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	<title>Comments on: Christians, socialists and the culture of blame for the Credit crunch</title>
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		<title>By: Gordon Brown a ManicBeancounter? &#171; Manicbeancounter&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/03/09/christians-socialists-and-the-culture-of-blame-for-the-credit-crunch/#comment-35260</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Brown a ManicBeancounter? &#171; Manicbeancounter&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] wrote a posting on John Redwood’s blog that is relevant to approach we should be taking, especially when speaking a house of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morality depends on which words you support and which ones you don&#039;t.

This crises comes down to a few simple words:

Affordable Housing or Sub Prime Mortgage

Which words do you think were responsible?

Both phrases mean exactly the same - but one is morally right, while the other is morally wrong - to the righteous who rule the airways!

The question is, what will be the words which define the next crises?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morality depends on which words you support and which ones you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This crises comes down to a few simple words:</p>
<p>Affordable Housing or Sub Prime Mortgage</p>
<p>Which words do you think were responsible?</p>
<p>Both phrases mean exactly the same &#8211; but one is morally right, while the other is morally wrong &#8211; to the righteous who rule the airways!</p>
<p>The question is, what will be the words which define the next crises?</p>
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		<title>By: mike stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you posted this, I read on the Vatican blog that the Pope is looking hard at Islamic banking! Apparently it could be the answer. It is, we read, based on real principles......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you posted this, I read on the Vatican blog that the Pope is looking hard at Islamic banking! Apparently it could be the answer. It is, we read, based on real principles&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Dugdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Dugdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t hold much with christianity, but I rather liked Mike Stallard&#039;s comments.

It could be a good recipe for social cohesion and recovery from recession - be aware that none of us has all of the answers, and spare a thought for those brought low by this crisis, from the bloke next door to Fred Goodwin.  And Gordon Brown too?  Well, maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t hold much with christianity, but I rather liked Mike Stallard&#8217;s comments.</p>
<p>It could be a good recipe for social cohesion and recovery from recession &#8211; be aware that none of us has all of the answers, and spare a thought for those brought low by this crisis, from the bloke next door to Fred Goodwin.  And Gordon Brown too?  Well, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: ManicBeancounter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ManicBeancounter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite agree that some of the church leaders have rather shallow and misguided opinions of the current crisis. I believe there are much stronger analogies that can be drawn between the Bible and the current situation. 
1.	In Matthew 22, after Jesus says that the Greatest commandment is love of God and the second is love of neighbour as oneself, he then says “In these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets”.  For the financial system, what is most important is the general objectives of regulation, with the detail following from that.
2.	In Jesus’s conflict with authority was because he put love of neighbour before upholding the laws and cultures of the time (such as healing. In other words, where the detailed rules conflict with the major objectives, it is the regulations that must be amended. When it is a choice between maintaining a boom with low interest rates, or suffering a mild recession to avoid a bubble, then it is the mild recession that must be endured. 
3.	Jesus had strong words for the Scribes and the Pharisees (Matthew 23), the religious leaders of the time, who dogmatically upheld the complex laws and customs. Like the modern day financial regulators, they made sure that everyone ticked all the boxes, but lost sight of the purpose of the exercise. The spin doctors ensured that in was only others perceptions that were important and not substance.
4.	In the Old Testament, the importance is stressed of avoiding risk and stewardship of ones property. The authorities lost sight of this -  whether Government’s going on a spending spree or Central Banks in keeping interest rates too low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite agree that some of the church leaders have rather shallow and misguided opinions of the current crisis. I believe there are much stronger analogies that can be drawn between the Bible and the current situation.<br />
1.	In Matthew 22, after Jesus says that the Greatest commandment is love of God and the second is love of neighbour as oneself, he then says “In these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets”.  For the financial system, what is most important is the general objectives of regulation, with the detail following from that.<br />
2.	In Jesus’s conflict with authority was because he put love of neighbour before upholding the laws and cultures of the time (such as healing. In other words, where the detailed rules conflict with the major objectives, it is the regulations that must be amended. When it is a choice between maintaining a boom with low interest rates, or suffering a mild recession to avoid a bubble, then it is the mild recession that must be endured.<br />
3.	Jesus had strong words for the Scribes and the Pharisees (Matthew 23), the religious leaders of the time, who dogmatically upheld the complex laws and customs. Like the modern day financial regulators, they made sure that everyone ticked all the boxes, but lost sight of the purpose of the exercise. The spin doctors ensured that in was only others perceptions that were important and not substance.<br />
4.	In the Old Testament, the importance is stressed of avoiding risk and stewardship of ones property. The authorities lost sight of this &#8211;  whether Government’s going on a spending spree or Central Banks in keeping interest rates too low.</p>
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		<title>By: THE ESSEX BOYS</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE ESSEX BOYS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key tenets of Christianity are the offer of a helping hand, a willingness to turn the other cheek and the courage to say &#039;sorry&#039; for past mistakes and unkindnesses when it is justified and it helps.
You know what we&#039;re leading upto don&#039;t you!

