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		<title>By: Alex Sabine</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45809</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Sabine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dire state of the public finances clearly necessitates public spending cuts, as even the most delusional peddler of the puerile &#039;investment vs cuts&#039; line (the PM) has now acknowledged.

However, the timing, scale and nature of the cuts - and to what extent they need to be supplemented by revenue-raising measures (asset sales and/or tax rises) - are still highly debatable.

I personally believe that at least 80% of the fiscal repair work ought to be on the spending side, with up to 20% coming from higher revenues (not necessarily tax RATES - in fact in some cases where there is a realistic prospect of raising revenue by cutting rates this should be considered).

I also think the fiscal tightening pencilled-in by the government is likely to be insufficient, and is certainly imprudent given the scale of the problem.

In terms of the nature of the cuts, you&#039;ve made some sensible suggestions but I do not think economies of one form or another (eg scrapping quangos, RDAs, SHAs etc) will be enough: bureaucracy has a habit of reappearing in new forms, and this empire-building will continue until the culture and incentives that foster it change. Previous attempts at realising efficiency savings from the centre have invariably had disappointing results.

Nor will programme cuts on easy targets like ID cards and Trident do much to reduce the government&#039;s annual overdraft.

To be credible, politicians will have to grasp the nettle on issues like overhauling public sector pensions, the unnecessarily wide scope of tax credits and raising the retirement age across the board.

The question of the timing of the cuts is more problematic in my view. You can certainly argue that it is politically convenient and morally indefensible to defer the &#039;pain&#039; until after the general election.

But it may just be economically justified given the continued fragility of the economy.

Whatever you think of the effectiveness of the recent &#039;fiscal stimulus&#039; (which, let&#039;s face it, was puny both by international standards and in comparison to the UK monetary stimulus), I&#039;m not sure an aggressively pro-cyclical fiscal policy is the answer.

I still think the sensible approach is to aim for balanced budgets over an economic cycle, allowing for cyclical swings into surplus and deficit.

The big problem about Gordon Brown&#039;s fiscal policy in 2001-08 was not that it was too Keynesian but that he ran big deficits while the economy was booming - ie it was pro-cyclical rather than counter-cyclical. The &#039;automatic stabilisers&#039; were not working but were being subverted by excessive spending that was not covered by revenue (and much of the revenue that did come flooding in was fuelled by the overheated financial sector and housing market).

The problem with trying to correct the huge structural deficit while the economy is still on its knees is simply that it may well turn out to be counter-productive.

If lower public spending does not free up resources for the private sector, but simply depresses aggregate demand, the resulting higher unemployment will wreck the fiscal arithmetic as well as delaying the recovery.

I&#039;m not saying this definitely will happen; there are other possible scenarios. But it is clearly a danger.

For that reason I would prefer a phasing-in of the cuts so that they become progressively larger as the economy recovers. This was the approach that was successfully adopted in 1993-95 (albeit with tax increases playing a bigger role that time).

Of course it is essential to keep the confidence of the markets. But the key to this is the credibility of the long-term fiscal strategy, not whether the cuts begin today or in 6 months&#039; time.

You claim: &quot;History shows that in the past the Labour IMF cuts, the Conservative 1981 budget, and the Conservative strict controls on public spending in the late 1990s were all important parts of the recovery process. Far from preventing recovery, controlling the public budgets aided the recovery.&quot;

I&#039;m not convinced about the cause and effect here.

For starters, one key difference in 1975-76 and 1981 was the need to rein in runaway inflation as the precondition for any durable recovery. That clearly doesn&#039;t apply this time, though inflation may re-emerge as a danger in future.

Secondly, the 1981 budget was a clever foil designed to facilitate lower interest rates and exchange rate without giving the markets the idea that the government was going soft on inflation. So while fiscal policy was tightened sharply, monetary policy was eased over the following years and a large devaluation in sterling fuelled the recovery in the mid-1980s. There is clearly little scope for a further monetary stimulus this time to offset a fiscal clawback.

