Comments on: Statement of Conservative Immigration Policy

By: Aurelio Hernandez

Aurelio Hernandez — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:48:05 +0000

Non-EU inmigrants (the so called “economic inmigrants”) have no right to benefits. In our work permit there is abig note that reads “NO RECOURSE TU PUBLIC FUNDS”.

Inmigrants are entilted to benefits only after they are granted the right of settlemen, which currently takes at least five years.

By: no one

no one — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:37:14 +0000

Re “Why not sort out single, young guys who claim?” sadly young single guys are the bottom of every list, and far too often end up sleeping rough under bridges, not for them the lifestyle choice of having a kid (often without the father knowing) in order to be given state funded housing

its especially bad for a single bloke who has worked and paid into the system for many years who finds himself in trouble, maybe his industry collapses or he suffers mental illness, far too often they end up sleeping rough in this country

if there is any category of person this country lets down big time its single blokes who find themselfs in bad times

look at the world through the eyes of a male born and brought up on one of our worst underclass estates sent to a terrible school, its not nice and there are not many positive ways of looking at what they suffer

By: Holly

Holly — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:07:13 +0000

To that man Bob who stated that we should sort out single mothers…. I am fed up of hearing that! Why not sort out single, young guys who claim? Hard to do now there are few jobs, but to keep blaming single mums is stupid, we are human animals who are meant to breed! Sorting out the absent fathers and single men would be more legitimate than picking on a women with a pram…. Has anyone got stats of the men under 30 claiming? Women suffer terrible descrimination in the work place, look how many sucessful women there are in the city of London (very few!). What do you want these women to do. When equality happens we can then discuss this, until then leave women alone! I am not a single mum by the way

By: Holly

Holly — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:49:46 +0000

Mr Redwood, I forgot to say, growing up in the North of England, I was brought up anti Tory. I now thank Thatcher, if it wasn’t for her raising aspiration levels, I would have worked in the local factory or been unemployed. Her actions bore fruit many years after she made changes and they benefited me Labours will bear fruit over the coming decades and I am scared!

By: Holly

Holly — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:34:40 +0000

I have seen so many figures on immigration and I don’t believe anyone knows what is really going on. I don’t think there is any political will to sort this out either. I fear this will be a battle that will be undertaken by my children or grandchildren, the full impact will be apparent in 20/30 years time. I think immigration is much higher than stats say, you only have to walk into a doctors or around the streets in London, Manchester and Birmingham to deduce there are more migrants that 500,000! This can have serious inpact on our culture and value system. Democracy overtaken by dictatorship by the vote. Mr Redwood, Ihave been very niave, I grew up under Thatcher in the North of England and hated her and you I might add, so I have always voted Labour. I didn’t realise this is what I was getting and I did not vote for this. Please will you pressure the Tories to be a viable opposition and dramatic change to Labour and sort this country out. They have created issues that were not there 15 years ago! If the Tories don’t stop with fluff and bluster speaches like labour, then I think many people will turn to UKIP and BNP. This is a prime time for the Tories to secure many voters who would never have voted for them in the past.

By: p page

p page — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:43:17 +0000

just read all these coments and you article labour just sold us down the swanie,, the straw man who ought to go to the wizard and get a new brain,,as he said the english is a race not worth saving, well my grandaughters are worth saving,,none of you”s like your own people,,or you lot would never had let this happen in the first place,,,all of you”s kept scarring us by calling us racist which i am sure we are not otherwise we wouldnt have been so tolerent..but i will be voteing BNP…because when you get in your not going to do anything..you all retract on everything you all say…just like cameron on the lisbon treaty…you have all feathered your on nest..i am all right jack

By: Kevin Peat

Kevin Peat — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:31:46 +0000

This (uncontrolled immigration) is the subject keeping the average Brit awake at night.

There appears to be no mention of a serious points system like those that Australia or Canada operate. And why are we getting this from Damien Green and not David Cameron himself ?

Let’s take a current issue; the postal dispute. Why is the multi-millionaire Adam Crozier able to dictate to post workers on 250 quid a week that they must work harder for less ? Because of our open immigration policy – undertaken by our politicians in utter defiance of majority belief. This undermines nearly every working person in the UK. What is the point of a minimum wage if it is undercut via the black market ?

No wonder Brown is fretting about keeping the housing bubble going. And why he has resorted to the printing presses. He knows we’re going to start smashing the place up if depression takes hold.