Probably not many of JR&#039;s faithful following get to read The Sun but Trevor Kavanagh&#039;s Monday column always lifts the spirits of Brown baiters so here below is his take today on the &#039;Say Sorry&#039; issue...and remember this stuff is what the ordinary swing voter is more likely to read than much of the comment that appears on the blogs so avidly gobbled up by folks like us!

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Flying home from Washington last week, the PM turned on journalists who asked him to apologise for his part in the Great Recession. But once Gordon started saying sorry, where would he stop? Would he apologise for turning Britain into a giant welfare state, with 12million adults dependent on taxpayers, either for their salary or benefit? 


Is he sorry for opening the door to millions of unchecked migrants now in cut-throat competition for British jobs? 


Is he sorry for selling off our gold at rock-bottom prices and wrecking private pension savings while bloating the public sector’s. 


Will he apologise for refusing to build nuclear power stations? Or new prisons to hold those dangerous criminals now roaming free? 


Does he regret the failure of schools to educate our youngsters properly for the tough times ahead? 


No. After 12 years in charge, he can’t say sorry. 


That would be to confess Labour has misspent more than a decade in power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key tenets of Christianity are the offer of a helping hand, a willingness to turn the other cheek and the courage to say &#8217;sorry&#8217; for past mistakes and unkindnesses when it is justified and it helps.<br />
You know what we&#8217;re leading upto don&#8217;t you!</p>
<p>Probably not many of JR&#8217;s faithful following get to read The Sun but Trevor Kavanagh&#8217;s Monday column always lifts the spirits of Brown baiters so here below is his take today on the &#8216;Say Sorry&#8217; issue&#8230;and remember this stuff is what the ordinary swing voter is more likely to read than much of the comment that appears on the blogs so avidly gobbled up by folks like us!</p>
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<p>Flying home from Washington last week, the PM turned on journalists who asked him to apologise for his part in the Great Recession. But once Gordon started saying sorry, where would he stop? Would he apologise for turning Britain into a giant welfare state, with 12million adults dependent on taxpayers, either for their salary or benefit? </p>
<p>Is he sorry for opening the door to millions of unchecked migrants now in cut-throat competition for British jobs? </p>
<p>Is he sorry for selling off our gold at rock-bottom prices and wrecking private pension savings while bloating the public sector’s. </p>
<p>Will he apologise for refusing to build nuclear power stations? Or new prisons to hold those dangerous criminals now roaming free? </p>
<p>Does he regret the failure of schools to educate our youngsters properly for the tough times ahead? </p>
<p>No. After 12 years in charge, he can’t say sorry. </p>
<p>That would be to confess Labour has misspent more than a decade in power.</p>
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		<title>By: skooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>skooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure.  