The other point is that the means of fiscal tightening adopted in the 1981 budget was across-the-board direct and indirect tax increases - and indirect tax increases also played a big role in the 1993-97 fiscal consolidation. So, logically, if you believe fiscal policy at these times actually aided the recovery then you believe that tax increases, as well as spending cuts, can be introduced in the trough of a recession without fear of deepening it. I&#039;m not so confident...

The reality is that in 1993-2000 (perhaps the most successful recent example of how to correct a deficit), the spending controls and tax rises were largely deferred until the recovery was clearly underway. The main reason the economy recovered in 1993-95 was not fiscal policy, but the lower interest rates and devaluation that followed our exit from the ERM.

Clearly, the corollary of my argument that it&#039;s best to delay spending cuts is that they need to be ambitious and sustained once they take effect, and spending may well have to be reduced in cash terms (not just as a proportion of GDP) even when the economy is growing at trend or above-trend rates. I suspect British politicians will find that quite a challenge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dire state of the public finances clearly necessitates public spending cuts, as even the most delusional peddler of the puerile &#8216;investment vs cuts&#8217; line (the PM) has now acknowledged.</p>
<p>However, the timing, scale and nature of the cuts &#8211; and to what extent they need to be supplemented by revenue-raising measures (asset sales and/or tax rises) &#8211; are still highly debatable.</p>
<p>I personally believe that at least 80% of the fiscal repair work ought to be on the spending side, with up to 20% coming from higher revenues (not necessarily tax RATES &#8211; in fact in some cases where there is a realistic prospect of raising revenue by cutting rates this should be considered).</p>
<p>I also think the fiscal tightening pencilled-in by the government is likely to be insufficient, and is certainly imprudent given the scale of the problem.</p>
<p>In terms of the nature of the cuts, you&#8217;ve made some sensible suggestions but I do not think economies of one form or another (eg scrapping quangos, RDAs, SHAs etc) will be enough: bureaucracy has a habit of reappearing in new forms, and this empire-building will continue until the culture and incentives that foster it change. Previous attempts at realising efficiency savings from the centre have invariably had disappointing results.</p>
<p>Nor will programme cuts on easy targets like ID cards and Trident do much to reduce the government&#8217;s annual overdraft.</p>
<p>To be credible, politicians will have to grasp the nettle on issues like overhauling public sector pensions, the unnecessarily wide scope of tax credits and raising the retirement age across the board.</p>
<p>The question of the timing of the cuts is more problematic in my view. You can certainly argue that it is politically convenient and morally indefensible to defer the &#8216;pain&#8217; until after the general election.</p>
<p>But it may just be economically justified given the continued fragility of the economy.</p>
<p>Whatever you think of the effectiveness of the recent &#8216;fiscal stimulus&#8217; (which, let&#8217;s face it, was puny both by international standards and in comparison to the UK monetary stimulus), I&#8217;m not sure an aggressively pro-cyclical fiscal policy is the answer.</p>
<p>I still think the sensible approach is to aim for balanced budgets over an economic cycle, allowing for cyclical swings into surplus and deficit.</p>
<p>The big problem about Gordon Brown&#8217;s fiscal policy in 2001-08 was not that it was too Keynesian but that he ran big deficits while the economy was booming &#8211; ie it was pro-cyclical rather than counter-cyclical. The &#8216;automatic stabilisers&#8217; were not working but were being subverted by excessive spending that was not covered by revenue (and much of the revenue that did come flooding in was fuelled by the overheated financial sector and housing market).</p>
<p>The problem with trying to correct the huge structural deficit while the economy is still on its knees is simply that it may well turn out to be counter-productive.</p>
