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	<description>Conservative Party Candidate for Wokingham</description>
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		<title>By: Breaker</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/try-debating-public-spending-intelligently-for-a-change/#comment-40259</link>
		<dc:creator>Breaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies for the late reply.

That was as far as I got with it, too.  There&#039;s a reference in Hansard as well that claims a ridiculously low figure (guess the party affiliation of the speaker), but that&#039;s it as far as UK law is concerned.

I wonder why no one is really doing any digging on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for the late reply.</p>
<p>That was as far as I got with it, too.  There&#8217;s a reference in Hansard as well that claims a ridiculously low figure (guess the party affiliation of the speaker), but that&#8217;s it as far as UK law is concerned.</p>
<p>I wonder why no one is really doing any digging on this?</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your comments, and have blogged similar before
&quot;turkeys do not vote for Xmas&quot;. 
its Gordons plot to make over half of the population dependent upon the government, so that they will continue to vote for them as they cannot afford not to..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your comments, and have blogged similar before<br />
&#8220;turkeys do not vote for Xmas&#8221;.<br />
its Gordons plot to make over half of the population dependent upon the government, so that they will continue to vote for them as they cannot afford not to..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only source I have is Dan Hannan (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2009/04/15/eightyfive_per_cent_of_our_laws_come_from_brussels)

The statistic comes from Germany, where they did a comprehensive survey of all laws passed since 1998. He assumes that it will be roughly similar for Britain, but challenges ministers to produce their own figures if they disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only source I have is Dan Hannan (<a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2009/04/15/eightyfive_per_cent_of_our_laws_come_from_brussels" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/daniel_hannan/blog/2009/04/15/eightyfive_per_cent_of_our_laws_come_from_brussels</a>)</p>
<p>The statistic comes from Germany, where they did a comprehensive survey of all laws passed since 1998. He assumes that it will be roughly similar for Britain, but challenges ministers to produce their own figures if they disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Peirson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Peirson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quangos cost us £100 Billion per year.
The EU costs us £10 Billion per year
The Two illegal wars cost us arounf $5 Billion Per Year.

Coin and Print our own money FREE instead of Borrowing it, no Govt Debt  (currently over £1Trillion, what&#039;s the Interest on that I wonder )

All the complexity in taxation costs us Billions more, Eliminate Taxation on anything but Purchases, that way, only vendors need keep records, tax receipts and fill in Tax forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quangos cost us £100 Billion per year.<br />
The EU costs us £10 Billion per year<br />
The Two illegal wars cost us arounf $5 Billion Per Year.</p>
<p>Coin and Print our own money FREE instead of Borrowing it, no Govt Debt  (currently over £1Trillion, what&#8217;s the Interest on that I wonder )</p>
<p>All the complexity in taxation costs us Billions more, Eliminate Taxation on anything but Purchases, that way, only vendors need keep records, tax receipts and fill in Tax forms.</p>
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		<title>By: noizeboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>noizeboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s start with a 20% cut in MP&#039;s wages and allowances, all special advisors paid by the party not the taxpayer, 15% cut in public sector pay (supervisors and above).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s start with a 20% cut in MP&#8217;s wages and allowances, all special advisors paid by the party not the taxpayer, 15% cut in public sector pay (supervisors and above).</p>
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		<title>By: Breaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,
Do you have a substantiated link to that quote of &quot;15%&quot; please?