I borrowed quite a lot of money c.2004, in addition to the borrowing I had on my first house, to fund the purchase of a house in Italy.  We now have 2 houses; both extraordinarily beautiful and in equally idyllic surroundings, which I hope will cushion them from the worst of the property downturn.  Yeah, well.  

Apart from the fact that I can remember saying, quite distinctly, to the lovely joe from the bank &#039;But are you not concerned about our future ability to pay?  What happens if interest rates go back to 15%?&#039; - his reply was what I wanted to hear. 

I took his money, for heaven&#039;s sake.  Mea culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure.  </p>
<p>I borrowed quite a lot of money c.2004, in addition to the borrowing I had on my first house, to fund the purchase of a house in Italy.  We now have 2 houses; both extraordinarily beautiful and in equally idyllic surroundings, which I hope will cushion them from the worst of the property downturn.  Yeah, well.  </p>
<p>Apart from the fact that I can remember saying, quite distinctly, to the lovely joe from the bank &#8216;But are you not concerned about our future ability to pay?  What happens if interest rates go back to 15%?&#8217; &#8211; his reply was what I wanted to hear. </p>
<p>I took his money, for heaven&#8217;s sake.  Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wheatley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wheatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consideration of who might be to blame seems to have ignored the credit rating agencies. Are not these the people who were still giving the Icelandic banks a top rating only days before their collapse?

Should not these people have been identifying the weakness of British banks&#039; credit worthiness long ago?

Is not risk inversely proportional to credit rating? If so, and the rating is correct, institutions seeking higher gains from higher risk investments would have their credit rating reduced, and this would provide a compensating mechanism without the need for government or a regulator to &quot;tell&quot; institutions what to do - the market would decide what was acceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consideration of who might be to blame seems to have ignored the credit rating agencies. Are not these the people who were still giving the Icelandic banks a top rating only days before their collapse?</p>
<p>Should not these people have been identifying the weakness of British banks&#8217; credit worthiness long ago?</p>
<p>Is not risk inversely proportional to credit rating? If so, and the rating is correct, institutions seeking higher gains from higher risk investments would have their credit rating reduced, and this would provide a compensating mechanism without the need for government or a regulator to &#8220;tell&#8221; institutions what to do &#8211; the market would decide what was acceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir,

It just shows how un-Biblical the thinking of modern Christians in Britain is. The Bible advocates charity and a totally free market, not Socialism. Socialism hates Christianity.

G. McCullough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>It just shows how un-Biblical the thinking of modern Christians in Britain is. The Bible advocates charity and a totally free market, not Socialism. Socialism hates Christianity.</p>
<p>G. McCullough</p>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mandleson being interviewed by Andrew Marr on Sunday 8th March.

Marr: &quot;.. Geroge Osborne says &#039;we weren&#039;t on the ball, nobody was on the ball&#039; ..&quot;

Marr: &quot; .. Actually ..&quot;

Mandleson: &quot; .. Well, it&#039;s rich coming from the Conservatives who opposed the very regulatory system that we put in place, err, err, err, over those years, lets not take any lessons from the conservatives ...&quot;

Now, my immediate thought when I heard that was; Ah yes, the Tories opposed the very regulatory system that has so comprehensively failed. 

Perhaps, Mandleson, if you weren&#039;t so preoccupied with saving Brown&#039;s neck and by association your own, you might be open to the possibility of actually learning something other than how to slither.

Marr, being a BBC Labourite droid, ignored the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mandleson being interviewed by Andrew Marr on Sunday 8th March.</p>
<p>Marr: &#8220;.. Geroge Osborne says &#8216;we weren&#8217;t on the ball, nobody was on the ball&#8217; ..&#8221;</p>
<p>Marr: &#8221; .. Actually ..&#8221;</p>
<p>Mandleson: &#8221; .. Well, it&#8217;s rich coming from the Conservatives who opposed the very regulatory system that we put in place, err, err, err, over those years, lets not take any lessons from the conservatives &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, my immediate thought when I heard that was; Ah yes, the Tories opposed the very regulatory system that has so comprehensively failed. </p>
<p>Perhaps, Mandleson, if you weren&#8217;t so preoccupied with saving Brown&#8217;s neck and by association your own, you might be open to the possibility of actually learning something other than how to slither.</p>
<p>Marr, being a BBC Labourite droid, ignored the point.</p>
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		<title>By: rugfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>rugfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 17:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sort of in the same vein here I guess, but not specifically in line with the topic, but I was wondering if anyone else bar me and a couple of bloggers who have not yet been &#039;blacked out&#039;, is going to mention the plummeting price of Sterling and the snake pit the FTSE fell into today?