<p>If lower public spending does not free up resources for the private sector, but simply depresses aggregate demand, the resulting higher unemployment will wreck the fiscal arithmetic as well as delaying the recovery.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying this definitely will happen; there are other possible scenarios. But it is clearly a danger.</p>
<p>For that reason I would prefer a phasing-in of the cuts so that they become progressively larger as the economy recovers. This was the approach that was successfully adopted in 1993-95 (albeit with tax increases playing a bigger role that time).</p>
<p>Of course it is essential to keep the confidence of the markets. But the key to this is the credibility of the long-term fiscal strategy, not whether the cuts begin today or in 6 months&#8217; time.</p>
<p>You claim: &#8220;History shows that in the past the Labour IMF cuts, the Conservative 1981 budget, and the Conservative strict controls on public spending in the late 1990s were all important parts of the recovery process. Far from preventing recovery, controlling the public budgets aided the recovery.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced about the cause and effect here.</p>
<p>For starters, one key difference in 1975-76 and 1981 was the need to rein in runaway inflation as the precondition for any durable recovery. That clearly doesn&#8217;t apply this time, though inflation may re-emerge as a danger in future.</p>
<p>Secondly, the 1981 budget was a clever foil designed to facilitate lower interest rates and exchange rate without giving the markets the idea that the government was going soft on inflation. So while fiscal policy was tightened sharply, monetary policy was eased over the following years and a large devaluation in sterling fuelled the recovery in the mid-1980s. There is clearly little scope for a further monetary stimulus this time to offset a fiscal clawback.</p>
<p>The other point is that the means of fiscal tightening adopted in the 1981 budget was across-the-board direct and indirect tax increases &#8211; and indirect tax increases also played a big role in the 1993-97 fiscal consolidation. So, logically, if you believe fiscal policy at these times actually aided the recovery then you believe that tax increases, as well as spending cuts, can be introduced in the trough of a recession without fear of deepening it. I&#8217;m not so confident&#8230;</p>
<p>The reality is that in 1993-2000 (perhaps the most successful recent example of how to correct a deficit), the spending controls and tax rises were largely deferred until the recovery was clearly underway. The main reason the economy recovered in 1993-95 was not fiscal policy, but the lower interest rates and devaluation that followed our exit from the ERM.</p>
<p>Clearly, the corollary of my argument that it&#8217;s best to delay spending cuts is that they need to be ambitious and sustained once they take effect, and spending may well have to be reduced in cash terms (not just as a proportion of GDP) even when the economy is growing at trend or above-trend rates. I suspect British politicians will find that quite a challenge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen Responsible</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45760</link>
		<dc:creator>Citizen Responsible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This new quango, the ISA, which is tasked with vetting 11 million people and charging them  £64 each for the privilege, looks  like another government  job creation scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This new quango, the ISA, which is tasked with vetting 11 million people and charging them  £64 each for the privilege, looks  like another government  job creation scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Waramess</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45745</link>
		<dc:creator>Waramess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come come Lola; buying them off yourself for a multiple of what you originally paid for them will be great fun and this government will then tell you that you made a handsome profit on the transaction</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come come Lola; buying them off yourself for a multiple of what you originally paid for them will be great fun and this government will then tell you that you made a handsome profit on the transaction</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45741</link>
		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Belle, I think you have just defined the modern politician.