This answer – in view of Tory impotence during Labour rule and the signing of Maastricht – is simply not good enough, John.

By: sm

sm — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:00:08 +0000

Nothing can be done without real political power…so get in power first and publish some real facts to confirm what our eyes tell us, after public enquiries.

Follow the money, who benefits and benefited, who loses?
In the short and long term. Fat chance with this government.

How much capital follows the immigrants into the UK and how much flows out from emmigrants and where?

From that follows a host of planning issues. Yes plans based on fact and with competent people who understand economic cycles and can count debt properly.

Who gained?
Surely employers gain.. more choice less pay inflation in the good times. The taxpayer picks up the tab if the economy cools.

Those using service industries gained, those with cleaners and maids (legal or otherwise).

Who gains from population increases? Well GDP probably goes up but not per capita.

Who lost? thats a difficult one to address isnt it?
The new immigrant sometimes? or other areas of the already resident population?

Fancy a minimum wage job with little benefit to working because of labour competition and the system.

How can any MP/Lord Senior Quangocrat really get it and know from a ‘bubble land’ of expenses and hubris.

…and that is without considering any Political angle on voting demographics.

Politicians (as a group) are what they are.. if there is a rule it seems the only questions is how do i get around it to benefit me (profound apologies to those who do not and take offence non was intended to those who made efforts to clean house).

I fear the only reason was political dogma and belief it may help one political party or to further a supranational authority.

Hold a referendum on the EU immediately.Bring in laws to protect the UK from attempts to change the ‘electorate’ in marginal areas.

On migration:
We should be focusing on sustainability of population, food, power,water from within the UK and in cooperation with other rational countries.

The EU/UN should concern themselves with the reasons why mass migration occurs and promote policies to promote sustainability in those countries to mitigate it.

Does it make sense to help only those that make it here or address the issues with the countries regions concerned.

How much initial state funding per migrant has been incurred in the initial year? This should not be narrowly defined as just benefit entitlement but should mean all and any funds which are expended by any means quango or state funded charity.

The problem is we expect competence and courage from an incompetent and cowardly government. Who never face any consequence of their incompetence until many years later.

By: john twitchen

john twitchen — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:11:28 +0000

Nobody seems to address the problem of removing failed asylum seekers. You just can’t have a credible policy on this without answering the point. If failed asylum seekers are not removed effectively and efficiently there is no immigration policy worthy of examination.
The answer is not easy, but I see no alternative. We need to come to an agreement with a foreign government to resolve the matter. We would build and pay for detention centres abroad. They would be manned and operated humanely by a local workforce paid by the British government. Failed asylum seekers, with or without papers would stay abroad in detention until they decided to go home, and were so received.
Detention in the U.K. simply isn’t effective. But if you were taken to a third world nation that would be an effective deterrent. It would also benefit our partner nation in the matter.

By: Jack McPherson

Jack McPherson — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:20:32 +0000

The EU is the SINGLE LARGEST source of immigration, followed by the Commonwealth, and then the rest of the world. So your policy is already a joke.

Why is your ability to enter the country determined solely by the fact that you grew up in a white, Christian country?

By: James, Hastings

James, Hastings — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:59:20 +0000

Basically Redwood isn’t going to do anything about immigration. Accepting core British values? What are these then?
What the hell anyway. The sooner the English become a minority in their own country the better.

By: Adrian Peirson

Adrian Peirson — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:57:12 +0000

Mr Neathers revealations came as no surprise to me I’ve long held the believe that immigration was to destroy the Nation state and National Identity.
Former Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky stated so publically.
This is Treachery of unimaginable proportions carried out against the British people, it is an absolute disgrace, yet barely a mention.

By: Lee M

Lee M — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:42:20 +0000

How are you going to create a Border Police Force – the police can’t do anything on a national basis – all you’ll do is create silo working with an ACPO office in the middle that has no power to do anything.

Like now.

Put the emphasis back on Immigration Officers at the border and inland making the decisions and stop the current customs takeover of our immigration controls that is effectively ignoring immigration work in favour of seizing fags and booze.

By: Popeye

Popeye — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:19:22 +0000

All fine and good, but what about the other “more than equal” (group -ed), the gypsies?