I notice a distinct lack of political comment and a distinct &#039;tape on loop&#039; feeling from the media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sort of in the same vein here I guess, but not specifically in line with the topic, but I was wondering if anyone else bar me and a couple of bloggers who have not yet been &#8216;blacked out&#8217;, is going to mention the plummeting price of Sterling and the snake pit the FTSE fell into today?</p>
<p>I notice a distinct lack of political comment and a distinct &#8216;tape on loop&#8217; feeling from the media?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes 2 to tango ! Everyone is to blame the lenders and borrowers and FSA/Government to varying degrees - the prudent and cautious/ contarians have been mullahed! Robbing Peter to pay Paul springs to mind. My view , not advice please note as I am not authorised to do so, is to buy real assets over the next year or so gold, property etc using a 5 to 10 year fixed rate mortgage and hopefully watch my debt inflated away over the next 5 years or so. Cash is one place apart from liquidity reasons where  I would not be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes 2 to tango ! Everyone is to blame the lenders and borrowers and FSA/Government to varying degrees &#8211; the prudent and cautious/ contarians have been mullahed! Robbing Peter to pay Paul springs to mind. My view , not advice please note as I am not authorised to do so, is to buy real assets over the next year or so gold, property etc using a 5 to 10 year fixed rate mortgage and hopefully watch my debt inflated away over the next 5 years or so. Cash is one place apart from liquidity reasons where  I would not be!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denis Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 15:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, some people are more to blame than others, and that should be debated, but the immediate problem is that the government is getting us deeper and deeper into the mire with every passing day, and the Official Opposition is excruciatingly feeble in its opposition.

This is my suggestion, which I think is the only realistic way forward even though it would mean reversing some of the idiotic, politically motivated, false moves made by the government over past months.

At least it would not involve the government in

a) funding its deficit by telling the Bank of England to print more money, and 

b) putting the taxpayer on the hook for future liabilities running to potentially hundreds of billions of pounds.

A not-for-profit, state-owned, Resolution Bank, established by Act of Parliament, would:
 
1. Be owned by the Treasury.
 
2. Have an account with the Bank of England.
 
3. Be capitalised by a one trillion pound overdraft from the Bank of England - a PROPER use of &quot;Quantitative Easing&quot;.
 
4. Have senior managers appointed by the Treasury, in consultation with the Bank and the FSA.
 
5. Have other staff seconded from and paid by its clients, the commercial banks, in each case to clear up the mess the client has created. 
 
6. Have a very closely worded contract with each of its clients, the commercial banks which have got themselves into trouble through their own stupidity.
 
7. Have the remit of buying the &quot;toxic assets&quot; from each of its clients, at the minimum price compatible with the survival of the client as a fully functioning commercial bank, and in each case then allowing the seconded staff to gradually sort through their employer&#039;s mess, in some cases no doubt their own personal mess, and dispose of the &quot;toxic assets&quot; for the best prices they can obtain.
 
8. Return to each client any surplus over the price the Resolution Bank paid for its toxic assets, less costs.
 
9. And/or, claim back from that client any shortfall, plus costs, to be paid over a period of some years if necessary, with interest.
 