I think I know who the Sheep are in this tale; and the Sheepdogs; but, I am not sure who the Wolves are!  Is Mandy a wolf?

http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&amp;TheWolvesandtheSheepdogs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Belle, I think you have just defined the modern politician.</p>
<p>I think I know who the Sheep are in this tale; and the Sheepdogs; but, I am not sure who the Wolves are!  Is Mandy a wolf?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&amp;TheWolvesandtheSheepdogs" rel="nofollow">http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&amp;TheWolvesandtheSheepdogs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cassandrina</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45740</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Naughtie interview with Mandy on the Today programme was remeniscent of his infamous interview with Neil Kinnock - and as biased, as normal - how he keeps his job with bbc is a mystery.
As to Ireland, larger forces have returned to provide better guidance to the Irish than Sarkozy and the EC bureaucrats, and the tide will now turn. 
It could turn much faster if the Irish people are presented with the option that to vote YES would ensure that Tony Blair becomes EU President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Naughtie interview with Mandy on the Today programme was remeniscent of his infamous interview with Neil Kinnock &#8211; and as biased, as normal &#8211; how he keeps his job with bbc is a mystery.<br />
As to Ireland, larger forces have returned to provide better guidance to the Irish than Sarkozy and the EC bureaucrats, and the tide will now turn.<br />
It could turn much faster if the Irish people are presented with the option that to vote YES would ensure that Tony Blair becomes EU President.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Mandleson in Denial &#171; Manicbeancounter&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45732</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord Mandleson in Denial &#171; Manicbeancounter&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ManicBeancounter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ManicBeancounter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This country now has a structural deficit £100bn, or around 7% of GDP. To tackle it effectively will require a clear vision, a steely determination to turn things around and the leadership ability to carry a significant proportion of the public with them. 
It will not be tackled by those who created this problem by running large deficit through the boom years. Neither will it be resolved by those who see reality in terms of political point-scoring to influence the next opinion polls. Nor by someone who cannot even utter the word “cut”.
The longer we leave this situation, the more likely it is that any government will be forced to cut indiscriminately to save the economy from collapse, on the instructions of the IMF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country now has a structural deficit £100bn, or around 7% of GDP. To tackle it effectively will require a clear vision, a steely determination to turn things around and the leadership ability to carry a significant proportion of the public with them.<br />
It will not be tackled by those who created this problem by running large deficit through the boom years. Neither will it be resolved by those who see reality in terms of political point-scoring to influence the next opinion polls. Nor by someone who cannot even utter the word “cut”.<br />
The longer we leave this situation, the more likely it is that any government will be forced to cut indiscriminately to save the economy from collapse, on the instructions of the IMF.</p>
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		<title>By: True Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

We saw you on South Today this evening- just caught the end of your interview.  Is it true that the meeting you attended should have had a better showing of  fellow MPs?

Where were they all?

Reply:Most didn&#039;t bother - see today&#039;s blog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>We saw you on South Today this evening- just caught the end of your interview.  Is it true that the meeting you attended should have had a better showing of  fellow MPs?</p>
<p>Where were they all?</p>
<p>Reply:Most didn&#8217;t bother &#8211; see today&#8217;s blog</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID cards havent gone away. Thats more lies from the New Liar party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ID cards havent gone away. Thats more lies from the New Liar party</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Collyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Collyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Brian. And it&#039;s worse. The new Independent Safeguarding Authority is &quot;independent&quot; of government (i.e. a quango),and is not responsible to any one particular department. So no government minister can ever be responsible for its actions!

