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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48075</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acorn,

Just like the Miners in the 70s?</description>
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<p>Just like the Miners in the 70s?</p>
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		<title>By: David Price</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48059</link>
		<dc:creator>David Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting aside the scale of bonuses for now, my main concern about bank bonuses generally is whether they are being used effectively enough. Are they being used to reinforce the more appropriate behaviours given the present situation.

From a technology R&amp;D perspective my impression was always that the city had a very, very short term view of things and the decline in UK science, R&amp;D and manufacturing has not changed my perspective one bit.

Shouldn&#039;t the bonuses by tied to paying back the taxpayer loans to the banks as quickly as possible and revitalising the wider economy through longer term investments and credit to commerce and industry?

Bonuses should also be fully taxed at UK standard rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting aside the scale of bonuses for now, my main concern about bank bonuses generally is whether they are being used effectively enough. Are they being used to reinforce the more appropriate behaviours given the present situation.</p>
<p>From a technology R&amp;D perspective my impression was always that the city had a very, very short term view of things and the decline in UK science, R&amp;D and manufacturing has not changed my perspective one bit.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t the bonuses by tied to paying back the taxpayer loans to the banks as quickly as possible and revitalising the wider economy through longer term investments and credit to commerce and industry?</p>
<p>Bonuses should also be fully taxed at UK standard rates.</p>
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		<title>By: james harries</title>
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		<dc:creator>james harries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post acorn
many a true word spoken in jest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post acorn<br />
many a true word spoken in jest</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48052</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is a Cat 4: the Wall St banks that have made a profit as a gift from the state, as identified by Soros in the FT.  I think they&#039;re where Sid the Shark is currently employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a Cat 4: the Wall St banks that have made a profit as a gift from the state, as identified by Soros in the FT.  I think they&#8217;re where Sid the Shark is currently employed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48048</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the banks paying contingency fees to the state to cover the implicit guarantees which have been given?

If so I guess it will be yielding a huge premium for the public coffers.

If not it would explain the huge profits and bonus payouts.

Can I have a collateral free guarantee from the state for my business please?

Yeah - right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the banks paying contingency fees to the state to cover the implicit guarantees which have been given?</p>
<p>If so I guess it will be yielding a huge premium for the public coffers.</p>
<p>If not it would explain the huge profits and bonus payouts.</p>
<p>Can I have a collateral free guarantee from the state for my business please?</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; right.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Steve,
I thought about this before I wrote.
Answer the following: 
Robin Cook&#039;s divorce (quite sudden?)
Tessa Jowell&#039;s estrangement (at a time when her husband was under pressure in Italy).
Clare Short&#039;s love child (announced at the time of a Cabinet row).
The problem, you see, is that it is all true!
Anyway, when things get too embarrassing on TV, I leave the room even if it is fiction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steve,<br />
I thought about this before I wrote.<br />
Answer the following:<br />
Robin Cook&#8217;s divorce (quite sudden?)<br />
Tessa Jowell&#8217;s estrangement (at a time when her husband was under pressure in Italy).<br />
Clare Short&#8217;s love child (announced at the time of a Cabinet row).<br />
The problem, you see, is that it is all true!<br />
Anyway, when things get too embarrassing on TV, I leave the room even if it is fiction!</p>
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		<title>By: alan jutson</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan jutson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acorn

Priceless !!!!!!!</description>
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<p>Priceless !!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: BillyB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bank bonuses are a transfer of wealth.   From customers, taxpayers, pensions funds and individual shareholders to a financial elite who appear to be smarter than the government.  

And as Acorn says they have us by the short and curlies.  

What confidence can you give us John, that things would be significantly different under the Tories?   Who is smart enough to take on Sid the Shark and get a better deal for us all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bank bonuses are a transfer of wealth.   From customers, taxpayers, pensions funds and individual shareholders to a financial elite who appear to be smarter than the government.  </p>
<p>And as Acorn says they have us by the short and curlies.  </p>
<p>What confidence can you give us John, that things would be significantly different under the Tories?   Who is smart enough to take on Sid the Shark and get a better deal for us all?</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay McDougall</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48042</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay McDougall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Category 2 - &quot;institutions which would benefit from state loans, guarantees and subsidies if they got into financial trouble.&quot; But which are these institutions? Please name them. Is Barclays Bank, which deliberately turned down state aid, one of them? Or are we talking about NotWork Rail? 