By: no one

no one — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:09:24 +0000

I couldn’t believe our old friend Patricia Hewitt asking a question at PMQ’s about our relationship with India with reference to the visit to the UK by the Indian head of state

1 She is a director of BT
2 BT is one of the major prime contractors for NHS IT programmes, which have been a resounding failure, she is a director immediately after being secretary of state for health
3 BT are one of the biggest users of Indian nationals in this country to displace their UK workforce,…… and brought in on inter company transfer visas
4 BT are also responsible for pushing to displace other European workers both by moving their jobs overseas but also by replacing them with Indian nationals here on Inter Company Transfer visas

(Shouldn’t Mrs Hewitt have declared an interest? ed)

Reply: Mrs H does not appear to have been pursuing a business interest by asking a general question.

By: Bazman

Bazman — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:47:25 +0000

An illegal immigrant is exactly that. Illegal and unless you want to live in a police state immigrants cannot be physically stopped from coming into this country. How do you stop an intelligent fit eighteen year old from entering Britain? You can’t and would it be wise to do so?
Why are they coming here? Welfare? To easy, though some must do, but the reality is that they are entitled to very little. Your mate of a mate story is exactly that, an urban myth.
Most come here for work because in Britain a large black economy exists with millions illegally employed putting British workers out of a job and being exploited by employers paying below the minimum wage. If a business cannot pay the minimum wage then it is not viable and of no use to the country or the employee.
The main thing to be done then is a crack down on illegal employers not paying legal wages, then there would be no reason to come to Britain. Unless you want to live five to a room/car and eat as cheaply as possible that is. Many do and this is what employers like. A desperate supply of workers.
If you offered job for a bricklayer paying £50 an hour you would have to many bricklayers proving that it is not a shortage of skilled labour, but a shortage of money. The new term for East European is NMW. (National Minimum Wage) To circumvent any laws. Problem is that people can only live like tramps for so long and so a supply of desperadoes is needed.
More workers for the Fatherland then Nick Griffin and other right wing supporters? Maybe we could have minimum wage camps where after a hard days graft at the curry face they can all be forced to return Huh? Failing that, we could all just subcontract out our jobs to anyone daft and desperate enough to work for us while we stop at home complaining that you just can’t get the staff these days. Which ain’t far from the truth.

By: James J

James J — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:05:51 +0000

I would have welcomed a question on the Neather revelations at today’s PMQs.

By: Pat Boorman

Pat Boorman — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:54:33 +0000

I am not a BNP member but I agree with with Nick Chance that people including Conservatives are using words too easily particularly ‘racist’ .This is also loosely used by Labour people because it suits them to misrepresent what are legitimate concerns of so many about people who come here and think they can turn it into the country they left and didn’t choose to stay in. Its not about skin colour or ethnicity AT ALL. It is about Culture -we should remain British Islands English and Scotch and Welsh and Irish peoples and people who choose to come and live here should adopt with of course individual differences that are acceptable (words left out-ed) Then together with integration two things go hand in hand. We have enough that we can integrate now already and secondly Postive Discrimination against indigenous people here must stop in jobs housing and everything else. We need Town Planning Regulations that ensure we preserve the character of a European culture whether it be English or the other national lands in the union and not taken over so that the character is completely changed.In some areas we are past the point of no return. (sentence left out-ed)

By: David Holmes

David Holmes — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:10:33 +0000

I’m impressed. The policy is very well balanced, thought out and even handed. I hope you put it into action as a priority when you win power next year.

I have always voted Labour. However, i am never going to do so again, having read the Andrew Neather leaks this week (another commentator has already quoted here).

The Government have played political games with this countries future, and possibly compromised the quality of life for future generations by fostering this immigration based population explosion, and it’s inevitable demand on resources.

Unforgivable.

By: Ray Miller

Ray Miller — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:44:20 +0000

Sorry SJB, as someone who has lived, worked, has family and friends all over eastern europe, i can see what things are like on the ground and hear first hand from all levels of society. I don’t believe a word of these stats, its all PR, spin and propaganda. Take poor old Hungary for example, its a complete basket case, and scarily like Weimar, its finances are on a par with iceland. The poverty in Romania and Bulgaria is tragic. And something you wont read as part of any demographic projection is that Poland has one of the worst black markets in the developed world, which is the only way many of it citizens can keep alive. The only exposure most westerners have to the east is a few days in Prague or Budapest on a stag night. If the policy makers decisions on migration really want to be taken seriously they should go and spend some time, i mean, weeks and months living in the suburbs and countryside of these countries. Then they can talk with authority and maybe get some respect.