But apparently (according to its website) &quot;performance, efficiency and effectiveness will be scrutinised closely by both government and stakeholders&quot;. Yeah, right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Brian. And it&#8217;s worse. The new Independent Safeguarding Authority is &#8220;independent&#8221; of government (i.e. a quango),and is not responsible to any one particular department. So no government minister can ever be responsible for its actions!</p>
<p>But apparently (according to its website) &#8220;performance, efficiency and effectiveness will be scrutinised closely by both government and stakeholders&#8221;. Yeah, right.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill McCartney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill McCartney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time to use the left wing method of attacking the message carrier rather than the message.  It is now clear that Mandie has already taken over and Brown cannot be trusted or bothered to address the nation.  The message was total spin as was the radio4 interview with Gordie fan James Naughtie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time to use the left wing method of attacking the message carrier rather than the message.  It is now clear that Mandie has already taken over and Brown cannot be trusted or bothered to address the nation.  The message was total spin as was the radio4 interview with Gordie fan James Naughtie.</p>
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		<title>By: Lola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a headline today that Cameron / Osborne plan to privatise the state bank by selling us shares!  Are they deranged.  We ALREADY own the bloody things.  By we I mean everyone in private business, not state employees (since they pay no tax) - or bank employees come to that.  If they plan on doing this they should allocate to me shares to the value of whatever I have been coerced to spend on them, probably about £30,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a headline today that Cameron / Osborne plan to privatise the state bank by selling us shares!  Are they deranged.  We ALREADY own the bloody things.  By we I mean everyone in private business, not state employees (since they pay no tax) &#8211; or bank employees come to that.  If they plan on doing this they should allocate to me shares to the value of whatever I have been coerced to spend on them, probably about £30,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/09/14/wise-spenders-not-big-spenders/#comment-45721</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people are saying that Gordon the Big Engine is only being kept on until the irish have ratified Lisbon. Lord Mandelson has, they say, used his European and Russian connections to make sure that Lisbon goes through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people are saying that Gordon the Big Engine is only being kept on until the irish have ratified Lisbon. Lord Mandelson has, they say, used his European and Russian connections to make sure that Lisbon goes through.</p>
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		<title>By: True Belle</title>
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		<dc:creator>True Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Mandelson can really put a speech together, we listened to him on the car radio, we were on our way to  way to  pick up our spectacles , and we sat in the car park for a while  until he had finished his speech. 

If he were a  working cocker spaniel , I would say his pedigree was impeccable- spanning a very good line over many generations.  I would say that if he were  in a field trial I would  comment that he was a neat mover and VERY capable of producing the best in the line up. He has a good nose and a wonderful ability to sense and scent when to be patient and bide his time, but equally able of working the cover and showing style to the very best of his ability.

The very best of his ability  and his style?

 He is working for himself, and not even looking towards his master or responding to the whistle or hand signals for direction. 

Like most dominant dogs, he is being pack leader- Now, I am not a bit happy with this situation.   

Who on earth is in control,  Mr Mandelson or Mr Brown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Mandelson can really put a speech together, we listened to him on the car radio, we were on our way to  way to  pick up our spectacles , and we sat in the car park for a while  until he had finished his speech. </p>
<p>If he were a  working cocker spaniel , I would say his pedigree was impeccable- spanning a very good line over many generations.  I would say that if he were  in a field trial I would  comment that he was a neat mover and VERY capable of producing the best in the line up. He has a good nose and a wonderful ability to sense and scent when to be patient and bide his time, but equally able of working the cover and showing style to the very best of his ability.</p>
<p>The very best of his ability  and his style?</p>
<p> He is working for himself, and not even looking towards his master or responding to the whistle or hand signals for direction. </p>
<p>Like most dominant dogs, he is being pack leader- Now, I am not a bit happy with this situation.   </p>
<p>Who on earth is in control,  Mr Mandelson or Mr Brown.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am going the other way myself. If I don&#039;t understand it, then it is probably hokum! 
If banks lend appreciably more than they have in credit, then surely people will distrust them and there will be a run which will make the politicians take fright and close them down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going the other way myself. If I don&#8217;t understand it, then it is probably hokum!<br />
If banks lend appreciably more than they have in credit, then surely people will distrust them and there will be a run which will make the politicians take fright and close them down?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad you brought up the matter of CRB checks.
At the moment, I do voluntary work, involving one small Polish girl of Year 8 and about 14 adults. I take a frail lady to Church. I try to teach art to people, some of whom are certainly &quot;vulnerable&quot;. Total cost to the Church: 3 x £64. 
AND dammit, why should I prove to these people with their filthy innuendos that I am not a paedophile or necrophile?
Especially when I see Edward Balls leering over a child in a classroom, I really do hope that he faces a £5000 fine in October 12th. I really do.
One law for the Pure and Clean, another for the Great Unwashed......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad you brought up the matter of CRB checks.<br />
At the moment, I do voluntary work, involving one small Polish girl of Year 8 and about 14 adults. I take a frail lady to Church. I try to teach art to people, some of whom are certainly &#8220;vulnerable&#8221;. Total cost to the Church: 3 x £64.<br />
AND dammit, why should I prove to these people with their filthy innuendos that I am not a paedophile or necrophile?<br />
Especially when I see Edward Balls leering over a child in a classroom, I really do hope that he faces a £5000 fine in October 12th. I really do.<br />
One law for the Pure and Clean, another for the Great Unwashed&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I&#039;m almost surprised that James Naughtie wasted almost 15 minutes of his life this morning trying to get an answer out of Mandelson. As usual he treated both interviewer and listeners with his usual intellectual contempt, interrupting the interviewer, refusing to answer the questions, refusing to give way as he wandered off topic time &amp; time again, and attacking the Tories whilst offering nothing of any substance at all as to what his own Government would do.