Where I differ from John Redwood is that I would sell off state shareholdings in banks as rapidly as possible - which is a matter (a) of making full disclosure about toxic assets and (b) being willing to sell to the highest bidder(s) regardless of the wishes of the current (failed) management.

Then there would only be category 3 financial institutions.

However, I agree 100% about what you say about monetary policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Category 2 &#8211; &#8220;institutions which would benefit from state loans, guarantees and subsidies if they got into financial trouble.&#8221; But which are these institutions? Please name them. Is Barclays Bank, which deliberately turned down state aid, one of them? Or are we talking about NotWork Rail? </p>
<p>Where I differ from John Redwood is that I would sell off state shareholdings in banks as rapidly as possible &#8211; which is a matter (a) of making full disclosure about toxic assets and (b) being willing to sell to the highest bidder(s) regardless of the wishes of the current (failed) management.</p>
<p>Then there would only be category 3 financial institutions.</p>
<p>However, I agree 100% about what you say about monetary policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Tierney</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48040</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Tierney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike Stallard

You are aware that &quot;The Thick Of It&quot; is fiction, right?  

It&#039;s politically-astute, clever parody fiction, but fiction nonetheless.  

&quot;Turning off in disgust&quot; is an odd response to fiction.  By that premise, I guess you&#039;d never watch a murder mystery or a thriller, and horror movies must be terrifying for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike Stallard</p>
<p>You are aware that &#8220;The Thick Of It&#8221; is fiction, right?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s politically-astute, clever parody fiction, but fiction nonetheless.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Turning off in disgust&#8221; is an odd response to fiction.  By that premise, I guess you&#8217;d never watch a murder mystery or a thriller, and horror movies must be terrifying for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget the State too.

HMRC was castigated last year for losing a £Billion, and also being incompetent and inefficient, but it paid out £27million to it&#039;s workers in bonuses. Quite apart from the State should not pay any bonus because the pension and remuneration system takes account of that, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget the State too.</p>
<p>HMRC was castigated last year for losing a £Billion, and also being incompetent and inefficient, but it paid out £27million to it&#8217;s workers in bonuses. Quite apart from the State should not pay any bonus because the pension and remuneration system takes account of that, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Tomkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Tomkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government has made clear that no bank will be allowed to fail thereby giving carte blanche to bankers to take risks to enrich themselves knowing that the taxpayer will have to suffer any losses. As some say, they have privatised the gains and nationalised the losses. When is someone going to deal with this? What has happened to the &quot;toxic assets&quot; and how do we know that those same bankers that caused so much hardship are not doing exactly the same all over again? I heard that bankers have a sort of acronym for their future behaviour when it all goes wrong again - IBG -I&#039;ll be gone with my bonus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government has made clear that no bank will be allowed to fail thereby giving carte blanche to bankers to take risks to enrich themselves knowing that the taxpayer will have to suffer any losses. As some say, they have privatised the gains and nationalised the losses. When is someone going to deal with this? What has happened to the &#8220;toxic assets&#8221; and how do we know that those same bankers that caused so much hardship are not doing exactly the same all over again? I heard that bankers have a sort of acronym for their future behaviour when it all goes wrong again &#8211; IBG -I&#8217;ll be gone with my bonus!</p>
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		<title>By: Demetrius</title>
		<link>http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/2009/10/25/bonuses-are-too-big/#comment-48036</link>
		<dc:creator>Demetrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see an analytical approach to the overall issue.  There is another aspect to this.  Where over large bonuses go to people who pay little or no UK tax by offshoring their income and assets, it is one thing.  If they were to be paying their full whack as most of have to, whether we like or not, and there was a full and genuine input into the UK economy, then at least some high levels payments might be more justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see an analytical approach to the overall issue.  There is another aspect to this.  Where over large bonuses go to people who pay little or no UK tax by offshoring their income and assets, it is one thing.  If they were to be paying their full whack as most of have to, whether we like or not, and there was a full and genuine input into the UK economy, then at least some high levels payments might be more justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Acorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Acorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great suggestion Mr Redwood; Sid the Shark here, derivatives trader.

I can see opportunities for some new market products here.  I see, for a starter, the possibility for a &quot;BDS&quot; (Bonus Default Swap).  Should the barrow boy execs who run my outfit have to go to the government for cash, and I loose my bonus, some counter-party will pay me a large lump of what I was expecting. 

