through home-ownership? Well, the answer is they don&#8217;t, which is why we have house price bubbles and chronic under-saving and under-investment in the UK.</p>
<p>Robert, if three adults share a house and next door one adult lives alone, do the three adults &#8216;use&#8217; three times as much streetlighting? Does their bin need to be emptied three times a week? Don&#8217;t they pay three times as much income tax and VAT as the single person? </p>
<p>Remember always that council tax only covers about a quarter of council spending, the bulk is out of redistributed income tax etc. If we have, allegedly a housing shortgage in this country and apparently no new houses may be built, then isn&#8217;t it better if people use available houses more efficiently?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My twopennyworth...

It seems typical of today&#039;s council that I, a small business owner, get a mailing with business tips from the commercial branch of Wealden District Council.

Now I didn&#039;t canvass their opinion when I started here, nor when I expanded, or even when I bought the company.

Why do they think I need this guff - especially when Business Link do exactly the same, for free, or I can join one (or all) of the many business clubs locally.

Councils - and many other public bodies - need to rein in and remember what their core purpose is, excel at that first then maybe look at expanding.

As I also live within the council&#039;s border I know they can improve in so many areas, but does anything look like changing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My twopennyworth&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems typical of today&#8217;s council that I, a small business owner, get a mailing with business tips from the commercial branch of Wealden District Council.</p>
<p>Now I didn&#8217;t canvass their opinion when I started here, nor when I expanded, or even when I bought the company.</p>
<p>Why do they think I need this guff &#8211; especially when Business Link do exactly the same, for free, or I can join one (or all) of the many business clubs locally.</p>
<p>Councils &#8211; and many other public bodies &#8211; need to rein in and remember what their core purpose is, excel at that first then maybe look at expanding.</p>
<p>As I also live within the council&#8217;s border I know they can improve in so many areas, but does anything look like changing?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly that is not and never will be the case! My phrase of &#039;you should pay for what you use&#039; applies to the fact that individuals not houses per se use council services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly that is not and never will be the case! My phrase of &#8216;you should pay for what you use&#8217; applies to the fact that individuals not houses per se use council services.</p>
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		<title>By: christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one point missing from your excellent post. Councillors in administration (from whatever political party) should be guided by their Party&#039;s principles.  Far too many Conservative councillors are little more than mouth pieces for this Labour Government by failing to interpret directives and guidance through their own political values.  For example Conservatives should aim to push back unnecessary state interventions where they can,  but many Conservative administrations support unnecessary regulations and interference which have nothing to so with their primary role of delivering innovative and economic essential services to their electorate.  We have had Conservative councils snooping and spying, and now we have a Conservative strong council reinventing punctuation.   A simple reflection on what is important to their political values will help enormously in stripping out superfluous items from council budgets.

*   *   *</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one point missing from your excellent post. Councillors in administration (from whatever political party) should be guided by their Party&#8217;s principles.  Far too many Conservative councillors are little more than mouth pieces for this Labour Government by failing to interpret directives and guidance through their own political values.  For example Conservatives should aim to push back unnecessary state interventions where they can,  but many Conservative administrations support unnecessary regulations and interference which have nothing to so with their primary role of delivering innovative and economic essential services to their electorate.  We have had Conservative councils snooping and spying, and now we have a Conservative strong council reinventing punctuation.   A simple reflection on what is important to their political values will help enormously in stripping out superfluous items from council budgets.</p>
<p>*   *   *</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/02/17/council-taxes-are-too-high-time-for-change/#comment-32647</link>
		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only when houses are bought do you pay tax.
When they are sold Stamp Duty is charged.
When you repair them or improve them Vat is charged.
When you pay for heating Vat is charged.
When you furnish them Vat is paid,
Council tax is already charged on their value
When you die Inheritance tax is paid.
There is enough taxation on Houses already, all from income which has already been taxed.

If you want to get the building industry moving then reduce VAT and at the same time kill off the cash (black economy) cowboys who do not pay tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only when houses are bought do you pay tax.<br />
When they are sold Stamp Duty is charged.<br />
When you repair them or improve them Vat is charged.<br />
When you pay for heating Vat is charged.<br />
When you furnish them Vat is paid,<br />
Council tax is already charged on their value<br />
When you die Inheritance tax is paid.<br />
There is enough taxation on Houses already, all from income which has already been taxed.</p>
<p>If you want to get the building industry moving then reduce VAT and at the same time kill off the cash (black economy) cowboys who do not pay tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 23:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you say &quot;you should pay for what you use&quot; (in which case, how do you justify income tax??).