I have argued with others over the origin of this; I would love to find a definitive source (Hansard / EU minutes etc) that actually goes through the facts rather than just repeating this &quot;statistic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,<br />
Do you have a substantiated link to that quote of &#8220;15%&#8221; please?</p>
<p>I have argued with others over the origin of this; I would love to find a definitive source (Hansard / EU minutes etc) that actually goes through the facts rather than just repeating this &#8220;statistic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: rik</title>
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		<dc:creator>rik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could not agree more. The conservative party need to take this argument to the people by putting together solid examples of where the cuts can be made and how much money would be saved. As you say the labour lie has to be broken. And the only way to do this is using exactly the argument you have put forward!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could not agree more. The conservative party need to take this argument to the people by putting together solid examples of where the cuts can be made and how much money would be saved. As you say the labour lie has to be broken. And the only way to do this is using exactly the argument you have put forward!</p>
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		<title>By: ManicBeancounter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ManicBeancounter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
 I can sympathise with you. Having started my beancounting career in the NHS I understand that there are many hardworking people inthe public sector on quite low rates of pay. One of the reasons that I left the public sector was being in a job that I could have done in two days a week, whilst colleagues were staying late to keep up. Further, many of the over-worked were doing roles that had little effect on the overall effectiveness of the organisation.
 I know some teachers who are up late at night marking and filling out forms. The same goes for police officers and social workers. The spend much of their time on non-productive tasks. Teachers teaching, the police in upholding the law and the social workers in helping the vulnerable.
 The problem with this government is that much of the extra expenditure has gone on reducing productivity. It is sole destroying for those who wish to make a difference. It encourages those who enjoy meetings, composing long reports and thinking up new ways to make life difficult for others. This are the highly paid jobs that should done away with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
 I can sympathise with you. Having started my beancounting career in the NHS I understand that there are many hardworking people inthe public sector on quite low rates of pay. One of the reasons that I left the public sector was being in a job that I could have done in two days a week, whilst colleagues were staying late to keep up. Further, many of the over-worked were doing roles that had little effect on the overall effectiveness of the organisation.<br />
 I know some teachers who are up late at night marking and filling out forms. The same goes for police officers and social workers. The spend much of their time on non-productive tasks. Teachers teaching, the police in upholding the law and the social workers in helping the vulnerable.<br />
 The problem with this government is that much of the extra expenditure has gone on reducing productivity. It is sole destroying for those who wish to make a difference. It encourages those who enjoy meetings, composing long reports and thinking up new ways to make life difficult for others. This are the highly paid jobs that should done away with.</p>
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		<title>By: ManicBeancounter</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/04/20/try-debating-public-spending-intelligently-for-a-change/#comment-36449</link>
		<dc:creator>ManicBeancounter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Redwood, You are right to say “Let’s apply some of the efficiency driving logic from the private sector to the public sector.”  But this requires two things
-	A change in language. From spending “whatever it takes”, to spending to best serve the interests of society. From constantly changing the rules, to changing from one static structure to another, to enabling diverse and dynamic structures. 
-	Changing the emphasis of government, from being an employer with monolithic structures, to a funder &amp; enabler of diverse organizations, who exist to provide services to the public.
The private sector learnt in the 1980s that conglomerates generally destroyed value through becoming too bureaucratic, and having a lack of focus.  The modern state has this issue, multiplied a hundred fold, along with conflicts of interest (self-regulation; political spin v. serving the best interests of the country; union pressure (&amp; other interest groups) v. public interest; winning elections v. the long-term financial health of the nation etc.) 