The fact that the government owns a large lump of my outfit is your problem not mine.  I still have a pile of toxics in the basement and they are coming your way.  Slowly slowly catchy monkey style, unless you let me make, and retain, loads of profits to quietly shift the bloody stuff into the local landfill (or the BoE).

If you start getting shitty with me and my bonus, remember the government needs me to keep buying its IOUs at the DMO shop.
I have you by the short and curlies.  We can go on a buying strike faster than a postal worker working a five hour day.  (The other two and a half hours are his bonus pay; I don&#039;t here you going on about that).  All the time you are running a massive budget deficit, you can&#039;t touch me.  I will find a work around for any rules you can think up.  I am much much cleverer than the government and much bigger. 

So my friend, its like this, you need me more than I need you.  Me and my mates down here on the trading floor are the guys with the degrees in higher maths.  My bosses are the barrow boys of the sixties and seventies.  They didn&#039;t have a clue what we were doing and they understood it even less.  They were happy when we were making piles of cash and so was the government.  If you want me to do it again, and you will, it will be much harder next time.  So you better keep me sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great suggestion Mr Redwood; Sid the Shark here, derivatives trader.</p>
<p>I can see opportunities for some new market products here.  I see, for a starter, the possibility for a &#8220;BDS&#8221; (Bonus Default Swap).  Should the barrow boy execs who run my outfit have to go to the government for cash, and I loose my bonus, some counter-party will pay me a large lump of what I was expecting. </p>
<p>The fact that the government owns a large lump of my outfit is your problem not mine.  I still have a pile of toxics in the basement and they are coming your way.  Slowly slowly catchy monkey style, unless you let me make, and retain, loads of profits to quietly shift the bloody stuff into the local landfill (or the BoE).</p>
<p>If you start getting shitty with me and my bonus, remember the government needs me to keep buying its IOUs at the DMO shop.<br />
I have you by the short and curlies.  We can go on a buying strike faster than a postal worker working a five hour day.  (The other two and a half hours are his bonus pay; I don&#8217;t here you going on about that).  All the time you are running a massive budget deficit, you can&#8217;t touch me.  I will find a work around for any rules you can think up.  I am much much cleverer than the government and much bigger. </p>
<p>So my friend, its like this, you need me more than I need you.  Me and my mates down here on the trading floor are the guys with the degrees in higher maths.  My bosses are the barrow boys of the sixties and seventies.  They didn&#8217;t have a clue what we were doing and they understood it even less.  They were happy when we were making piles of cash and so was the government.  If you want me to do it again, and you will, it will be much harder next time.  So you better keep me sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Stallard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Stallard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why aren&#039;t these commonsense proposals being acted on as we speak?
I suspect that the government is paralysed. Mr Brown has surrounded himself with nice toadies who, despite huge academic credentials, couldn&#039;t run a whelk stall. Worse than that, he has sucked all decision making into No 10 Downing St.
And he has not got a clue on how to get out of the mess he himself has landed the country in.
I was horrified last night when I tuned in to &quot;The Thick of It&quot;. Is this really how bad it has got? When the woman minister was faced with the choice of dropping either her daughter or husband in the poo and then being rewarded with a nice little bill in parliament, I turned off in disgust.
We desperately need an election now. Maybe the back bench rebellion over the Postal Strike will split off some crucial back benchers.......
And, as usual, what you say makes good sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why aren&#8217;t these commonsense proposals being acted on as we speak?<br />
I suspect that the government is paralysed. Mr Brown has surrounded himself with nice toadies who, despite huge academic credentials, couldn&#8217;t run a whelk stall. Worse than that, he has sucked all decision making into No 10 Downing St.<br />
And he has not got a clue on how to get out of the mess he himself has landed the country in.<br />
I was horrified last night when I tuned in to &#8220;The Thick of It&#8221;. Is this really how bad it has got? When the woman minister was faced with the choice of dropping either her daughter or husband in the poo and then being rewarded with a nice little bill in parliament, I turned off in disgust.<br />
We desperately need an election now. Maybe the back bench rebellion over the Postal Strike will split off some crucial back benchers&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
And, as usual, what you say makes good sense.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The politics of envy&#039; are obviously back in fashion. Tax &#039;em till the pips squeak that&#039;s what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The politics of envy&#8217; are obviously back in fashion. Tax &#8216;em till the pips squeak that&#8217;s what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t all this depend on having a Government that both understands the situation, and has a fully functional spine?</description>
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