I personally think it is far better to pay for the VALUE of what you get than to be forced to pay towards the COST of what they decide to do with your money.

If the council does a bad job, house prices go down, taxes go down and vice versa. So the level of the tax in each area is dictated by how much people are prepared to pay for houses in that area, part of which relates to bricks and mortar but a large part to factors under the control of the council e.g. quality of local schools, crime levels, how clean and well lit the streets are, and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, you say &#8220;you should pay for what you use&#8221; (in which case, how do you justify income tax??).</p>
<p>I personally think it is far better to pay for the VALUE of what you get than to be forced to pay towards the COST of what they decide to do with your money.</p>
<p>If the council does a bad job, house prices go down, taxes go down and vice versa. So the level of the tax in each area is dictated by how much people are prepared to pay for houses in that area, part of which relates to bricks and mortar but a large part to factors under the control of the council e.g. quality of local schools, crime levels, how clean and well lit the streets are, and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Barber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Half the problem is that its never exactly sure WHO is in charge in some (not all) councils.  The elected councillors set policy and then instruct the non-elected county officers.  The non-elected county officers then do whatever the hell they want, follow central government dictat, or just make it up as they go along.

In my opinion there are way too many non-elected officers and staff and a huge proportion of them get paid too much, some Way WAY too much.  

I&#039;d like to see a massive cull of the numbers and the wage levels.  I&#039;d like to see them run like a private company would run its business, being tough on endless &#039;sick days&#039; and getting ridiculously overgenerous holidays and other forms of benefit.  Then I&#039;d like to see the elected councillors able to hold them to account immediately, without hassle and without the impossible morass of legislation.  

If they aren&#039;t doing the job as requested... warn them... then sack them if they don&#039;t improve.  No massive &#039;severance&#039; pay, just the standard minimum redundancy benefit.  And if the law doesn&#039;t allow this sort of dismissal for poor performance then change it so it does.  If a council can&#039;t control its officers and does not have the respect of its officers, its not going to be able to achieve squat.  As far as I&#039;ve seen, most officers have no respect (at best), or at worst are actually adversial with their elected &#039;bosses&#039; (I use the term lightly.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Half the problem is that its never exactly sure WHO is in charge in some (not all) councils.  The elected councillors set policy and then instruct the non-elected county officers.  The non-elected county officers then do whatever the hell they want, follow central government dictat, or just make it up as they go along.</p>
<p>In my opinion there are way too many non-elected officers and staff and a huge proportion of them get paid too much, some Way WAY too much.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see a massive cull of the numbers and the wage levels.  I&#8217;d like to see them run like a private company would run its business, being tough on endless &#8217;sick days&#8217; and getting ridiculously overgenerous holidays and other forms of benefit.  Then I&#8217;d like to see the elected councillors able to hold them to account immediately, without hassle and without the impossible morass of legislation.  </p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t doing the job as requested&#8230; warn them&#8230; then sack them if they don&#8217;t improve.  No massive &#8217;severance&#8217; pay, just the standard minimum redundancy benefit.  And if the law doesn&#8217;t allow this sort of dismissal for poor performance then change it so it does.  If a council can&#8217;t control its officers and does not have the respect of its officers, its not going to be able to achieve squat.  As far as I&#8217;ve seen, most officers have no respect (at best), or at worst are actually adversial with their elected &#8216;bosses&#8217; (I use the term lightly.)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Houses are bought of taxed income - I do not believe in double taxation - so no - the poll tax is the right way - pay for what you use!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Houses are bought of taxed income &#8211; I do not believe in double taxation &#8211; so no &#8211; the poll tax is the right way &#8211; pay for what you use!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on!Councils should only provide those basic  services which allow communities to function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on!Councils should only provide those basic  services which allow communities to function.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, John, not many other public sector schemes are funded (MPs pensions are a minor issue in the big scheme of things because there are only a few hundred MPs, ridiculously generous though their pensions are).

Other large unfunded schemes are teachers, NHS, police, fire, and armed services, so it&#039;s not really accurate to say that the civil service scheme is &#039;the large unfunded one&#039; - it&#039;s one of several large unfunded ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, John, not many other public sector schemes are funded (MPs pensions are a minor issue in the big scheme of things because there are only a few hundred MPs, ridiculously generous though their pensions are).</p>
<p>Other large unfunded schemes are teachers, NHS, police, fire, and armed services, so it&#8217;s not really accurate to say that the civil service scheme is &#8216;the large unfunded one&#8217; &#8211; it&#8217;s one of several large unfunded ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My long experience at senior levels in the private sector (no, not banks!) tells me that council officers must apply the same rigours as the most successful plc&#039;s; they cut out everything that doesn&#039;t add value from the customers&#039; perspective. 