Therefore to change the culture
-	Start with MPs expenses. The general principle is that MPs are elected representatives, there to serve the public. It is legitimate for the taxpayer to meet those costs to enable an MP to carry out these duties, but not to enrich that individual whilst in public office.
-	With Education – create a voucher system and make all schools autonomous. Allow for diversified examinations and syllabuses.
-	With Health Care. Introduce vouchers to encourage various types of healthcare provider. Etc.
-	All activities (and regulations) to be assessed for costs as well as benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Redwood, You are right to say “Let’s apply some of the efficiency driving logic from the private sector to the public sector.”  But this requires two things<br />
-	A change in language. From spending “whatever it takes”, to spending to best serve the interests of society. From constantly changing the rules, to changing from one static structure to another, to enabling diverse and dynamic structures.<br />
-	Changing the emphasis of government, from being an employer with monolithic structures, to a funder &amp; enabler of diverse organizations, who exist to provide services to the public.<br />
The private sector learnt in the 1980s that conglomerates generally destroyed value through becoming too bureaucratic, and having a lack of focus.  The modern state has this issue, multiplied a hundred fold, along with conflicts of interest (self-regulation; political spin v. serving the best interests of the country; union pressure (&amp; other interest groups) v. public interest; winning elections v. the long-term financial health of the nation etc.) </p>
<p>Therefore to change the culture<br />
-	Start with MPs expenses. The general principle is that MPs are elected representatives, there to serve the public. It is legitimate for the taxpayer to meet those costs to enable an MP to carry out these duties, but not to enrich that individual whilst in public office.<br />
-	With Education – create a voucher system and make all schools autonomous. Allow for diversified examinations and syllabuses.<br />
-	With Health Care. Introduce vouchers to encourage various types of healthcare provider. Etc.<br />
-	All activities (and regulations) to be assessed for costs as well as benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RayD. You dont have to take people out of work, you have to produce a culture (just as in private industry) of retraining people into the &#039; core activities&#039;. eg. reduce the non productive workers in the office at the back, and move them or employ more productive ones onto the front line (the police force is a good example). It&#039;s not rocket science it is happening in succesful busines&#039;s all the time now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RayD. You dont have to take people out of work, you have to produce a culture (just as in private industry) of retraining people into the &#8216; core activities&#8217;. eg. reduce the non productive workers in the office at the back, and move them or employ more productive ones onto the front line (the police force is a good example). It&#8217;s not rocket science it is happening in succesful busines&#8217;s all the time now.</p>
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		<title>By: Frustrated taxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frustrated taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The sad fact is that many people in these jobs were also gaining tax credits as well, and whilst this is not a problem if that is the chosen system, it once again hides Government subsidy and expenditure.&quot; - its not just a sad fact it is part of the socialist scheme for creating the dependency culture - you have a state funded job but it does not pay a reasonable living wage so the Government top it up through tax credits. Bingo you have a dedicated set of client voters convinced that the only way to survive is to vote Labour.

The next administration must start to dismantled the dependency culture that has steadily increased over the last 12 years. Yes we should have a safety net but one aimed at turning people round, back into useful roles in society - depending on circumstances some may be paid and some may be &#039;voluntary&#039; - but no one should simply be paid to site at home. Self respect comes from having something to do every day not vegitating in front of the TV with a packet of cigarettes and the latest special offer from the off licence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sad fact is that many people in these jobs were also gaining tax credits as well, and whilst this is not a problem if that is the chosen system, it once again hides Government subsidy and expenditure.&#8221; &#8211; its not just a sad fact it is part of the socialist scheme for creating the dependency culture &#8211; you have a state funded job but it does not pay a reasonable living wage so the Government top it up through tax credits. Bingo you have a dedicated set of client voters convinced that the only way to survive is to vote Labour.</p>
<p>The next administration must start to dismantled the dependency culture that has steadily increased over the last 12 years. Yes we should have a safety net but one aimed at turning people round, back into useful roles in society &#8211; depending on circumstances some may be paid and some may be &#8216;voluntary&#8217; &#8211; but no one should simply be paid to site at home. Self respect comes from having something to do every day not vegitating in front of the TV with a packet of cigarettes and the latest special offer from the off licence.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get pretty angry when I see people once again bashing the civil service pension. If any of you had any idea at all just how low-paid many of them are, you&#039;d be a little less ferocious in your attitude. I gave up my science job many years ago for family responsibilities. For numerous reasons I was never able to go back. My pay at the time of leaving was just £9500 a year, after 17 years work. I dont expect to get a &quot;gold-plated&quot; pension from that sort of salary, irrespective of whether its index-linked, inflation-proof, fool-proof or what.  Please try and remember that the term &quot;civil servants&quot; encompasses a very wide range of people on an enormous range of salaries.....from the obscene to the pitiful.
By all means brow-beat the top-end if you must, but dont tar us all with the same brush. Its not my fault that my pension is unfunded.....I can&#039;t do anything about it now, I&#039;m too old. In essence, by the time this government has finished messing with the country&#039;s finances, my pension wont be worth anything anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get pretty angry when I see people once again bashing the civil service pension. If any of you had any idea at all just how low-paid many of them are, you&#8217;d be a little less ferocious in your attitude. I gave up my science job many years ago for family responsibilities. For numerous reasons I was never able to go back. My pay at the time of leaving was just £9500 a year, after 17 years work. I dont expect to get a &#8220;gold-plated&#8221; pension from that sort of salary, irrespective of whether its index-linked, inflation-proof, fool-proof or what.  Please try and remember that the term &#8220;civil servants&#8221; encompasses a very wide range of people on an enormous range of salaries&#8230;..from the obscene to the pitiful.<br />
By all means brow-beat the top-end if you must, but dont tar us all with the same brush. Its not my fault that my pension is unfunded&#8230;..I can&#8217;t do anything about it now, I&#8217;m too old. In essence, by the time this government has finished messing with the country&#8217;s finances, my pension wont be worth anything anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: FatBigot</title>
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		<dc:creator>FatBigot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe two separate points are being conflated here.  

