The European Union is a political construct and Europe is a geographical location.

Our membership of the European Union was engineered by treasonous politicians, confirmed by a referendum based on a lie (that it did not affect our national sovereignty) and maintained by successive governments of both colours. Like many others, I was duped into supporting what I was told was a scheme to improve trade and co-operation between European nations.

The written components of the English Constitution, the 39 Articles of Religion (necessarily subscribed to by every beneficed minister of the Church of England), the oath of loyalty to the Monarch sworn by every person holding any public office in Parliament, Courts and the Armed Forces, the Queen’s Coronation Oath to govern Her people in accordance with their laws and customs – all make abundantly clear that the European Communities Act, as amended by subsequent amending treaties, is unlawful.

Sovereignty does not rest in Parliament. It rests with the people, who give it to the monarch in response to the Coronation Oath and loan it for a term of years to the Crown in Parliament. Parliament has no authority to pass sovereignty to any third party and is specifically forbidden to pass it to a foreign power.

English citizens must not obey treasonous laws or they incur the penalty for misprision of treason (i.e. aiding and abetting treason.) In any case, law based on an illegality does not have the nature of law.

Any purported law or treaty, contrary to the Common Law of England and the English Constitution has no force, unless people voluntarily partake of it’s unlawful nature.

This was meant as a criticism, but actually, it’s the best that can be done. Having a referendum now would be effectively having a vote about whether we’d prefer not to have been burgled.

Well, Cameron hasn’t been in charge of security for these last dozen years, and in fact the present security guards brazenly ushered the burglars in through the open window.

Voting Conservative in the expectation that there will be any reversal of the EU ratchet would be a triumph of hope over experience of impressive magnitude – a bit like Eddie the Eagle re-entering the winter olympics in the expectation of a medal.

For the 2008 EU budget, France made a net contribution of around €4 four billion; the UK net contribution was less than €1 (one) billion.
http://euobserver.com/886/28706

As for the Cameron attitude it defies belief, he must know that there can be no re-negotiation, the system is designed to be as it is, a single state governed by an elite, forget democracy and freedom.

This is the Rotten Parliament.

May be one day we will get a Government that will up hold our constitution, the 1689 Bill of Rights states…

‘I do declare That noe Forreigne Prince Person Prelate, State or Potentate hath or ought to have any Jurisdiction Power Superiority Preeminence or Authoritie Ecclesiastical or Spirituall within this Realme Soe helpe me God”. ‘….

…So we don’t need Dave’s pathetic Sovereignty Law, its there in our constitution already, but Parliament in allowing Brussels law be supreme to ours, and with the Lisbon Treaty giving the EU a legal personality they have contravened OUR Bill of Rights, and that makes this Rotten Parliament, not just decadent, but traitorous as well, and tonight we should be dragging these traitorous MP’s onto the top of our bonfires to burn alongside Guido Fawkes (with a few exceptions John).

because he said he would

i was there visiting a friend and we met him randomly at the start of the session and got chatting as you do in bars

nice guy, was actually reasonably impressed by him

only doing what countless other business people do with their expenses

but not what i would be doing if i were an MEP

However, messrs Cameron and Hague have said it isn’t going to happen, and they appear to have thought through their plan B carefully.

I would counsel against people running off to UKIP at the next election. UKIP haven’t enough candidates with ‘bottom’, are perceived as being a one issue party and have no experience of government. Their role at the next election will be as spoilers, sincere though they may be.

The time, if any, to jump ship to UKIP is about a year into the next Conservative government (assuming there is one) if the actions taken by the Conservative government are inadequate.
Let’s keep our powder dry.

If the Conservatives win the forthcoming General Election, they will need a considerable majority to straighten out the mess left by the labourites. Only when this has been achieved will we be in a strong position to return to the table and negotiate. The government will then also have the option to call a referendum on the level of our future involvement in the EU if such a threat is needed. By that time also, we will have had opportunities to observe the reality behind this “Tidying-up Exercise” and will have reflected upon the true effect of the Treaty rather than the hyperbole uttered on both sides as at present

A referendum in face of the current state of the nation would be a pointless diversion from the real challenge before us…since UKIP are a single policy group, they will not have taken this on board

As to the “Cast Iron Guarantee”, I feel some sympathy for the then somewhat naive, though certainly sincere DC having left such a hostage to fortune.

Harold Wilson once said “a week is a long time in politics”…DC made his statement 2 YEARS ago

Without wishing to put words in Cameron’s mouth, might I suggest that he doesn’t believe that the people are really ready for an in/out referendum. Not ready in the sense that they clearly do not like Lisbon, but there is no corresponding groundswell of opinion about leaving the EU.

A lot of anger, but also a huge “don’t know” group who don’t consider it the top priority. That huge “don’t know” group would probably coalesce around the status quo: pre-Lisbon, that would mean voting no to Lisbon; on an in/out vote, it could well be “in”.

If there was an in/out referendum and the result was “in” then that would be the matter settled for decades to come, including everything that EU-sceptics (myself included) most dislike.

However I don’t think it is unrealistic to think that public opinion will firm up, one way or another, over the next few years as a result of the negotiations Cameron is proposing to conduct. The direction and success of those negotiations will determine which way that public opinion will move.

Many will say that Cameron will never accept an in/out vote. I have no idea if he will, but I would far prefer that vote be driven by overwhelming popular demand to leave the EU, rather than simply by frustration at the dishonesty of Labour/Lib Dems over the Lisbon Treaty.

I wondered then how long it would take them to brush this idea under the carpet. I think we now know. Not once has Nick Clegg mentioned this proposed referendum since.

Now the Lisbon treaty has been ratified I think it is time for Lib Dems to show if they were honest about the referendum. They should now be on all media outlets calling for an in/out referendum. I suspect, though, they have prove again that referendum pledges are only to get out of tight positions and are not meant to be taken seriously.

I’m not sure if I will vote UKIP – I’m very interested to hear what Hannan & Carswell say over the months leading up to the election.

I think the Plan is the way to go and I know the leadership have taken bits of it.

I’m not happy with a situation where the other 26 states just shut up shop and we have to wait five years to show them we are very serious.

Between these poles are plenty of young people who find politics boring and who turn away from the public sphere to look for meaning in youth culture and relationships.

For myself, I think that has been rightly said that the EU project is an alliance between numerous minorities (e.g. Walloons, Scots, Basques, Luxemburgers, Belgians) and centralising smoothies in Brussels and Strasbourg.

Reply: How do you know he took the bar bill for expenses? What was the purpose of the trip and the bar visit?

My worry is that once Cameron or Hague define how they might withdraw from some of the EU provisions or hold a referendum on any aspect, the Tories will have the whole weight of the European propaganda machine thrown against them and supporting Labour in the general election. We saw this in Ireland over their referendum where the “antis” stood no chance under the barrage of EU propaganda. No doubt the same will happen here, and at our expense.