So, councils must be forced to canvas and ACT ON council tax payers&#039; views on what&#039;s core; keep this; and what&#039;s peripheral - stop doing it now. 

It simply won&#039;t work to expect unaccountable vested interests to make decisions in the best interest of council tax payers - turkeys don&#039;t vote for Christmas!

This government has employed an additional three quarters of a million additional civil servants - breathtaking public sector inefficiency is rife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My long experience at senior levels in the private sector (no, not banks!) tells me that council officers must apply the same rigours as the most successful plc&#8217;s; they cut out everything that doesn&#8217;t add value from the customers&#8217; perspective. </p>
<p>So, councils must be forced to canvas and ACT ON council tax payers&#8217; views on what&#8217;s core; keep this; and what&#8217;s peripheral &#8211; stop doing it now. </p>
<p>It simply won&#8217;t work to expect unaccountable vested interests to make decisions in the best interest of council tax payers &#8211; turkeys don&#8217;t vote for Christmas!</p>
<p>This government has employed an additional three quarters of a million additional civil servants &#8211; breathtaking public sector inefficiency is rife.</p>
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		<title>By: HJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>HJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

An interesting piece.

However, there is one issue that you haven&#039;t mentioned. In recent years, one of the main reasons for Council Tax increases is the rising cost of local government employees&#039; final salary pensions. 

Local Government pensions differ from almost all other public sector pensions in that they are backed by an investment fund, i.e. they are funded. Because the projected cost of LG pensions has been increasing so fast, we have had to pay much more Council Tax in recent years in order to top up the funds so that they can meet future liabilities (whereas with the rest of the public sector the full horror of the cost won&#039;t be felt for decades).

Now we have a situation where not only is the cost of LG pensions rising fast, but the the value of stock market investments, on which the funds rely, is falling through the floor. This means that local government will be forced by the auditors to contribute much more still over the next few years to top up the funds. This can only come from Council Tax payers since the central government sure isn&#039;t going to give them more.

Would I be right to expect even larger council tax increases in the next few years for this reason alone?

reply: yes, quite right. Pensions escalation is one of the further reasons we need them to employ fewer people.
Otehr public sector schemes like MPs are also funded.The civil service one is the large unfunded one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>An interesting piece.</p>
<p>However, there is one issue that you haven&#8217;t mentioned. In recent years, one of the main reasons for Council Tax increases is the rising cost of local government employees&#8217; final salary pensions. </p>
<p>Local Government pensions differ from almost all other public sector pensions in that they are backed by an investment fund, i.e. they are funded. Because the projected cost of LG pensions has been increasing so fast, we have had to pay much more Council Tax in recent years in order to top up the funds so that they can meet future liabilities (whereas with the rest of the public sector the full horror of the cost won&#8217;t be felt for decades).</p>
<p>Now we have a situation where not only is the cost of LG pensions rising fast, but the the value of stock market investments, on which the funds rely, is falling through the floor. This means that local government will be forced by the auditors to contribute much more still over the next few years to top up the funds. This can only come from Council Tax payers since the central government sure isn&#8217;t going to give them more.</p>
<p>Would I be right to expect even larger council tax increases in the next few years for this reason alone?</p>
<p>reply: yes, quite right. Pensions escalation is one of the further reasons we need them to employ fewer people.<br />
Otehr public sector schemes like MPs are also funded.The civil service one is the large unfunded one.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with local authorities in general is that many have lost sight of why they exist for in the first place.  That is to provide services for the taxpayer.  It appears that they are more concerned with diversity issues or “eco-crimes” telling people how to live their lives. If they concentrated on the services people want, Council Tax would come down as a matter of course.  And as for the Chief Executive’s office, I don’t care how expensive it is adorned – it’s the getting the right incumbent that matters!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with local authorities in general is that many have lost sight of why they exist for in the first place.  That is to provide services for the taxpayer.  It appears that they are more concerned with diversity issues or “eco-crimes” telling people how to live their lives. If they concentrated on the services people want, Council Tax would come down as a matter of course.  And as for the Chief Executive’s office, I don’t care how expensive it is adorned – it’s the getting the right incumbent that matters!</p>
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