&quot;Efficiency&quot; is all about doing what you do now but doing it at lower cost; there is obviously scope for this in the public sector.  

On the other hand such measures as scrapping the ID card fiasco and scrapping regional government are not efficiency savings, they are about reducing the functions of the State.  

Substantial inroads into government debt can only be made by reducing the number of things government does, not by tinkering with the way it does them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe two separate points are being conflated here.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Efficiency&#8221; is all about doing what you do now but doing it at lower cost; there is obviously scope for this in the public sector.  </p>
<p>On the other hand such measures as scrapping the ID card fiasco and scrapping regional government are not efficiency savings, they are about reducing the functions of the State.  </p>
<p>Substantial inroads into government debt can only be made by reducing the number of things government does, not by tinkering with the way it does them.</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dennis
Like your idea of a debate of ideas etc 

So here goes

Both Business and The Country have costs which have to be met.
Business use raw materials which is a necessary cost.
We could say the raw materials of the Country are its Citizens another neccessary cost.
Business has overheads which are a variable cost
Citizens Benefits/Pensions are a variable cost to the Country.
Business has income from sales.
The Country has Taxpayers and Business Tax for income.
Business aims to work efficiently to make a profit to reinvest.
The Country should aim to balance the books and use a surplus to enhance their citizens way of life (better police, Nhs, eductation etc) or to reduce/balance the costs to those who contribute.
Business try to run as lean a management team as possible to reduce overheads.
The Country should do the same, and not have over complicated systems which are more expensive to run than neccessary.

On occassion you do get a reduction in the number of citizens with either war or illness, perhaps even the odd government toxic leak from a research laboratory, but this usually effects those who are productive, and so it does not help.

We could also get out of balance by having too many citizens arriving (perhaps uncontrolled)  increasing the population at large (raw material cost), especially if they do not work (produce tax) as well.

Clearly this is very simplistic and I would agree that the solution is rather more complicated than above, but think the basis is not far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dennis<br />
Like your idea of a debate of ideas etc </p>
<p>So here goes</p>
<p>Both Business and The Country have costs which have to be met.<br />
Business use raw materials which is a necessary cost.<br />
We could say the raw materials of the Country are its Citizens another neccessary cost.<br />
Business has overheads which are a variable cost<br />
Citizens Benefits/Pensions are a variable cost to the Country.<br />
Business has income from sales.<br />
The Country has Taxpayers and Business Tax for income.<br />
Business aims to work efficiently to make a profit to reinvest.<br />
The Country should aim to balance the books and use a surplus to enhance their citizens way of life (better police, Nhs, eductation etc) or to reduce/balance the costs to those who contribute.<br />
Business try to run as lean a management team as possible to reduce overheads.<br />
The Country should do the same, and not have over complicated systems which are more expensive to run than neccessary.</p>
<p>On occassion you do get a reduction in the number of citizens with either war or illness, perhaps even the odd government toxic leak from a research laboratory, but this usually effects those who are productive, and so it does not help.</p>
<p>We could also get out of balance by having too many citizens arriving (perhaps uncontrolled)  increasing the population at large (raw material cost), especially if they do not work (produce tax) as well.</p>
<p>Clearly this is very simplistic and I would agree that the solution is rather more complicated than above, but think the basis is not far away.</p>
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		<title>By: RayD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RayD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is though, public spending is largely jobs. To cut spending you have to sack people. This is difficult when unemployment is rising, and why the most likely thing to happen is a freeze and let it inflate away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is though, public spending is largely jobs. To cut spending you have to sack people. This is difficult when unemployment is rising, and why the most likely thing to happen is a freeze and let it inflate away.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my idea. All the pain is being borne by the private sector. Let&#039;s share it around a little. Follow Ireland with a substantial hike in the pensions contributions of all public sector employees on, say, more than £20K/year. Something like 7% to 10% should do. 