10. Be wound up when its job had been completed, and it had cleared its overdraft from the Bank of England, down to the last pound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, some people are more to blame than others, and that should be debated, but the immediate problem is that the government is getting us deeper and deeper into the mire with every passing day, and the Official Opposition is excruciatingly feeble in its opposition.</p>
<p>This is my suggestion, which I think is the only realistic way forward even though it would mean reversing some of the idiotic, politically motivated, false moves made by the government over past months.</p>
<p>At least it would not involve the government in</p>
<p>a) funding its deficit by telling the Bank of England to print more money, and </p>
<p>b) putting the taxpayer on the hook for future liabilities running to potentially hundreds of billions of pounds.</p>
<p>A not-for-profit, state-owned, Resolution Bank, established by Act of Parliament, would:</p>
<p>1. Be owned by the Treasury.</p>
<p>2. Have an account with the Bank of England.</p>
<p>3. Be capitalised by a one trillion pound overdraft from the Bank of England &#8211; a PROPER use of &#8220;Quantitative Easing&#8221;.</p>
<p>4. Have senior managers appointed by the Treasury, in consultation with the Bank and the FSA.</p>
<p>5. Have other staff seconded from and paid by its clients, the commercial banks, in each case to clear up the mess the client has created. </p>
<p>6. Have a very closely worded contract with each of its clients, the commercial banks which have got themselves into trouble through their own stupidity.</p>
<p>7. Have the remit of buying the &#8220;toxic assets&#8221; from each of its clients, at the minimum price compatible with the survival of the client as a fully functioning commercial bank, and in each case then allowing the seconded staff to gradually sort through their employer&#8217;s mess, in some cases no doubt their own personal mess, and dispose of the &#8220;toxic assets&#8221; for the best prices they can obtain.</p>
<p>8. Return to each client any surplus over the price the Resolution Bank paid for its toxic assets, less costs.</p>
<p>9. And/or, claim back from that client any shortfall, plus costs, to be paid over a period of some years if necessary, with interest.</p>
<p>10. Be wound up when its job had been completed, and it had cleared its overdraft from the Bank of England, down to the last pound.</p>
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		<title>By: On air: Don&#8217;t blame bankers - its our fault &#171; BBC World Have Your Say</title>
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		<dc:creator>On air: Don&#8217;t blame bankers - its our fault &#171; BBC World Have Your Say</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] MP John Redwood has reacted to the speech. In his blog he says: “It’s a very one sided morality which condemns lending too much but does not condemn [...]</description>
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		<title>By: APL</title>
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		<dc:creator>APL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR: &quot;If the bankers who did the lending were immoral, surely the governments and Regulators who allowed them to do so by signing off their balance sheets and business plans were also wrong?&quot;

Government, Regulators and those politicians who spent the last ten years bickering, should &#039;we&#039; be the nasty party, should we be &#039;more caring&#039;, the triumph of style [not much of that either] over substance. FFS [shorthand for an expletive].

As there are sins of commission, so too are there sins of ommission.

But let&#039;s not forget, those folk in control of the &#039;independent&#039; bank of England wanted interest rates low, encouraged people to borrow, and I recall harrangued the banks to lend to the &#039;disadvantaged&#039;. That is, they wanted banks to give savers money to people who haven&#039;t a cats chance in hell of paying it back.

Now they are busy destroying the savings of responsible yes, prudent, folk. Next pensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR: &#8220;If the bankers who did the lending were immoral, surely the governments and Regulators who allowed them to do so by signing off their balance sheets and business plans were also wrong?&#8221;</p>
<p>Government, Regulators and those politicians who spent the last ten years bickering, should &#8216;we&#8217; be the nasty party, should we be &#8216;more caring&#8217;, the triumph of style [not much of that either] over substance. FFS [shorthand for an expletive].</p>
<p>As there are sins of commission, so too are there sins of ommission.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not forget, those folk in control of the &#8216;independent&#8217; bank of England wanted interest rates low, encouraged people to borrow, and I recall harrangued the banks to lend to the &#8216;disadvantaged&#8217;. That is, they wanted banks to give savers money to people who haven&#8217;t a cats chance in hell of paying it back.</p>
<p>Now they are busy destroying the savings of responsible yes, prudent, folk. Next pensions.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call it what you will, but what seems to have been lost in this World is personal responsibility and integrity.