All we established this morning is that Mandelson is prepared to offer almost any placation or promise in the run up to the 2010 election whilst meticulously avoiding any actual commitments or detail or even a sense of urgency. It&#039;s more &quot;trust us despite our record&quot; stuff from Labour again. With the economy in the state it&#039;s in and the private sector bearing the entire impact of the credit crunch, this snake of a man talks in his cut glass accent of &quot;not ruling anything out&quot; but not until after the election. Yeah right pal - are we expected to be that stupid?

But therein lies the point. Labour is counting on the fact that there are enough people out there who are stupid enough to believe this drivel, or are so dependant on the state that they are voting to save thier free benefits or  public sector jobs, or have ignorantly convinced themselves that the well of plenty is indeed bottomless and that debt repayments will not hurt, or that it can lumbered onto the &quot;stinking rich&quot;

Labour has failed to manage it&#039;s affairs during the good times (if indeed they were genuinely good) and it&#039;s response to economic failure is simply to take out more Credit Cards. Labour is the Kerry Katona of politics; no talent, no dignity, no skill and almost bankrupt.

The only thing that seems to be certain is that those at the heart of the New Labour project, be that Blair, Mandelson, the cabinet or the Grandees of the Union movement like Derek Simpson will have (looked afetr themselves-ed)whilst the rest of us are forced to face the wreckage they have created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I&#8217;m almost surprised that James Naughtie wasted almost 15 minutes of his life this morning trying to get an answer out of Mandelson. As usual he treated both interviewer and listeners with his usual intellectual contempt, interrupting the interviewer, refusing to answer the questions, refusing to give way as he wandered off topic time &amp; time again, and attacking the Tories whilst offering nothing of any substance at all as to what his own Government would do.</p>
<p>All we established this morning is that Mandelson is prepared to offer almost any placation or promise in the run up to the 2010 election whilst meticulously avoiding any actual commitments or detail or even a sense of urgency. It&#8217;s more &#8220;trust us despite our record&#8221; stuff from Labour again. With the economy in the state it&#8217;s in and the private sector bearing the entire impact of the credit crunch, this snake of a man talks in his cut glass accent of &#8220;not ruling anything out&#8221; but not until after the election. Yeah right pal &#8211; are we expected to be that stupid?</p>
<p>But therein lies the point. Labour is counting on the fact that there are enough people out there who are stupid enough to believe this drivel, or are so dependant on the state that they are voting to save thier free benefits or  public sector jobs, or have ignorantly convinced themselves that the well of plenty is indeed bottomless and that debt repayments will not hurt, or that it can lumbered onto the &#8220;stinking rich&#8221;</p>
<p>Labour has failed to manage it&#8217;s affairs during the good times (if indeed they were genuinely good) and it&#8217;s response to economic failure is simply to take out more Credit Cards. Labour is the Kerry Katona of politics; no talent, no dignity, no skill and almost bankrupt.</p>
<p>The only thing that seems to be certain is that those at the heart of the New Labour project, be that Blair, Mandelson, the cabinet or the Grandees of the Union movement like Derek Simpson will have (looked afetr themselves-ed)whilst the rest of us are forced to face the wreckage they have created.</p>
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		<title>By: Demetrius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demetrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we manage the economy when our non-state banks are controlled from overseas, when much of our industry, most of our utilities, and a good deal else are foreign owned, and many of our government offices are owned by private equity firms in tax havens?  Then there is the EU with its control over much else and especially agriculture.  We are no longer the masters, we are the servants and the prisoners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we manage the economy when our non-state banks are controlled from overseas, when much of our industry, most of our utilities, and a good deal else are foreign owned, and many of our government offices are owned by private equity firms in tax havens?  Then there is the EU with its control over much else and especially agriculture.  We are no longer the masters, we are the servants and the prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: THE ESSEX BOYS</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE ESSEX BOYS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it happens we disagree with reputable Labour MP Paul Flynn&#039;s anti-nuclear views. However in commenting on the latest Labour disgrace of former energy minister Hutton&#039;s (job choice-ed) he comes to the same conclusion as we have previously blogged here and elsewhere...
&quot;Ministers should be banned for life from working in companies that have received contracts from them in their ministerial incarnations.&quot; 
Paul Flynn&#039;s blog appears below:


Today it is reported that  Mr Hutton will be appointed to nuclear power company EDF’s Stakeholder Advisory Panel, which advises the firm’s senior management, and includes Lord Patten, the former Tory Cabinet Minister and last Governor of Hong Kong.  It&#039;s called the &#039;revolving door. The Public Administration Committee (PASC)  gave Richard Caborn and Lord Warner a roasting (see Quentin Letts&#039; hilarious account of the grilling)about  taking vast sums in exchange for their ministerial contacts and &#039;expertise.&#039; We pointed out in our report that Ministers settling contracts might have an eye on the possibility of a fat salary when they step down as ministers. We thought that there is a grave danger that contracts could be awarded for the wrong reasons. We made a major point of this peril in our report. My conviction is that ministers should be banned for life from working in companies that have received contracts from them in their ministerial incarnations. The contract that John Hutton bestowed of EDF was for £13 billion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it happens we disagree with reputable Labour MP Paul Flynn&#8217;s anti-nuclear views. However in commenting on the latest Labour disgrace of former energy minister Hutton&#8217;s (job choice-ed) he comes to the same conclusion as we have previously blogged here and elsewhere&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Ministers should be banned for life from working in companies that have received contracts from them in their ministerial incarnations.&#8221;<br />
Paul Flynn&#8217;s blog appears below:</p>
<p>Today it is reported that  Mr Hutton will be appointed to nuclear power company EDF’s Stakeholder Advisory Panel, which advises the firm’s senior management, and includes Lord Patten, the former Tory Cabinet Minister and last Governor of Hong Kong.  It&#8217;s called the &#8216;revolving door. The Public Administration Committee (PASC)  gave Richard Caborn and Lord Warner a roasting (see Quentin Letts&#8217; hilarious account of the grilling)about  taking vast sums in exchange for their ministerial contacts and &#8216;expertise.&#8217; We pointed out in our report that Ministers settling contracts might have an eye on the possibility of a fat salary when they step down as ministers. We thought that there is a grave danger that contracts could be awarded for the wrong reasons. We made a major point of this peril in our report. My conviction is that ministers should be banned for life from working in companies that have received contracts from them in their ministerial incarnations. The contract that John Hutton bestowed of EDF was for £13 billion.</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandrina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cassandrina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it possible that Mandy will take over leadership from Brown before Xmas.
It certainly seems this way as all the other &quot;ministers&quot; have gone very quiet, and Mandy is on bbc every day.
So we could have a (spinner -ed) as PM?

Reply: No, I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it possible that Mandy will take over leadership from Brown before Xmas.<br />
It certainly seems this way as all the other &#8220;ministers&#8221; have gone very quiet, and Mandy is on bbc every day.<br />
So we could have a (spinner -ed) as PM?</p>
<p>Reply: No, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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