But let&#039;s not stop there, that&#039;s far too timid. Let&#039;s TRULY peg all existing public sector pensions to RPI. In other words, use the RPI average over the year, and if it is negative (&quot;deflation&quot;) then CUT pensions by that amount. 

The current public sector fantasy world of index-linked, unfunded pensions must be completely overhauled. Savers are hurting. Pensioners are hurting. Private sector employees are hurting. It&#039;s time for civil servants to accept their fair share of the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my idea. All the pain is being borne by the private sector. Let&#8217;s share it around a little. Follow Ireland with a substantial hike in the pensions contributions of all public sector employees on, say, more than £20K/year. Something like 7% to 10% should do. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s not stop there, that&#8217;s far too timid. Let&#8217;s TRULY peg all existing public sector pensions to RPI. In other words, use the RPI average over the year, and if it is negative (&#8220;deflation&#8221;) then CUT pensions by that amount. </p>
<p>The current public sector fantasy world of index-linked, unfunded pensions must be completely overhauled. Savers are hurting. Pensioners are hurting. Private sector employees are hurting. It&#8217;s time for civil servants to accept their fair share of the pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Hysteria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hysteria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed - I think the main thing about bringing MPs onto the same basis as everyone else is it keeps them &quot;grounded&quot; in what impact the laws they pass have. Given that so few MPs now have experience outside the House - other than in the public sector - one of the few ways they can get any realisation of how &quot;ordinary&quot; folk live is to have to get by under the same rules as the general populace.

I think term limits, open primaries and more independents would help too but that&#039;s the subject of a separate rant....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed &#8211; I think the main thing about bringing MPs onto the same basis as everyone else is it keeps them &#8220;grounded&#8221; in what impact the laws they pass have. Given that so few MPs now have experience outside the House &#8211; other than in the public sector &#8211; one of the few ways they can get any realisation of how &#8220;ordinary&#8221; folk live is to have to get by under the same rules as the general populace.</p>
<p>I think term limits, open primaries and more independents would help too but that&#8217;s the subject of a separate rant&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip Parkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re absolutely right John. I do despair, though, at how timid our party is at expressing these views and I&#039;m not convinced that we&#039;ll really tackle the problem when we get into power. The government and the media have managed to virtually close down political debate on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right John. I do despair, though, at how timid our party is at expressing these views and I&#8217;m not convinced that we&#8217;ll really tackle the problem when we get into power. The government and the media have managed to virtually close down political debate on this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &#039;leave the EU&#039;?

A simple cost-cutting measure that will save both the government money (£9bn a year at last estimates) and the public money (for starters, the CAP adds around £400 a year to the average families food bill).

We don&#039;t want to be in the EU anymore (55% of Britains want to leave it - BBC Poll) and I&#039;m fairly sure the EU would be much happier without our eurosceptic MEPs ruining the Brussels consensus.

And the best bit, we get to make 100% of our own laws, rather than the 15% we currently do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8216;leave the EU&#8217;?</p>
<p>A simple cost-cutting measure that will save both the government money (£9bn a year at last estimates) and the public money (for starters, the CAP adds around £400 a year to the average families food bill).</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want to be in the EU anymore (55% of Britains want to leave it &#8211; BBC Poll) and I&#8217;m fairly sure the EU would be much happier without our eurosceptic MEPs ruining the Brussels consensus.</p>
<p>And the best bit, we get to make 100% of our own laws, rather than the 15% we currently do.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Business does more for less every day.  That&#039;s what happens when you are in a competitive market with demanding customers.  Governments - of any flavour - and especially the permanent civil service can never do this. Which is why countries with small governments prosper and those with big government don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business does more for less every day.  That&#8217;s what happens when you are in a competitive market with demanding customers.  Governments &#8211; of any flavour &#8211; and especially the permanent civil service can never do this. Which is why countries with small governments prosper and those with big government don&#8217;t.</p>
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