Unfortunately some well known and well positioned and well paid Businessmen, Politicians, Sportsmen,and so called Celebrities, have shown an excellent example of personal greed and excess, and become some sort of Public Icon in the process.

The sad fact is that some of the Media has sought on occassion to promote these people and their lifestyle as if it is normal.

Those people doing Voluntary Charitable work (and there are millions who do) get little mention. 
Neither do those who run their personal life without problems (the majority)

The problem we have as a Society is that those people with problems are now growing fast, whilst those who had no problems in the past are shrinking.

The Governments Policies are not helping those who have always in the past been responsible, so it is no surprise that at the moment we are going downhill as a Nation.

The real question is who will stop it, how will they stop it, and when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call it what you will, but what seems to have been lost in this World is personal responsibility and integrity.</p>
<p>Unfortunately some well known and well positioned and well paid Businessmen, Politicians, Sportsmen,and so called Celebrities, have shown an excellent example of personal greed and excess, and become some sort of Public Icon in the process.</p>
<p>The sad fact is that some of the Media has sought on occassion to promote these people and their lifestyle as if it is normal.</p>
<p>Those people doing Voluntary Charitable work (and there are millions who do) get little mention.<br />
Neither do those who run their personal life without problems (the majority)</p>
<p>The problem we have as a Society is that those people with problems are now growing fast, whilst those who had no problems in the past are shrinking.</p>
<p>The Governments Policies are not helping those who have always in the past been responsible, so it is no surprise that at the moment we are going downhill as a Nation.</p>
<p>The real question is who will stop it, how will they stop it, and when.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If morality enters into it it was all those who talked about a &quot;post industrial society&quot; where we would all stay rich buying &amp; selling houses while all the nasty productive jobs went to China.

It was also stupid.

Yet how many of the &quot;moralists&quot; in government who used the &quot;post industrial&quot; term have even yet said we should support productive industry by cutting the regulations, allowing us to have a world class electricity system or getting rid of much of the government parasitism that sucks up 50% of the economy.

I object to parasites claiming moral superiority (&amp; as an atheist think that includes bishops).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If morality enters into it it was all those who talked about a &#8220;post industrial society&#8221; where we would all stay rich buying &amp; selling houses while all the nasty productive jobs went to China.</p>
<p>It was also stupid.</p>
<p>Yet how many of the &#8220;moralists&#8221; in government who used the &#8220;post industrial&#8221; term have even yet said we should support productive industry by cutting the regulations, allowing us to have a world class electricity system or getting rid of much of the government parasitism that sucks up 50% of the economy.</p>
<p>I object to parasites claiming moral superiority (&amp; as an atheist think that includes bishops).</p>
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		<title>By: chris southern</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris southern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their are a few people that are using this current situation to not only make themselves look attractive to others and thus gain some financial support (the CoE needs money currently) but also to cosy up to the current goverment and protect positions within the Lords.

it&#039;s populist politics, pure and simple, and they don&#039;t even realize the public sees right through it.
even uneducated people are far more intelligent when it comes to politics thanks to the last few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their are a few people that are using this current situation to not only make themselves look attractive to others and thus gain some financial support (the CoE needs money currently) but also to cosy up to the current goverment and protect positions within the Lords.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s populist politics, pure and simple, and they don&#8217;t even realize the public sees right through it.<br />
even uneducated people are far more intelligent when it comes to politics thanks to the last few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bazman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bazman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bankers lending money that is not theirs to lend with no personal financial risk to themselves and everything to gain, makes the lender more blameworthy than the borrower. Strikes me that these people and their supporters are getting off the hook Colin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bankers lending money that is not theirs to lend with no personal financial risk to themselves and everything to gain, makes the lender more blameworthy than the borrower. Strikes me that these people and their supporters are getting off the hook Colin.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on</description>
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